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We knew the world would not be the same.
A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent.
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita.
Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty
and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says,
"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.."
I suppose we all thought that one way or another.
You guys love the topic, so I figured I'd drop it off here.

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Imagine being a forty-six-year-old woman pregnant with her third child, whose amniocentesis follow-up shows that half her cells carry male chromosomes. Or a seventy-year-old father of three who learns during a hernia repair that he has a uterus. A recent news feature in Nature mentioned these cases as it elaborated on the spectrum of sex biology. People can be sexed in a non-straightforward way and not even be aware of it; in fact, most probably aren’t. As many as 1 person in 100 has some form of “DSD,” a difference/disorder of sex development.

The simple scenario many of us learned in school is that two X chromosomes make someone female, and an X and a Y chromosome make someone male. These are simplistic ways of thinking about what is scientifically very complex. Anatomy, hormones, cells, and chromosomes (not to mention personal identity convictions) are actually not usually aligned with one binary classification.

The Nature feature collects research that has changed the way biologists understand sex. New technologies in DNA sequencing and cell biology are revealing that chromosomal sex is a process, not an assignation.

As quoted in the article, Eric Vilain, MD, PhD, director of the Center for Gender-Based Biology at UCLA, explains that sex determination is a contest between two opposing networks of gene activity. Changes in the activity or amounts of molecules in the networks can sway the embryo towards or away from the sex seemingly spelled out by the chromosomes. “It has been, in a sense, a philosophical change in our way of looking at sex; that it’s a balance.”

What’s more, studies in mice are showing that the balance of sex manifestation can be shifted even after birth; in fact, it is something actively maintained during the mouse’s whole life.

According to the Nature feature, true intersex disorders, such as those from divergent genes or the inability of cellular receptors to respond to hormones, yield conflicting chromosomal and anatomical sex. But these are rare, about 1 in 4,500. For the 1/100 figure, they used a more inclusive definition of DSDs. More than 25 genes that affect sex development have now been identified, and they have a wide range of variations that affect people in subtle ways. Many differences aren’t even noticed until incidental medical encounters, such as in the opening scenarios (the first was probably caused by twin embryos fusing in the woman’s mother’s womb; the second by a hormonal disorder).


Furthermore, scientists now understand that everyone’s body is made up of a patchwork of genetically distinct cells, some of which may have a different sex than the rest. This “mosaicism” can have effects ranging from undetectable to extraordinary, such as “identical” twins of different sexes. An extremely common instance of mosaicism comes from cells passing over the placental barrier during pregnancy. Men often carry female cells from their mothers, and women carry male cells from their sons. Research has shown that these cells remain present for decades, but what effects they have on disease and behavior is an essentially unstudied question.

This is an uneasy way to think about bodies in a social world where sex is still defined in binary terms. Legal frameworks rely on being able to classify someone as male or female, and social status is often determined by the sex on a birth certificate. Parents and doctors of intersex infants face thorny ethical questions about potential surgeries, therapies, and how to raise the child. The implications of better understanding and socially recognizing DSDs are huge.

As our understanding of biology continues to advance, our social, legal, and medical systems will have to evolve as well. Check out the Nature feature for a discussion of these problems, as well as more interesting research into the biology of sex.
http://scopeblog.stanford.edu/2015/02/24/sex-biology-redefined-genes-dont-indicate-binary-sexes/


 
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Okay. So, imagine your genetics like a nicely ordered stack of cards. This nice stack of cards represents everything you are, will be, can do, yada yada. If you get a pink deck of cards, you're a lady. If you get a blue deck, you're a guy.

This was the classical idea about how genetics shape people. When in fact, rather than an ordered deck of cards, people's genes do random fucking shit and throw cards all over the place and then re-stack them together in a deck that's completely fucking random, as demonstrated.

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Okay. So, imagine your genetics like a nicely ordered stack of cards. This nice stack of cards represents everything you are, will be, can do, yada yada. If you get a pink deck of cards, you're a lady. If you get a blue deck, you're a guy.

This was the classical idea about how genetics shape people. When in fact, rather than an ordered deck of cards, people's genes do random fucking shit and throw cards all over the place and then re-stack them together in a deck that's completely fucking random, as demonstrated.

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Well, yeah. Mutations are a thing. That's kind of how evolution happened.


 
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I'm drinking. Laymans terms, please.

Okay. So, imagine your genetics like a nicely ordered stack of cards. This nice stack of cards represents everything you are, will be, can do, yada yada. If you get a pink deck of cards, you're a lady. If you get a blue deck, you're a guy.

This was the classical idea about how genetics shape people. When in fact, rather than an ordered deck of cards, people's genes do random fucking shit and throw cards all over the place and then re-stack them together in a deck that's completely fucking random, as demonstrated.

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Well, yeah. Mutations are a thing. That's kind of how evolution happened.

Well, apparently it counts for your sex or gender as well. It's like a balancing act. When the favor of cards shifts in one predominant direction, then you get that full deck, in most cases. The exceptions being folks who end up with mixed stuff. Aka a mixed deck.


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
I'm drinking. Laymans terms, please.

Okay. So, imagine your genetics like a nicely ordered stack of cards. This nice stack of cards represents everything you are, will be, can do, yada yada. If you get a pink deck of cards, you're a lady. If you get a blue deck, you're a guy.

This was the classical idea about how genetics shape people. When in fact, rather than an ordered deck of cards, people's genes do random fucking shit and throw cards all over the place and then re-stack them together in a deck that's completely fucking random, as demonstrated.

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Well, yeah. Mutations are a thing. That's kind of how evolution happened.

Well, apparently it counts for your sex or gender as well. It's like a balancing act. When the favor of cards shifts in one predominant direction, then you get that full deck, in most cases. The exceptions being folks who end up with mixed stuff. Aka a mixed deck.
Yeah, intersexed people and non-functioning medical hermaphrodites are documented things.

Is that what the OP is trying to tell me?


 
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I'm drinking. Laymans terms, please.

Okay. So, imagine your genetics like a nicely ordered stack of cards. This nice stack of cards represents everything you are, will be, can do, yada yada. If you get a pink deck of cards, you're a lady. If you get a blue deck, you're a guy.

This was the classical idea about how genetics shape people. When in fact, rather than an ordered deck of cards, people's genes do random fucking shit and throw cards all over the place and then re-stack them together in a deck that's completely fucking random, as demonstrated.

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Well, yeah. Mutations are a thing. That's kind of how evolution happened.

Well, apparently it counts for your sex or gender as well. It's like a balancing act. When the favor of cards shifts in one predominant direction, then you get that full deck, in most cases. The exceptions being folks who end up with mixed stuff. Aka a mixed deck.
Yeah, intersexed people and non-functioning medical hermaphrodites are documented things.

Is that what the OP is trying to tell me?

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I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
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We knew the world would not be the same.
A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent.
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita.
Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty
and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says,
"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.."
I suppose we all thought that one way or another.
It's funny how when I post shit like this I either get little to no responses or shit like this, trying to start an argument over the way I posted it or something.

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It's funny how when I post shit like this I either get little to no responses or shit like this, trying to start an argument over the way I posted it or something.

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Discussing sex and gender issues on sep7 is a fool's errand.


 
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It's funny how when I post shit like this I either get little to no responses or shit like this, trying to start an argument over the way I posted it or something.

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Discussing sex and gender issues on sep7 is a fool's errand.

I dunno if he's really discussing an issue though. Not in here at least. More along the lines of a statement. You know how some threads can generate a lot conversation? On the opposite end, there's some that don't generate a lot because all you can really say is "okay."

I don't neccessarily see what I can say other than "okay" to certain scientific posts since they're framed more about stating what they found rather than raising questions. Dunno about any of you but that's how it goes for me.


 
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Guess we could always discuss medical and legal systems evolving as our knowledge of biology grows. But that doesn't get really far since those institutions already have a piss poor understanding and setup when it comes to dealing with folks who blur the lines, and they've repeatedly shown that they're currently almost incapable of doing so.


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His eyebrows sparkling, his white beard hangs down to his chest. The thatched mats, spread outside his chise, spread softly, his splendid attos. He polishes, cross-legged, his makiri, with his eyes completely absorbed.

He is Ainu.

The god of Ainu Mosir, Ae-Oine Kamuy, descendant of Okiku-Rumi, He perishes, a living corpse. The summers day, the white sunlight, unabrushed, ends simply through his breath alone.
Neat. Nature is crazy.


 
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Like Das said, I mean, this isn't really anything new, is it?


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Yup

Genetic disorders exist