Quote from: Meta Cognition on September 20, 2014, 11:41:20 AMQuote from: RustingFloor on September 20, 2014, 11:40:00 AMQuote from: Kinder_ on September 20, 2014, 11:38:21 AMmilitant atheism I'm not even sure if militant atheism has ever existed.HitlerStalin
Quote from: RustingFloor on September 20, 2014, 11:40:00 AMQuote from: Kinder_ on September 20, 2014, 11:38:21 AMmilitant atheism I'm not even sure if militant atheism has ever existed.
Quote from: Kinder_ on September 20, 2014, 11:38:21 AMmilitant atheism
militant atheism
Quote from: Kinder_ on September 20, 2014, 11:41:47 AMQuote from: Meta Cognition on September 20, 2014, 11:41:20 AMQuote from: RustingFloor on September 20, 2014, 11:40:00 AMQuote from: Kinder_ on September 20, 2014, 11:38:21 AMmilitant atheism I'm not even sure if militant atheism has ever existed.HitlerStalinOh not this shit again
Quote from: RustingFloor on September 20, 2014, 11:42:22 AMQuote from: Kinder_ on September 20, 2014, 11:41:47 AMQuote from: Meta Cognition on September 20, 2014, 11:41:20 AMQuote from: RustingFloor on September 20, 2014, 11:40:00 AMQuote from: Kinder_ on September 20, 2014, 11:38:21 AMmilitant atheism I'm not even sure if militant atheism has ever existed.HitlerStalinOh not this shit againlelKeep defending your Champions of Atheism
Quote from: Kinder_ on September 20, 2014, 11:41:47 AMQuote from: Meta Cognition on September 20, 2014, 11:41:20 AMQuote from: RustingFloor on September 20, 2014, 11:40:00 AMQuote from: Kinder_ on September 20, 2014, 11:38:21 AMmilitant atheism I'm not even sure if militant atheism has ever existed.HitlerStalinYou're actually retarded.
In adulthood, he became disdainful of Christianity but in power was prepared to delay clashes with the churches out of political considerations.[2] Hitler's architect Albert Speer believed he had "no real attachment" to Catholicism.......historians such as Ian Kershaw, Joachim Fest and Alan Bullock agree that Hitler was anti-Christian - a view evidenced by sources such as the Goebbels Diaries, the memoirs of Speer, and the transcripts edited by Martin Bormann contained within Hitler's Table Talk.[4] Goebbels wrote in 1941 that Hitler "hates Christianity, because it has crippled all that is noble in humanity."[5] Many historians have come to the conclusion that Hitler's long term aim was the eradication of Christianity in Germany,[6]....... Hitler repeatedly stated that Nazism was a secular ideology founded on science, which in the long run could not "co-exist with religion".[15]
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Quote from: Kinder_ on September 20, 2014, 11:43:16 AMQuote from: RustingFloor on September 20, 2014, 11:42:22 AMQuote from: Kinder_ on September 20, 2014, 11:41:47 AMQuote from: Meta Cognition on September 20, 2014, 11:41:20 AMQuote from: RustingFloor on September 20, 2014, 11:40:00 AMQuote from: Kinder_ on September 20, 2014, 11:38:21 AMmilitant atheism I'm not even sure if militant atheism has ever existed.HitlerStalinOh not this shit againlelKeep defending your Champions of AtheismI've explained this to you enough times already, I'm not going to waste my time.You know the reality of the matter, you just can't accept it because otherwise you'd have no excuse to whine about oppressive atheists.
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Not to mention, German soldiers often had belt buckles stamped with Gott mit uns.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on September 20, 2014, 11:47:16 AMNot to mention, German soldiers often had belt buckles stamped with Gott mit uns. I'd argue that this was just carrying on the military traditions of the second Reich and since it was basically the soldiers' battle cry in WWI, and had nothing to do with Adolf's beliefs. "Gott mit uns" was also all over Prussian heraldry since the 1700's.
Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on September 20, 2014, 11:57:41 AMQuote from: Meta Cognition on September 20, 2014, 11:47:16 AMNot to mention, German soldiers often had belt buckles stamped with Gott mit uns. I'd argue that this was just carrying on the military traditions of the second Reich and since it was basically the soldiers' battle cry in WWI, and had nothing to do with Adolf's beliefs. "Gott mit uns" was also all over Prussian heraldry since the 1700's.I know, I'm not using it to argue for the religiosity of Hitler or the Nazi Party. The point is, descriptively speaking, religion was still a factor in German social life. Hitler made reference to God as much as he could in his speeches, simply because he was a good politician. And while the Catholics faced terrible persecution under the Nazis, to deny the presence of Christianity in the German social fabric is to deny the German social fabric.
Quote from: Kinder_ on September 20, 2014, 11:41:47 AMHitlerStalinYes, except neither of them were militant because they were atheist.Hitler's religious beliefs are incredibly controversial, although I myself am inclined to consider him an atheist. However, that doesn't change the fact that Nazi ideology is ridden with signs of pagan blood rites and nordic mythology. Not to mention, German soldiers often had belt buckles stamped with Gott mit uns. As for Stalin and the Soviet Union, they were still very religious in the sense that they had instilled, or tried to instill, a sense of worshipfulness towards the State in much the same fashion as Imperial Japan or contemporary North Korea. Both were atheists. Both were militants. The link isn't there, though.
Actually, they were militant.
Remember the whole persecution, attacks, and killings of Jews authorized by Hitler? Jews were the easiest target because nearly everybody hated them or didn't care about them. Starting with Catholics would literally be suicide for Hitler
I'm just discussing Hitler and Stalin,
ONLY reason why Hitler is seen supporting Christianity and Catholicism was for the purpose of political gains and control of the populace. Hitler was smart enough to know that in order to be successful then he would need to appear sympathetic
Political/state worshipping isn't really what this is about. It's about worshiping religions like Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, and those type of religions. There's a difference between the two, especially with one being brainwashing and threats that if you don't worship the leader then you and your entire family will be killed or sent to a prison camp
Quote from: Kinder_ on September 20, 2014, 02:53:03 PMActually, they were militant.Yes, I know. It just wasn't because they were atheists. QuoteRemember the whole persecution, attacks, and killings of Jews authorized by Hitler? Jews were the easiest target because nearly everybody hated them or didn't care about them. Starting with Catholics would literally be suicide for HitlerI know. I didn't say anything that remotely contradicted that. QuoteI'm just discussing Hitler and Stalin, So? I agree that they were atheistic. I'm denying the idea that they were militant because of their atheism. If you want to look for motivations of their militancy, a better direction would be the fact that they were both psychopaths, and the latter was intensely paranoid. QuoteONLY reason why Hitler is seen supporting Christianity and Catholicism was for the purpose of political gains and control of the populace. Hitler was smart enough to know that in order to be successful then he would need to appear sympathetic I know, I literally said that to Das. QuotePolitical/state worshipping isn't really what this is about. It's about worshiping religions like Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, and those type of religions. There's a difference between the two, especially with one being brainwashing and threats that if you don't worship the leader then you and your entire family will be killed or sent to a prison campAs if Hell is any better a fate. This has nothing to do with individual doctrine, and everything to do with the psychological and sociological impact of such a political/social structure. I'm beginning to wonder if you even read anything I said.
I did read what you said. I'm giving evidence that I've read that shows why I think both their atheist and militant attributes are linked as one
The persecution of Christians throughout history is genuinely flabbergasting
