Quote from: Naoto on July 25, 2015, 08:30:57 AMI get the feeling if the situations were reversed the reaction would be very different.Not really. At least not for me; threatening somebody is never acceptable.
I get the feeling if the situations were reversed the reaction would be very different.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on July 25, 2015, 08:51:08 AMQuote from: Naoto on July 25, 2015, 08:30:57 AMI get the feeling if the situations were reversed the reaction would be very different.Not really. At least not for me; threatening somebody is never acceptable.I was talking about the rest of the media. If he had told her 'you'll go home in an ambulance' while putting his hands on her it would be a media frenzy.
Quote from: Mad Max on July 25, 2015, 01:41:54 AMGood job being part of the problem we're trying to fix!We're part of the problem because we think it's unacceptable to threaten somebody?
Good job being part of the problem we're trying to fix!
my response is obviously about Jenner's line about respect, not about the actions of this woman.
You'd think with all of the other efforts they've been throug for Cait they'd get her a damn speech therapist lol. It doesn't even sound like she's trying, well maybe she's just so nervous she said fuck it idk.
Quote from: Mad Max on July 25, 2015, 02:13:59 PMmy response is obviously about Jenner's line about respect, not about the actions of this woman.Okay, but you still haven't explained the whole 'you're part of the problem' thing.
Continually and purposefully referring to her as the wrong name and gender is not respect.
Quote from: Mad Max on July 25, 2015, 02:17:43 PMContinually and purposefully referring to her as the wrong name and gender is not respect.I don't think that counts as abuse. . .
Because it isn't abuse, it's fine to do and isn't disrespectful?
Quote from: Mad Max on July 25, 2015, 02:22:03 PMBecause it isn't abuse, it's fine to do and isn't disrespectful?No, but you did kind of lump people who refuse to use the correct pronoun in with abusers, harassers and killers. At least, it seemed as if you were.
Quote from: eggsalad on July 25, 2015, 12:07:21 PMYou'd think with all of the other efforts they've been throug for Cait they'd get her a damn speech therapist lol. It doesn't even sound like she's trying, well maybe she's just so nervous she said fuck it idk. she probably does have one, but it takes a lot of time and practice to get it right, especially when you've had the same adult voice for over half a century.
(rather than trying to help them cure it)
Why is it everybody's so afraid of being disrespectful? Who honestly cares what people like Mad or really anybody else thinks?You go ahead and be a degenerate, and I'll keep on finding you disgusting and voicing my opinion. It's called not being politically correct cowards trying to destroy people being honest because they don't like their opinion and are too sensitive to hear it. I think transgenderism is fucking disgusting and I'll be as fucking disrespectful about it as I want to be. I don't give a fuck who says I'm wrong. Just like you shouldn't give a fuck that I find you disgusting. I'm comfortable in my own skin just like these transgenders should be. WITHOUT our acceptance and support.
The fact that transgender people being praised for carrying through with what is clearly a disorder (rather than trying to help them cure it) tells a lot about society today. Cuddle the wound, but never suture it.
Quote from: SHAWN BEEN on July 25, 2015, 09:20:11 PM (rather than trying to help them cure it) I'm not sure what you classify hormone replacement therapy and such if it isn't helping their condition.What "cures" should transgender people be seeking, O Wise One?
Quote from: Mad Max on July 26, 2015, 04:23:32 AMQuote from: SHAWN BEEN on July 25, 2015, 09:20:11 PM (rather than trying to help them cure it) I'm not sure what you classify hormone replacement therapy and such if it isn't helping their condition.What "cures" should transgender people be seeking, O Wise One?By cure he means seeking mental help to solve their disorder rather than giving into it. He's basically saying instead of society accepting it we should discourage it so these people get mental help for this disorder.
Quote from: eggsalad on July 26, 2015, 07:27:31 AMQuote from: BerzerkCommando on July 26, 2015, 07:22:07 AMQuote from: Mad Max on July 26, 2015, 04:23:32 AMQuote from: SHAWN BEEN on July 25, 2015, 09:20:11 PM (rather than trying to help them cure it) I'm not sure what you classify hormone replacement therapy and such if it isn't helping their condition.What "cures" should transgender people be seeking, O Wise One?By cure he means seeking mental help to solve their disorder rather than giving into it. He's basically saying instead of society accepting it we should discourage it so these people get mental help for this disorder. they already get professional help for itoh wait it turns out it's easier to just let them transition then to use shock therapyand before you get all 'b-but that's not what they do at all!', i only compare your proposal to gay conversion because none of you folks ever suggest possible treatments. 'ew trans people get them away'So because we don't know how we can cure this disease and say wee need to find a cure and should treat it as a disease, you compare us to the crazy people who think they can convert gays or the psychos who use shock therapy?If anybody's delegitimizing their arguments here, it's you.
Quote from: BerzerkCommando on July 26, 2015, 07:22:07 AMQuote from: Mad Max on July 26, 2015, 04:23:32 AMQuote from: SHAWN BEEN on July 25, 2015, 09:20:11 PM (rather than trying to help them cure it) I'm not sure what you classify hormone replacement therapy and such if it isn't helping their condition.What "cures" should transgender people be seeking, O Wise One?By cure he means seeking mental help to solve their disorder rather than giving into it. He's basically saying instead of society accepting it we should discourage it so these people get mental help for this disorder. they already get professional help for itoh wait it turns out it's easier to just let them transition then to use shock therapyand before you get all 'b-but that's not what they do at all!', i only compare your proposal to gay conversion because none of you folks ever suggest possible treatments. 'ew trans people get them away'
So because there is no cure, we shouldn't try to find one? Thank god you're not a doctor or scientist.
Even the ones who "transition" have a high suicide rate.
Quote from: eggsalad on July 26, 2015, 08:12:13 AMQuote from: challengerX on July 26, 2015, 08:09:31 AMSo because there is no cure, we shouldn't try to find one? Thank god you're not a doctor or scientist.never said thatim not the one saying it's bad that trans people are allowed to do something about their situationWhat they do doesn't solve anything.
Quote from: challengerX on July 26, 2015, 08:09:31 AMSo because there is no cure, we shouldn't try to find one? Thank god you're not a doctor or scientist.never said thatim not the one saying it's bad that trans people are allowed to do something about their situation
Most dudes won't touch a m2f once they learn they used to have a dick.
Society still doesn't accept these people and any demographic like that will have a higher suicide rate.