Trump on the subject of Old Hickory

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/01/us/politics/trump-andrew-jackson-fact-check.html

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Trump: ‘I mean had Andrew Jackson been a little later you wouldn’t have had the Civil War. He was a very tough person, but he had a big heart. He was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the Civil War, he said, “There’s no reason for this.” ’

According to Trump, Andrew Jackson was very upset about the Civil War and believed he would've stopped it if he was president.

The problem with this? Andrew Jackson died in 1845, 16 years before the Civil War broke out.

Now let's just say he wasn't being literal, and that this was just a philosophical "What if" on the subject of General Jackson being in charge when The South decided to secede from The Union. Yes, General Jackson was a hard believer in keeping the Union, in regards to threats of secession over tariffs. However he was also a hard slave owner, he appointed Justice Roger Taney who made the infamous Dred Scott Decision.

Point is, it's impossible to gauge what General Jackson would've done in regards to the Civil War and that's the best case scenario for Trump if he wasn't just getting his historical facts wrong.

TL;DR: Trump doesn't know history and believed president Jackson was still alive during the Civil War.


 
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So you're telling me

That I'd be calling Jackson my favorite American president instead of ol' Jeff Davis?


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I am a seeker of knowledge.

But some knowledge is best left beyond my reach....

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It doesn't matter. He's a man with a pair of balls and he'll deserve to be treated with respect!

I remember my first dildo

it was white
Mine was green.


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jackson is one of the most evil motherfuckers to ever preside as president of the USA, and that's a position with a lot of evil motherfuckers.


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One can not deny the tremendous amount negativity General Jackson has caused. However "Evil" is not as black and white as you make it out to be. Jackson is controversial, but he also did a lot of net good for the country and that is also undeniable. He is merely a product of the era he was from, and one should remember that when judging former leaders.

jackson is one of the most evil motherfuckers to ever preside as president of the USA, and that's a position with a lot of evil motherfuckers.


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One can not deny the tremendous amount negativity General Jackson has caused. However "Evil" is not as black and white as you make it out to be. Jackson is controversial, but he also did a lot of net good for the country and that is also undeniable. He is merely a product of the era he was from, and one should remember that when judging former leaders.

jackson is one of the most evil motherfuckers to ever preside as president of the USA, and that's a position with a lot of evil motherfuckers.
a genocidal maniac="merely a product of the era he was from"

lol k


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>Lost his entire family to the revolution
>Forced to fight at a young age
>Political opponents attacked his wife, causing her so much stress it killed her
>Entire country wanted him to do what he did with Indians, it was a net gain for the country even though it was wrong
>Having all that happen to you and not ending up fucked up

If you're going to argue with an armchair historian, make sure you know as much about the subject material as they do. he was a controversial figure, nothing more.

a genocidal maniac="merely a product of the era he was from"

lol k
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As if you honestly give a shit about something that happened over 150 years ago.
it was wise of you to edit this out

you were too late though


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>Lost his entire family to the revolution
>Forced to fight at a young age
>Political opponents attacked his wife, causing her so much stress it killed her
>Entire country wanted him to do what he did with Indians, it was a net gain for the country even though it was wrong
>Having all that happen to you and not ending up fucked up

If you're going to argue with an armchair historian, make sure you know as much about the subject material as they do. he was a controversial figure, nothing more.

a genocidal maniac="merely a product of the era he was from"

lol k
im an actual historian so i guarantee i know more about this shit than you do lol


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I edited it out because it had no bearing on the argument but it still holds true. People whining about someone like Jackson being "downright evil" are the same people that decry Washington just for even owning slaves. They honestly don't give a shit and if they did it would require them to denounce any of the positive aspects of the country we have over such events.

it was wise of you to edit this out

you were too late though


 
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a genocidal maniac="merely a product of the era he was from"

lol k
Aren't you a soviet apologist?


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I know that's factually untrue, because you wouldn't make such a stupid comment like that. But I shouldn't expect much from a Imperial Nip apologist, seems your idea of "Evil" is very warped and needs a reality check.

im an actual historian so i guarantee i know more about this shit than you do lol


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a genocidal maniac="merely a product of the era he was from"

lol k
Aren't you a soviet apologist?
aren't you an actual nazi?


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I know that's factually untrue, because you wouldn't make such a stupid comment like that. But I shouldn't expect much from a Imperial Nip apologist, seems your idea of "Evil" is very warped and needs a reality check.

im an actual historian so i guarantee i know more about this shit than you do lol
dude you thought hitler was left wing lmfao get your revisionist bullshit out of my face


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>Hitler understood the need of unions and as a construction worker (when he initially started Mein Kampf) wanted strong social services under the control of the government for the people in times of need
>This is a far-right wing ideology

Meanwhile, you never did counter the sources I provided nor did you when I proved to you that Imperial Japan had no intention of surrendering even after the first bomb dropped. You're the revisionist here.

EDIT: No wait, you did provide a source for the Nips and it only backed up my claim that they had no intention of surrendering. The Emperor was willing but everyone else (who was controlling the emperor like a puppet) did not.

dude you thought hitler was left wing lmfao get your revisionist bullshit out of my face
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I edited it out because it had no bearing on the argument but it still holds true. People whining about someone like Jackson being "downright evil" are the same people that decry Washington just for even owning slaves. They honestly don't give a shit and if they did it would require them to denounce any of the positive aspects of the country we have over such events.
but i have, and i do

i would trade everything good our country has to prevent us from ever holocausting the native americans


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Tell me Verb, would Washington agree with you?

but i have, and i do

i would trade everything good our country has to prevent us from ever holocausting the native americans


 
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im an actual historian so i guarantee i know more about this shit than you do lol
so is everybody else on this fucking forum

aka no you're not


 
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Tell me Verb, would Washington agree with you?
what do i care


 
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a genocidal maniac="merely a product of the era he was from"

lol k
Aren't you a soviet apologist?
aren't you an actual nazi?
Nah, nazis think that world peace can only happen when whites are left.
I think all the other races of the world can live in harmony if we remove the meddling devious Jews from our world.


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Didn't you call him the best president last night?

what do i care


 
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Didn't you call him the best president last night?
i said he was perhaps the best first president we could've asked for

i still rank him pretty high, but the best president was probably abe, maybe kennedy
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Would you call him evil?

i said he was perhaps the best first president we could've asked for


 
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Would you call him evil?
there are many forms of evil, i don't like throwing around the word in a general sense


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im an actual historian so i guarantee i know more about this shit than you do lol
so is everybody else on this fucking forum

aka no you're not
my degree is in history. lol.


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Garlemald did nothing wrong.
my degree is in history. lol.

Post it.

there are many forms of evil, i don't like throwing around the word in a general sense

Would you say it's a difficult word to pin on an individual that has done significant good for their country? 
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im an actual historian so i guarantee i know more about this shit than you do lol
so is everybody else on this fucking forum

aka no you're not
my degree is in history. lol.
oh so that's all there is to it huh


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
im an actual historian so i guarantee i know more about this shit than you do lol
so is everybody else on this fucking forum

aka no you're not
my degree is in history. lol.
I've known a few history majors in my life.
Wouldn't ever call them historians.