Not wearing a seatbelt is a crime. Stop trying to cherry pick laws and what not. If it's true that the law in that place says people have to exit a car then the guy was not following directions, or the law, and also was reaching in the back of a car for something, so of course cops will draw their weapons. A traffic stop IS a probable cause and is a law violation; that lady is stupid

*waits for cam's crying*

Sure. You polietly tell the person to put on their seat belt.
You don't break a fucking glass window in his face and taze him. gosh you're retarded.

Quote from: Kinder Skellington on October 07, 2014, 05:18:57 PM

Not wearing a seatbelt is a crime. Stop trying to cherry pick laws and what not. If it's true that the law in that place says people have to exit a car then the guy was not following directions, or the law, and also was reaching in the back of a car for something, so of course cops will draw their weapons. A traffic stop IS a probable cause and is a law violation; that lady is stupid

*waits for cam's crying*

No, it's not. The crime is the unjust law infringing upon freedoms. You absolutely SHOULD ignore unjust laws. He had no obligation to listen to criminals. Refer to the furth and fifth amendment to the Bill of Rights. They had no authority to draw their firearms and in doing so threatened his life which is a serious crime. The man clearly said he was getting his ticket. A traffic stop is probable cause of nothing, especially when the stop was phony. I have not cried in a long time. The only stupid people that day were the police. Seat belt laws are nothing more than a form of theft to generate revenue for the state.

You can stay mad

Seat belt laws don't infringe on anything. In fact, not wearing a seat belt and dying infringes on the right to life. You're telling ME to refer to the Constitution? That's hilarious because I know it far better, and it's interpretations, better than you ever will. They actually did have authority to draw their weapons because they thought the man was reaching for a gun and said he was getting his ticket after reaching. And a traffic stop is probable cause; probable cause is the concept of having enough evidence to make a case for arrest. Not wearing a seat belt is illegal and the observation of a person not wearing it is probable cause to perform a traffic stop

Quote from: Kinder Skellington on October 07, 2014, 05:32:51 PM

You can stay mad

Seat belt laws don't infringe on anything. In fact, not wearing a seat belt and dying infringes on the right to life. You're telling ME to refer to the Constitution? That's hilarious because I know it far better, and it's interpretations, better than you ever will. They actually did have authority to draw their weapons because they thought the man was reaching for a gun and said he was getting his ticket after reaching. And a traffic stop is probable cause; probable cause is the concept of having enough evidence to make a case for arrest. Not wearing a seat belt is illegal and the observation of a person not wearing it is probable cause to perform a traffic stop

I absolutely will. The problem is not enough people are outraged which is why these thugs keep getting away with murder.

They infringe upon our freedoms to do with our own bodies whatever we so choose. You have every right to take your own life and the government has no authority to prevent you. you obviously don't know much at all about the Constitution. I know the Constitution very well. They had no authority to threaten the man's family with their firearms. The man was NOT a threat, and that is the only time you can draw to defend yourself. Their thoughts are irrelevant. They had no probable cause of any crime. Seat belt laws are illegal and do not apply to free people.

"The policy of the American government is to leave their citizens free, neither restraining nor aiding them in their pursuits."

"A free people claim their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as the gift of their chief magistrate."
-Thomas Jefferson

Guess what? People have children. Not having them in seat belts will result in them dying. That's why those laws exist. I know it better than you do because all you do is cherry pick it and have no understanding interpretations from the Constitution made by the courts. Actually, their thoughts ARE relevant because how can somebody determine if their life is in danger without thinking? Reaching for something can lead a person to think a gun is going to be pulled and thus puling out your weapon to anticipate a possible gun is what you do. They did have probable cause because not wearing a seat belt IS probable cause that a crime is being committed. Seat belt laws are not illegal because they are laws and passed legally; it's a direct contradiction that a law is illegal. Anything that's stated in a state's code/law book is illegal and if it's not in it then it's perfectly legal

Those quotes for one have no relation to a seat belt law and secondly, the Constitution is the law, not what Jefferson says

Continue to make incoherent response due to your botched lobotomy and low Halo Wars K/D, homo sapein

ITT: Cam gets destroyed like always.

So boring.

I thought trolling and baiting wasn't allowed in this forum?

Wow what a surprise, they falsely accused another black man.  Seems like racists love to join the police.