Trans woman Zoe Tur to Ben Shapiro: "You'll go home in an ambulance"

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I get the feeling if the situations were reversed the reaction would be very different.
Not really. At least not for me; threatening somebody is never acceptable.
I was talking about the rest of the media. If he had told her 'you'll go home in an ambulance' while putting his hands on her it would be a media frenzy.


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I get the feeling if the situations were reversed the reaction would be very different.
Not really. At least not for me; threatening somebody is never acceptable.
I was talking about the rest of the media. If he had told her 'you'll go home in an ambulance' while putting his hands on her it would be a media frenzy.

My gosh I can see it now: "Radical Right Wing Activist Threatens to Murder Transgender Woman."
The Young Turks would then proceed to rant incoherently.


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You'd think with all of the other efforts they've been throug for Cait they'd get her a damn speech therapist lol. It doesn't even sound like she's trying, well maybe she's just so nervous she said fuck it idk.


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Good job being part of the problem we're trying to fix!
We're part of the problem because we think it's unacceptable to threaten somebody?
my response is obviously about Jenner's line about respect, not about the actions of this woman.


 
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my response is obviously about Jenner's line about respect, not about the actions of this woman.
Okay, but you still haven't explained the whole 'you're part of the problem' thing.



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You'd think with all of the other efforts they've been throug for Cait they'd get her a damn speech therapist lol. It doesn't even sound like she's trying, well maybe she's just so nervous she said fuck it idk.
she probably does have one, but it takes a lot of time and practice to get it right, especially when you've had the same adult voice for over half a century.


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my response is obviously about Jenner's line about respect, not about the actions of this woman.
Okay, but you still haven't explained the whole 'you're part of the problem' thing.
she's taking about people who harass, abuse, assault, and kill transgender people. We're all humans sharing this planet. We should be treating each other with just a shred a decency. Continually and purposefully referring to her as the wrong name and gender is not respect.


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Continually and purposefully referring to her as the wrong name and gender is not respect.
I don't think that counts as abuse. . .


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Continually and purposefully referring to her as the wrong name and gender is not respect.
I don't think that counts as abuse. . .
...Ok? Because it isn't abuse, it's fine to do and isn't disrespectful?


 
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Because it isn't abuse, it's fine to do and isn't disrespectful?
No, but you did kind of lump people who refuse to use the correct pronoun in with abusers, harassers and killers.

At least, it seemed as if you were.


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Because it isn't abuse, it's fine to do and isn't disrespectful?
No, but you did kind of lump people who refuse to use the correct pronoun in with abusers, harassers and killers.

At least, it seemed as if you were.
I did, because I was counting things that were disrespectful.


 
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You'd think with all of the other efforts they've been throug for Cait they'd get her a damn speech therapist lol. It doesn't even sound like she's trying, well maybe she's just so nervous she said fuck it idk.
she probably does have one, but it takes a lot of time and practice to get it right, especially when you've had the same adult voice for over half a century.
it's been months
either cait's got something getting in the way or they have an awful therapist because it's not supposed to be THAT hard


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The fact that transgender people being praised for carrying through with what is clearly a disorder (rather than trying to help them cure it) tells a lot about society today. Cuddle the wound, but never suture it.

Edit - Oh what the FUCK is that bullshit that Zoe Tur said - "Being transgender is the bravest thing you can do." WHAT THE FUCK, I didn't know being born with a disorder against your will counts as being "brave". I guess if you're born with cystinosis or Harlequin-type ichthyosis is also brave then, right?
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(rather than trying to help them cure it)
I'm not sure what you classify hormone replacement therapy and such if it isn't helping their condiditon.

What "cures" should transgender people be seeking, O Wise One?


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Why is it everybody's so afraid of being disrespectful? Who honestly cares what people like Mad or really anybody else thinks?

You go ahead and be a degenerate, and I'll keep on finding you disgusting and voicing my opinion. It's called not being politically correct cowards trying to destroy people being honest because they don't like their opinion and are too sensitive to hear it.

I think transgenderism is fucking disgusting and I'll be as fucking disrespectful about it as I want to be. I don't give a fuck who says I'm wrong. Just like you shouldn't give a fuck that I find you disgusting. I'm comfortable in my own skin just like these transgenders should be. WITHOUT our acceptance and support.
Not being a shithead to other people for no reason is generally regarded as a decent thing to do. I wouldn't expect you to understand that, though.

You don't have to love the idea of it, but if you don't act like a douche to trans people, let's call that a win.


 
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The fact that transgender people being praised for carrying through with what is clearly a disorder (rather than trying to help them cure it) tells a lot about society today. Cuddle the wound, but never suture it.
did you have like, a really good experience in a straight camp when you were younger or something?
something has to be fueling this 'muh manly shock therapy'


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(rather than trying to help them cure it)
I'm not sure what you classify hormone replacement therapy and such if it isn't helping their condition.

What "cures" should transgender people be seeking, O Wise One?
By cure he means seeking mental help to solve their disorder rather than giving into it. He's basically saying instead of society accepting it we should discourage it so these people get mental help for this disorder.     


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(rather than trying to help them cure it)
I'm not sure what you classify hormone replacement therapy and such if it isn't helping their condition.

What "cures" should transgender people be seeking, O Wise One?
By cure he means seeking mental help to solve their disorder rather than giving into it. He's basically saying instead of society accepting it we should discourage it so these people get mental help for this disorder.   
they already get professional help for it

oh wait it turns out it's easier to just let them transition then to use shock therapy

and before you get all 'b-but that's not what they do at all!', i only compare your proposal to gay conversion because none of you folks ever suggest possible treatments. 'ew trans people get them away'
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(rather than trying to help them cure it)
I'm not sure what you classify hormone replacement therapy and such if it isn't helping their condition.

What "cures" should transgender people be seeking, O Wise One?
By cure he means seeking mental help to solve their disorder rather than giving into it. He's basically saying instead of society accepting it we should discourage it so these people get mental help for this disorder.   
they already get professional help for it

oh wait it turns out it's easier to just let them transition then to use shock therapy

and before you get all 'b-but that's not what they do at all!', i only compare your proposal to gay conversion because none of you folks ever suggest possible treatments. 'ew trans people get them away'
So because we don't know how we can cure this disease and say wee need to find a cure and should treat it as a disease, you compare us to the crazy people who think they can convert gays or the psychos who use shock therapy?

If anybody's delegitimizing their arguments here, it's you.
you're the ones saying "no don't do that, fix it instead", when there is no known way to fix it
if there was some pill people could take that just poofed dysphoria away, then I'd be all with you
but there isn't, so that's why it's not dumb that people who suffer like that are allowed to transition


 
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So because there is no cure, we shouldn't try to find one? Thank god you're not a doctor or scientist.
never said that
im not the one saying it's bad that trans people are allowed to do something about their situation


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
Even the ones who "transition" have a high suicide rate.
The world isn't any more friendly to those who do transition. The christ-like majority of America shuns them. Most dudes won't touch a m2f once they learn they used to have a dick. Trans celebrities are a joke everywhere except in the punk rock scene, it seems. SRS used to be pretty barbaric not too long ago as well. You'll find accounts from the 90's and 00's of disappointment in regards to that leading to further depression and a worse off state of mind than the individual had before surgery.

 Society still doesn't accept these people and any demographic like that will have a higher suicide rate.


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So because there is no cure, we shouldn't try to find one? Thank god you're not a doctor or scientist.
never said that
im not the one saying it's bad that trans people are allowed to do something about their situation
What they do doesn't solve anything.
except it does
literally the only difference is you don't see people with dysphoria if they don't try to transition
which i suppose is the point here, you don't want to see them


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Most dudes won't touch a m2f once they learn they used to have a dick.
Since I'm not interested in guys why would I be interested in a women who is actually male? Since I want to be in a relationship with a girl I want to do so with a real girl.
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Society still doesn't accept these people and any demographic like that will have a higher suicide rate.
Yes the rate would decrease but there would still most likely be a number of them out of depression. Being born fe/male and simply changing your appearance to one are two completely different things which might get to them.


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Why is it everybody's so afraid of being disrespectful? Who honestly cares what people like Mad or really anybody else thinks?

You go ahead and be a degenerate, and I'll keep on finding you disgusting and voicing my opinion. It's called not being politically correct cowards trying to destroy people being honest because they don't like their opinion and are too sensitive to hear it.

I think transgenderism is fucking disgusting and I'll be as fucking disrespectful about it as I want to be. I don't give a fuck who says I'm wrong. Just like you shouldn't give a fuck that I find you disgusting. I'm comfortable in my own skin just like these transgenders should be. WITHOUT our acceptance and support.
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