Trump on the subject of Old Hickory

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never change, sep7agon. never change


 
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there are many forms of evil, i don't like throwing around the word in a general sense
Would you say it's a difficult word to pin on an individual that has done significant good for their country?
not in jackson's case


 
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never change, sep7agon. never change
talk to a real historian about any subject and you'll be humbled real quick


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im an actual historian so i guarantee i know more about this shit than you do lol
so is everybody else on this fucking forum

aka no you're not
my degree is in history. lol.
oh so that's all there is to it huh
you walk around acting like you're hot shit for years cuz your degree path is english or lit or w/e and i cant say im a historian after studying history exclusively in college for the last 5 years? lol.


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Garlemald did nothing wrong.
not in jackson's case

Would you call the majority of the country at that time evil? He was their hero and still was long after his death.

you walk around acting like you're hot shit for years cuz your degree path is english or lit or w/e and i cant say im a historian after studying history exclusively in college for the last 5 years? lol.

>Still hasn't posted proof


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if i werent drunk id probably be pissed at yall's bullshit but it is what it is


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not in jackson's case

Would you call the majority of the country at that time evil? He was their hero and still was long after his death.

you walk around acting like you're hot shit for years cuz your degree path is english or lit or w/e and i cant say im a historian after studying history exclusively in college for the last 5 years? lol.

>Still hasn't posted proof
dont have the degree yet. im taking things kinda slow because of extreme depression + anxiety ruining my life. but im a senior. dunno why youre so adamant about this shit man. i know we've had disagreements in the past but you're just being petty rn


 
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Would you call the majority of the country at that time evil? He was their hero and still was long after his death.
the ability to look at a dark-skinned man and say "that is an object," or "that is a savage," or "that is my property"--is absolutely unconscionable to me

at no point in my life have i ever thought of somebody as lesser than me because of their culture or skin color

so while "evil" might not be the most fair word to use, it is imperceptible to me how anybody could possibly rationalize slavery or genocide in any way whatsoever

i don't see what the time period has to do with it

it's a loaded question
Last Edit: May 01, 2017, 11:28:51 PM by Verbatim


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Garlemald did nothing wrong.
This is what I was talking about half a year ago over perceived tone on the internet. I'm in a really good mood tonight, however a thread that was supposed to be about Trump being a bumbling idiot about facts is now about perception of good and evil. Out of all the history professors I've had, and all the historians that have chimed in on Jackson, including the interviewer of Trump tonight, they have steered clear of using the term "evil". Because he's not so far on the edge as Hitler. No one denies his serious wrongdoings, but controversial is a more appropriate term.

dont have the degree yet. im taking things kinda slow because of extreme depression + anxiety ruining my life. but im a senior. dunno why youre so adamant about this shit man. i know we've had disagreements in the past but you're just being petty rn


 
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you walk around acting like you're hot shit for years cuz your degree path is english or lit or w/e and i cant say im a historian after studying history exclusively in college for the last 5 years? lol.
i would've responded to this post but i don't speak to drunk people


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Garlemald did nothing wrong.
>I don't reply to drunk posts
>Replies anyway

Verb lmao I love you

i would've responded to this post but i don't speak to drunk people


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This is what I was talking about half a year ago over perceived tone on the internet. I'm in a really good mood tonight, however a thread that was supposed to be about Trump being a bumbling idiot about facts is now about perception of good and evil. Out of all the history professors I've had, and all the historians that have chimed in on Jackson, including the interviewer of Trump tonight, they have steered clear of using the term "evil". Because he's not so far on the edge as Hitler. No one denies his serious wrongdoings, but controversial is a more appropriate term.

dont have the degree yet. im taking things kinda slow because of extreme depression + anxiety ruining my life. but im a senior. dunno why youre so adamant about this shit man. i know we've had disagreements in the past but you're just being petty rn
ive had history professors who would gladly join me in labeling jackson as evil. you can disagree all you want, i cant control your life, but attacking my credentials & all the hard work ive put in to understand something i care deeply about is fucked up. i know aint nobody here actually likes me but damn.


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
if i werent drunk id probably be pissed at yall's bullshit but it is what it is

Ha hey! Me too!

You're still a faggot marxist tho


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you walk around acting like you're hot shit for years cuz your degree path is english or lit or w/e and i cant say im a historian after studying history exclusively in college for the last 5 years? lol.
i would've responded to this post but i don't speak to drunk people
nah you know what youre doing is hypocritical as fuck you just dont give a shit and youre using your hate for drug use as a cover.


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
im an actual historian so i guarantee i know more about this shit than you do lol
so is everybody else on this fucking forum

aka no you're not
my degree is in history. lol.
oh so that's all there is to it huh
you walk around acting like you're hot shit for years cuz your degree path is english or lit or w/e and i cant say im a historian after studying history exclusively in college for the last 5 years? lol.
hey guy
if it makes ya feel any better
I don't care about Verb's pinon on matters of the English language either

But don't tell him okay?


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Garlemald did nothing wrong.
I asked for validation. It's easy to just say you're a professional at X on the internet without needing to back it up. That's why I would never call myself a historian and call myself an armchair one because it's just a hobby for me.

Nor would I get upset at people asking me for validation when I say I know about the film-making process. After all it's what I'm going back to school for and took some classes on art though film when I first went. You say nobody really likes you, I doubt that but maybe if you weren't so aggressive right out of the gate, I have stated many times there's only one user on here I seriously don't like and it's not you, but that doesn't mean certain users aren't difficult from time to time. Even some of my favorite users on here royally piss me off a good amount of the time they're online.

And furthermore, this is about TRUMP.

ive had history professors who would gladly join me in labeling jackson as evil. you can disagree all you want, i cant control your life, but attacking my credentials & all the hard work ive put in to understand something i care deeply about is fucked up. i know aint nobody here actually likes me but damn.
Last Edit: May 01, 2017, 11:34:55 PM by Ian


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
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And furthermore, this is about TRUMP.


oh right, back in topic.
Trump is a bumbling fucking idiot who makes up every press interview as he goes along. I don't really understand why he doesn't just hire Jewish writers for his media appearances like Melania did do her RNC  speech, unless of course the idiot doesn't realize that he's a ZOG plant who exists to serve Isreal's will guided by (((Kushner))) and he actually thinks he won on his own.


 
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Didn't he also ask why the US civil war even happened in the first place and suggest that it could've just been worked out? Because damn, Donny's on a roll.


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If I'm not here, I'm doing Geology. Or I'm asleep. Or hungover. One of those three, anyway.

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TL;DR: Trump doesn't know history and believed president Jackson was still alive during the Civil War.

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Trump: ‘I mean had Andrew Jackson been a little later...

Without the subsequent opinion and taking only his words into account; technically if Jackson was around those 16 years later, that what-if scenario comes into play.

I don't think he didn't know when Jackson was around, he says it right there. A little later.

I can't comment on the Jackson/Civil War topic itself because I know nothing about it, but c'mon now. Trump's a moron, but we don't need to be nitpicking at everything just to further solidify what we already know.


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im an actual historian so i guarantee i know more about this shit than you do lol
so is everybody else on this fucking forum

aka no you're not
my degree is in history. lol.

I get where you're coming from, but a degree isn't really what it takes to hold a title in something. I majored in engineering, but I'm not an engineer, for example. Everyone's subject to their own biases, and I'd strongly doubt that any curriculum is teaching about the evil of Andrew Jackson. With your education though, I would ask if you genuinely believe his opponent (or any other politician) would have done anything radically different. "A product of the times" is a lazy excuse for a lot of things, and I would agree that genocide of First Nations tribes was a literal act of evil, but to shoulder it on one guy and use that to discredit everything else he did is a bit much.
Last Edit: May 02, 2017, 09:24:12 AM by Sovereign Citizen Kane


 
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>my degree is in history so I'm a historian


lol


 
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>my degree is in history so I'm a historian


lol
come on man you still play with building blocks


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> train for years to become something
> somehow it doesnt count?

lol


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im an actual historian so i guarantee i know more about this shit than you do lol
so is everybody else on this fucking forum

aka no you're not
my degree is in history. lol.

I get where you're coming from, but a degree isn't really what it takes to hold a title in something. I majored in engineering, but I'm not an engineer, for example. Everyone's subject to their own biases, and I'd strongly doubt that any curriculum is teaching about the evil of Andrew Jackson. With your education though, I would ask if you genuinely believe his opponent (or any other politician) would have done anything radically different. "A product of the times" is a lazy excuse for a lot of things, and I would agree that genocide of First Nations tribes was a literal act of evil, but to shoulder it on one guy and use that to discredit everything else he did is a bit much.
you may not work in engineering or personally consider yourself to be an engineer but the years of study you underwent for that degree definitely count for something. even if you didnt go as far as others, you still formally pursued the discipline. id consider you to be an engineer based on the knowledge you presumably accrued, and would likely defer to your judgment regarding an engineering-related subject if there werent any others present with more credentials in the discipline. of course, there is more subjective analysis involved in the study of history than in a given STEM field, but you get the idea.

and im not overly fond of historical hypotheticals so ill pass on that question.
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as an aside, i did not want this to blow up the way it did. i made an offhand remark about a person from history towards whom i hold a great deal of enmity and im getting dogpiled by half the board. this is why i dont post much here anymore.
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I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
as an aside, i did not want this to blow up the way it did. i made an offhand remark about a person from history towards whom i hold a great deal of enmity and im getting dogpiled by half the board. this is why i dont post much here anymore.
I see where you're coming from but a lot of your posts are very terse and passive aggressive. Even when it's not directed at a person people can't really find a way to respond to that without stepping it up.


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as an aside, i did not want this to blow up the way it did. i made an offhand remark about a person from history towards whom i hold a great deal of enmity and im getting dogpiled by half the board. this is why i dont post much here anymore.
I see where you're coming from but a lot of your posts are very terse and passive aggressive. Even when it's not directed at a person people can't really find a way to respond to that without stepping it up.
way i saw it for a long time is, either i can make innocuous posts that no one notices or i can be frank about my feelings and actually get some interaction. so in a way im kind of asking for it, yea, but motherfuck, its just so tedious.


 
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"A product of the times" is a lazy excuse for a lot of things, and I would agree that genocide of First Nations tribes was a literal act of evil, but to shoulder it on one guy and use that to discredit everything else he did is a bit much.
i think the trail of tears was a bit much


 
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as an aside, i did not want this to blow up the way it did. i made an offhand remark about a person from history towards whom i hold a great deal of enmity and im getting dogpiled by half the board. this is why i dont post much here anymore.
I see where you're coming from but a lot of your posts are very terse and passive aggressive. Even when it's not directed at a person people can't really find a way to respond to that without stepping it up.
way i saw it for a long time is, either i can make innocuous posts that no one notices or i can be frank about my feelings and actually get some interaction. so in a way im kind of asking for it, yea, but motherfuck, its just so tedious.
I know. I know what you mean. But that's not the way to do it.


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Garlemald did nothing wrong.
"He was very angry at what he saw."

This seems to contradict that though. Sounding like what he meant by "If he was a little later" to be taken as "If he was President a little later" and not necessarily alive a little later.

I can't comment on the Jackson/Civil War topic itself because I know nothing about it, but c'mon now. Trump's a moron, but we don't need to be nitpicking at everything just to further solidify what we already know.