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(rather than trying to help them cure it)
I'm not sure what you classify hormone replacement therapy and such if it isn't helping their condition.

What "cures" should transgender people be seeking, O Wise One?
By cure he means seeking mental help to solve their disorder rather than giving into it. He's basically saying instead of society accepting it we should discourage it so these people get mental help for this disorder.   
they already get professional help for it

oh wait it turns out it's easier to just let them transition then to use shock therapy

and before you get all 'b-but that's not what they do at all!', i only compare your proposal to gay conversion because none of you folks ever suggest possible treatments. 'ew trans people get them away'
So because we don't know how we can cure this disease and say wee need to find a cure and should treat it as a disease, you compare us to the crazy people who think they can convert gays or the psychos who use shock therapy?

If anybody's delegitimizing their arguments here, it's you.
you're the ones saying "no don't do that, fix it instead", when there is no known way to fix it
if there was some pill people could take that just poofed dysphoria away, then I'd be all with you
but there isn't, so that's why it's not dumb that people who suffer like that are allowed to transition
Even the ones who "transition" have a high suicide rate.
i'm sure it has nothing to do with the depression and anxiety issues that come along with some of their conditions, compounded by fuck like you being insufferable assholes to them

Nope, it's not that. Definitely not.


 
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I wasn't really referring to the issue of transgenderism in my OP any more than I was commentating on the deluge of hypocrisy amongst the panel, and pretty much the rest of the media. If you guys want to talk about transgenderism, this thread wasn't intended for that kind of discussion.


 
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except it does
Suicide is a solution to you?

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literally the only difference is you don't see people with dysphoria if they don't try to transition
which i suppose is the point here, you don't want to see them
What?
40% attempt suicide, compared to what though? Are you implying they're better off wallowing in the misery of having to be a gender they feel foreign in?


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(rather than trying to help them cure it)
I'm not sure what you classify hormone replacement therapy and such if it isn't helping their condiditon.

What "cures" should transgender people be seeking, O Wise One?

A cure for their dysphoria, you fuckwit. Yeah, it's easier said than done, which is why it should be studied so it can be adequately treated. But you let political correctness halt the march of progress.


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(rather than trying to help them cure it)
I'm not sure what you classify hormone replacement therapy and such if it isn't helping their condiditon.

What "cures" should transgender people be seeking, O Wise One?

A cure for their dysphoria, you fuckwit. Yeah, it's easier said than done, which is why it should be studied so it can be adequately treated. But you let political correctness halt the march of progress.
i'm not familiar with any "cures" for gender identity disphoria. Can you link some?


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(rather than trying to help them cure it)
I'm not sure what you classify hormone replacement therapy and such if it isn't helping their condition.

What "cures" should transgender people be seeking, O Wise One?
By cure he means seeking mental help to solve their disorder rather than giving into it. He's basically saying instead of society accepting it we should discourage it so these people get mental help for this disorder.   
they already get professional help for it

oh wait it turns out it's easier to just let them transition then to use shock therapy

and before you get all 'b-but that's not what they do at all!', i only compare your proposal to gay conversion because none of you folks ever suggest possible treatments. 'ew trans people get them away'
So because we don't know how we can cure this disease and say wee need to find a cure and should treat it as a disease, you compare us to the crazy people who think they can convert gays or the psychos who use shock therapy?

If anybody's delegitimizing their arguments here, it's you.
you're the ones saying "no don't do that, fix it instead", when there is no known way to fix it
if there was some pill people could take that just poofed dysphoria away, then I'd be all with you
but there isn't, so that's why it's not dumb that people who suffer like that are allowed to transition
Even the ones who "transition" have a high suicide rate.
i'm sure it has nothing to do with the depression and anxiety issues that come along with some of their conditions, compounded by fuck like you being insufferable assholes to them

Nope, it's not that. Definitely not.
We've had this debate before. I've showed you it's the dysphoria that causes their depression, even after their surgery and all the crap they do.

If you're implying they commit suicide because people voice their opinions, you really couldn't be more wrong. It's just a constant attack on free speech from you, and it's getting tiring.
lol attack on free speech.

are you for real right now?

Your right to free speech means the government can't punish you for what you say. Free speech does not guarantee you an audience for you projectile vomit of hateful words, nor does it shield you from public criticism.

I seriously can't tell if you're being serious or just trolling for funzies.


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I wasn't really referring to the issue of transgenderism in my OP any more than I was commentating on the deluge of hypocrisy amongst the panel, and pretty much the rest of the media. If you guys want to talk about transgenderism, this thread wasn't intended for that kind of discussion.
Dont try to fight it, this forum cant help itself when it comes to arguing about trans people.


 
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except it does
Suicide is a solution to you?

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literally the only difference is you don't see people with dysphoria if they don't try to transition
which i suppose is the point here, you don't want to see them
What?
40% attempt suicide, compared to what though? Are you implying they're better off wallowing in the misery of having to be a gender they feel foreign in?
I think we're looking at it from entirely wrong angle. Mostly because we buy into their madness.

I don't pretend to know the answers. But we should sure as hell try to find out.
If it was feasible with our current resources, it would be being looked into.
And I don't think there's anything wrong with a cure to dysphoria, I just don't know why you hate treating it when a cure doesn't exist.


 
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lol attack on free speech.

are you for real right now?

Your right to free speech means the government can't punish you for what you say. Free speech does not guarantee you an audience for you projectile vomit of hateful words, nor does it shield you from public criticism.
Oh please, we all know if it were up to you it's be illegal for people to say these things.
nope, i would never support the restriction of speech. Just because I don't like it doesn't mean you don't have a right to say it.

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Shit, if a politician ever said this it'd be game over for his career.
and rightfully so. social consequences are not the same as the government telling you that you can't do something.

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I seriously can't tell if you're being serious or just trolling for funzies.
>he disagrees so he's a troll

This isn't sovietunion.net
Do you not understand how I might not think you're serious?


 
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and rightfully so. social consequences are not the same as the government telling you that you can't do something.
Because he doesn't agree with indulging in their insanity?
At some point you're going to have to admit that transgenderism is a condition that requires attention, therapy, and a solution that isn't "oh, we'll make you a normal straight person like we think you should have been all along"

It's not insanity. It's not delusion.

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Do you not understand how I might not think you're serious?
I couldn't care less.
You obviously care, since you lose your shit every time I ask you if you're serious or not. Your statements are absurd, sensational, ignorant, and hateful - all the typical trolly shit. So if you're serious, you should either A) find a way to express your position without being an insufferable asshole

or B) not go on the offensive when someone asks if you're serious.


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
At some point you're going to have to admit that transgenderism is a condition that requires attention, therapy, and a solution
Challenger: "Transgenderism is an illness and as such requires treatment, not indulgence".

Max: "HURR DURR, WHY DO YOU HATE TRANSGENDERED PEOPLE AND WANT TO DENY THEM HELP?"

Jesus fucking Christ man.


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If it was feasible with our current resources, it would be being looked into.
Naive as fuck

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And I don't think there's anything wrong with a cure to dysphoria, I just don't know why you hate treating it when a cure doesn't exist.
Except it's not being treated. They're just being pandered to.
We hardly even understand the true nature of it still, and until we do it's going to be hard to find any sort of answer.

It is being treated, trans people still suffering depressive moods and attempting suicide is like people succumbing to illness during chemotherapy and dying. When you choose to enter treatment there is an acknowledgement of risk that it won't work out perfectly, but both patient and professional decide that the risk is less than if the patient remained where they were. Which in the trans case, is incredibly depressed and contemplating suicide.

I seriously don't understand the position of "we're just doing things to make them happy", as if it has any sort of meaning in this conversation. Yes it's hardly a solution and yes it's flawed. That doesn't give any reason to abandon the practice because as of right now it's the only option people with the disorder have other than "fuck you, suck it up, chug these anti-depressants". Everything else you say makes sense to me and I agree, a cure would be nice, dysphoria isn't something good to have. But it only looks like you hate letting people transition because of your own phobias.
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Jesus fuck guys, for once I find myself siding with Max.

Though to a less pretentiously liberal degree.

I mean, come on man, the suicide rate isn't an argument for HRT/SRS not working. What about gay youth? It's the same fucking situation, and it was worse decades ago under an entirely hetero-normative based culture with institutionalized homophobia and discriminatory laws. What's changed between then and now?The suicide rate of strictly gay and lesbian teens has dropped in first world nations directly correlating to legal equality and social acceptance of gays and lesbians.
Holy fuck, I think I'm fucking on to something guys!


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I get the feeling if the situations were reversed the reaction would be very different.
Not really. At least not for me; threatening somebody is never acceptable.

It absolutely is not, especially not in a mere debate, no matter how strongly one feels about the issue. I come into conflict with a lot of others on this site over my personal views but I wouldn't threaten anybody over an argument, no matter how heated. Least of all in person

I think OP has a real point in pointing out the hypocrisy of the social left and the media when it comes to the kind of things. I haven't heard anything about this until now. I can tell you with a great deal of certainty that wouldn't be the case if the roles were reversed.

One last thing: Was I the only one creeped out by how the trans guy was touching Shapiro? If I were Ben I would've told him to get his hands off me. And before Max says something like "what, because she's transgender?" Physical contact such as that between people who are generally unfamiliar with each other is creepy, at least to me, in any circumstance, let alone one in which the one making the contact is threatening physical violence.

*pokes while discussing things maturely*

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(rather than trying to help them cure it)
I'm not sure what you classify hormone replacement therapy and such if it isn't helping their condiditon.

What "cures" should transgender people be seeking, O Wise One?

A cure for their dysphoria, you fuckwit. Yeah, it's easier said than done, which is why it should be studied so it can be adequately treated. But you let political correctness halt the march of progress.
i'm not familiar with any "cures" for gender identity disphoria. Can you link some?

No shit there's no cures, because people like YOU are offended at the idea of looking for one. Maybe if we actually lent time to the idea, one could be found, hmmmmmmm???


 
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(rather than trying to help them cure it)
I'm not sure what you classify hormone replacement therapy and such if it isn't helping their condiditon.

What "cures" should transgender people be seeking, O Wise One?

A cure for their dysphoria, you fuckwit. Yeah, it's easier said than done, which is why it should be studied so it can be adequately treated. But you let political correctness halt the march of progress.
i'm not familiar with any "cures" for gender identity disphoria. Can you link some?

No shit there's no cures, because people like YOU are offended at the idea of looking for one. Maybe if we actually lent time to the idea, one could be found, hmmmmmmm???
How do you change the physical makeup of ones brain without a lobotomy?


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(rather than trying to help them cure it)
I'm not sure what you classify hormone replacement therapy and such if it isn't helping their condiditon.

What "cures" should transgender people be seeking, O Wise One?

A cure for their dysphoria, you fuckwit. Yeah, it's easier said than done, which is why it should be studied so it can be adequately treated. But you let political correctness halt the march of progress.
i'm not familiar with any "cures" for gender identity disphoria. Can you link some?

No shit there's no cures, because people like YOU are offended at the idea of looking for one. Maybe if we actually lent time to the idea, one could be found, hmmmmmmm???
How do you change the physical makeup of ones brain without a lobotomy?

I dunno, I haven't been able to look into it yet without being called intolerant.

Or we could just lobotomize people and keep it simple


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The idea that there is a cure is nothing but conjecture. Your reasoning that doctors aren't looking for a cure because they're "liberal biased" is absolutely nonsensical.

ffs guys this is supposed to be the serious board


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The idea that there is a cure is nothing but conjecture. Your reasoning that doctors aren't looking for a cure because they're "liberal biased" is absolutely nonsensical.

ffs guys this is supposed to be the serious board

It hasn't even been given a chance. Could you imagine the media outcry and vilification if a public study went underway on transgenderism, looking for a cure? Anyone involved would be crucified by the liberal media, the lesbo faggot transgender group, and social justice warriors everywhere. They would cry intolerance and hate, when it would be for understanding and treatment.


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At some point you're going to have to admit that transgenderism is a condition that requires attention, therapy, and a solution
Challenger: "Transgenderism is an illness and as such requires treatment, not indulgence".

Max: "HURR DURR, WHY DO YOU HATE TRANSGENDERED PEOPLE AND WANT TO DENY THEM HELP?"

Jesus fucking Christ man.
Way to miss the fucking point.

Challenger doesn't want to help transgender people handle their situation. He wants to "cure" them and make them "normal" like the rest of us. Perpetuating the idea that transgender people have a mental illness and need to be cured of it is not only fucking wrong, but it makes that person look like a fucking twat.


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At some point you're going to have to admit that transgenderism is a condition that requires attention, therapy, and a solution
Challenger: "Transgenderism is an illness and as such requires treatment, not indulgence".

Max: "HURR DURR, WHY DO YOU HATE TRANSGENDERED PEOPLE AND WANT TO DENY THEM HELP?"

Jesus fucking Christ man.
Way to miss the fucking point.

Challenger doesn't want to help transgender people handle their situation. He wants to "cure" them and make them "normal" like the rest of us. Perpetuating the idea that transgender people have a mental illness and need to be cured of it is not only fucking wrong, but it makes that person look like a fucking twat.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH OH MY FUCKING GOD

MAX THINKS THAT A MENTAL ILLNESS WHICH CAUSES TERRIBLE DYSPHORIA, CONFUSION, AND DEPRESSION IN PEOPLE IS NORMAL

GREAT JOKE MY FRIEND

It was a joke, right? Because nobody could be that vehemently stupid, willingly.


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The idea that there is a cure is nothing but conjecture. Your reasoning that doctors aren't looking for a cure because they're "liberal biased" is absolutely nonsensical.

ffs guys this is supposed to be the serious board

It hasn't even been given a chance. Could you imagine the media outcry and vilification if a public study went underway on transgenderism, looking for a cure? Anyone involved would be crucified by the liberal media, the lesbo faggot transgender group, and social justice warriors everywhere. They would cry intolerance and hate, when it would be for understanding and treatment.
I mean sure. I could see how some people might be offended by scientists looking to fix something that so many people are working hard to get society to accept. It'd be like if scientists started looking for a cure to social conservatism.

It makes more sense to prove that such a thing can be "cured", before looking for said cure. And it's not like there haven't been countless studies on transgender individuals.