Quote from: clum clum on September 19, 2016, 09:25:47 PM

And I think the opposite is true, conservatives almost exclusively make logical appeals and liberals almost exclusively make emotional appeals that cannot work in reality. But, as I said, I have some leftist views -- the reasonable ones that are logical to have.

I don't know what you both are on about. I see both sides doing the same emotional appeals and things that won't work.

I rephrase -- the right has the most logical ideas, while the left has the most emotional ideas, that, while seemingly great and morally just on paper, always fall short in reality when executed (because they don't account for the fact that humans have differences and aren't perfect beings that are all equal to each other), often with negative consequences e.g. communism.

Both sides have their positives and negatives, because nothing can truly be perfect in a chaotic system.

"The government will slaughter us all since they'll take away our guns!!!" generic conservative

"They're a bunch of racists who want things to go back to the 50's" generic liberal

To say one side does it and the other doesn't, is really stupid. Just look at anything political and you'll see otherwise.

Hope I got those examples right

Both of those people in the examples sound like stupid people, that aren't fit to represent the ideas they stand for.

Quote from: clum clum on September 19, 2016, 09:42:45 PM

(because they don't account for the fact that humans have differences and aren't perfect beings that are all equal to each other)

http://www.maledefender.com/appeal-futility-fallacy/

I fail to see how recognizing that we aren't perfect is a logical fallacy, if anything, it's logic.

Quote from: clum clum on September 19, 2016, 09:53:05 PM

I fail to see how recognizing that we aren't perfect is a logical fallacy, if anything, it's logic.

Because it doesn't preclude us from trying to be as perfect as possible.

Pretending like we literally cannot improve is not logic. It's bullshit disguised as fear disguised as bullshit.

Very emotional and illogical. Like a conservative.

Now you're just putting words in my mouth so I will fit your definition of a conservative. I never said improvement is an impossibility, but we need more time, and that's something we're quickly running out of.

Quote from: clum clum on September 19, 2016, 09:59:03 PM

Now you're just putting words in my mouth so I will fit your definition of a conservative. I never said improvement is an impossibility, but we need more time, and that's something we're quickly running out of.

No, we don't need time, we need resources--and we need worthless conservative faggots to stop hindering progress by claiming that we can't make progress. That humans are just too shitty to do anything remotely humanitarian.

When it's that specific mentality that's holding us back. Because you're emotional and illogical like that.

You see, the problem here is, the vast majority are literally incapable of change to a great degree, and the rational people that want to make the world a better place for everyone are a rarity. Why? Because humans are naturally hedonistic and most people won't engage in altruistic behaviour because they will rationalize their behaviour as being acceptable, since they can't think about the long term or see the bigger picture. That's the real issue and it will bring about our demise.

And time is a resource. No progress will matter if we're going to be extinct in a century (not that we'd be able to make significant progress to utopia in a relatively short time frame like that, unless Moore's law holds up) thanks to rampant ignorance and greed.

"Multiculturalism", an idea created by the left and forwarded by Zionists, has done nothing to improve Europe, in fact it has been a deterrent to their societies. I am on the left when it comes to the conservation of the environment and better treatment of animals (Kosher is an incredibly cruel method of slaughtering animals). I also want to see the conservation of culture and heritage, and it is entirely reasonable to take pride in them in most cases. This seemingly is tied to the right, although I stopped caring too much where my views put me on a political spectrum.   

And yes, I realize I sound like one of those "hurrrr both are wrong I'm independant lol" autists.

Do you also realize that acknowledging this doesn't change the fact?

Quote from: clum clum on September 19, 2016, 10:25:43 PM

And I don't get why you seem to think the right hinders progress.

Because it's in the name. Conserve-ative. The goal of a conservative is to preserve the status quo. They hate progress. Change is scary to them. That's why they're called a conservative.

The modern status quo does need changing. No more emphasis on any form of degeneracy, and a society that recognizes philosophers, scientists, etc. as role models, instead of the current celebraties, who often endorse the hedonism in society. I shouldn't have to say again who has caused this.

Quote from: Verbatim on September 20, 2016, 11:40:27 AM

Quote from: clum clum on September 19, 2016, 10:25:43 PM

And I don't get why you seem to think the right hinders progress.

Because it's in the name. Conserve-ative. The goal of a conservative is to preserve the status quo. They hate progress. Change is scary to them. That's why they're called a conservative.

The modern status quo does need changing. No more emphasis on any form of degeneracy, and a society that recognizes philosophers, scientists, etc. as role models, instead of the current celebraties, who often endorse the hedonism in society. I shouldn't have to say again who has caused this.

I'm convinced that the Jews are behind most, if not all the major problems with the world today by bringing the desert they hail from and hatred wherever they go.

They're an enemy to the entire human race.

Quote from: clum clum on September 20, 2016, 05:52:03 PM

Quote from: Strudel on September 20, 2016, 03:18:10 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on September 20, 2016, 11:40:27 AM

Quote from: clum clum on September 19, 2016, 10:25:43 PM

And I don't get why you seem to think the right hinders progress.

Because it's in the name. Conserve-ative. The goal of a conservative is to preserve the status quo. They hate progress. Change is scary to them. That's why they're called a conservative.

The modern status quo does need changing. No more emphasis on any form of degeneracy, and a society that recognizes philosophers, scientists, etc. as role models, instead of the current celebraties, who often endorse the hedonism in society. I shouldn't have to say again who has caused this.

I'm convinced that the Jews are behind most, if not all the major problems with the world today by bringing the desert they hail from and hatred wherever they go.

They're an enemy to the entire human race.

Why though? I always thought the Jew hating thing was a meme. I don't like Israel's government at all really, but the entire religion and its people seems rather dumb and conspiracy theory tier at best.

I'll dig up some real sources in a bit, but here's a few reasons that lead me to this idea:

Basically Jews began the destruction of Europe (and consequentially western civilization as a whole) a long time ago by creating the Christianity sect of Judaism to gain control over the then barbaric, tribalist Europeans. There have been many attempts to stop them throughout history, and the most recent one occurred during WWII (Naturally, as they were the victors, Hitler is made out to be the literal devil, even though Stalin was worse than him, and dozens of millions of innocent Europeans died, yet all the focus is on the Jews that died during that war).

Jews fund and back things that negatively affect society and hamper our progress, like the #BlackLivesMatter campaign, in order to deepen the hatred between races (to ultimately destroy Europeans, the only worthy adversaries to them -- with Europeans out of the equation, destroyed from the inside, they can assume control). They brainwash us with public education, teaching us to hate ourselves, that we are evil for existing and making us live purposeless, empty lives.

Also, the current refugee crisis in Europe can be attributed to the Jew, as there were talks between Jews of exterminating the German race via breeding them out with other races after the trouble they caused in WWI:


An influential Jew named George Soros, for example, funds stuff like extreme feminist movements (in order to turn European women against European men, to tear us apart from the inside). Funnily enough, when the movement was going to be brought to Israel he backed out of funding it:


It's also common knowledge that they have a huge monopoly over the world's banks and media, so they can influence us as they please.

You go back a year and you told me the Jews were bad, I'd just dismiss you as a conspiracy nut, and that things aren't really as bad as you'd make it out to be. But the evidence is damning and their huge influence on the world can be seen everywhere. I'm sad that more people haven't caught on to this idea. It's probably already too late.

By Kek I hate Jews.

Jews are the best kind of people. Everyone else can eat shit.

This actually made me laugh out loud.