The Inevitable Fall of Capitalism

More Than Mortal · April 23, 2017, 11:45:52 AM

Quote from: Cindy on April 23, 2017, 11:14:00 AM

finding any evidence

>yfw nobody disagrees that automation is disruptive and is a predictable consequence of SBTC

>yfw news articles are not studies

>yfw Stephen hawking is not an economist

What do your sources have anything to do with structural unemployment or the end of capitalism? Seriously, read some fucking real real literature on the issue. There is plenty of actual, empirical work on this by economists; you really have no excuse for relying on non-academic media, or non-economists.

More Than Mortal · April 23, 2017, 11:49:53 AM

-snip-

Mordo · April 23, 2017, 12:02:47 PM

Quote from: Cindy on April 23, 2017, 11:14:00 AM

finding any evidence

Did you even bother to read the links you just posted?

Your first article is literally just half speculation about some professors who suggested that automation has been widening the gap between productivity and job growth without providing any substantive causal link, then the second half goes on to debunk and cast aspersions on that very assertion. "The evidence isn't conclusive" is the one sentence you should probably take away from that article, if you even took anything away at all.

Your second link doesn't even work for me.

I'm also not sure why Stephen Hawking, a physicist, thinks he has any authority to predict economic forecasts.

trash/10 duder

Cindy · April 23, 2017, 12:03:15 PM

>jobs are disappearing because of automation
>"lmao prove it dipshit"
>okay here are articles
>"lmao everyone knows that, but prove your capitalism thing that you weren't even trying to empirically prove in the first place!"

Lordy

Ian · April 23, 2017, 12:04:30 PM

Cindy, why do you hate capitalism so much? Do you not like choosing your favorite cereal at the grocery store?

:^)

More Than Mortal · April 23, 2017, 12:08:23 PM

Quote from: Cindy on April 23, 2017, 12:03:15 PM

>jobs are disappearing because of automation
>"lmao prove it dipshit"
>okay here are articles
>"lmao everyone knows that, but prove your capitalism thing that you weren't even trying to empirically prove in the first place!"

Lordy

>when she ignores your points because she can't counter them

Don't project your intellectual shortcomings on us because you're incapable of defending your arguments.

rC · April 23, 2017, 12:10:03 PM

Quote from: Cindy on April 23, 2017, 12:03:15 PM

>jobs are disappearing because of automation
>"lmao prove it dipshit"
>okay here are articles
>"lmao everyone knows that, but prove your capitalism thing that you weren't even trying to empirically prove in the first place!"

Lordy

the title of your thread is "the inevitable fall of capitalism"

i am karjala takaisin · April 23, 2017, 12:11:58 PM

Quote from: Ian on April 23, 2017, 12:04:30 PM

Cindy, why do you hate capitalism so much? Do you not like choosing your favorite cereal at the grocery store?

:^)

"if you partake in a system/enjoy some aspects of it you're not allowed to criticize it"

Verbatim · April 23, 2017, 12:13:12 PM

Cindy · April 23, 2017, 12:13:28 PM

Quote from: i cum in peace on April 23, 2017, 12:08:23 PM

Quote from: Cindy on April 23, 2017, 12:03:15 PM
>jobs are disappearing because of automation
>"lmao prove it dipshit"
>okay here are articles
>"lmao everyone knows that, but prove your capitalism thing that you weren't even trying to empirically prove in the first place!"

Lordy
>when she ignores your points because she can't counter them

Don't project your intellectual shortcomings on us because you're incapable of defending your arguments.

Fuckin' lord, dude

My initial purpose of this post was "here are my thoughts, what do you guys think?" I thought that was made ABUNDANTLY clear.

But everyone on this board is so concerned with being on top and "winning an argument" that you're all just trying to dissect every individual point and then move the goalposts when I address those points.

Of course I cannot prove that automation of the industry will lead to the fall of capitalism, that's why I made out my conjecture in the original post as "what I think could easily happen" and then ended the post with "but what do you guys think will happen?" I'm not trying to "win" any argument, I'm trying to have conjecture with other people which, again, apparently this board is incapable of because half of the initial attacks were "NO PROOFS ON AUTOMATION GETTING RID OF SOME JOBS NO PROOFS" and then, once I linked le proofs, everyone started acting like I was trying to use those articles to prove that jobs would disappear forever and capitalism would fail in the next five years no matter what.

Not every debate needs to be namecalling and screaming, you know, nor does it need to be me providing airtight defenses for every claim I make when I'm not even claiming anything airtight.

But this response will probably just be brushed up as me making an excuse for my intellectual shortcomings so I'm not sure why I'm bothering.

Cindy · April 23, 2017, 12:14:11 PM

Quote from: rC on April 23, 2017, 12:10:03 PM

Quote from: Cindy on April 23, 2017, 12:03:15 PM
>jobs are disappearing because of automation
>"lmao prove it dipshit"
>okay here are articles
>"lmao everyone knows that, but prove your capitalism thing that you weren't even trying to empirically prove in the first place!"

Lordy
the title of your thread is "the inevitable fall of capitalism"

Yeah because "the maybe fall of capitalism i dunno what do you guys think?" is a less catchy title

Ian · April 23, 2017, 12:15:24 PM

I thought the smug smile was enough to show I was joking but I guess not...

Quote from: extreme mursuiting 1971 on April 23, 2017, 12:11:58 PM

"if you partake in a system/enjoy some aspects of it you're not allowed to criticize it"

Verbatim · April 23, 2017, 12:16:52 PM

Quote from: Cindy on April 23, 2017, 12:14:11 PM

Quote from: rC on April 23, 2017, 12:10:03 PM
Quote from: Cindy on April 23, 2017, 12:03:15 PM
>jobs are disappearing because of automation
>"lmao prove it dipshit"
>okay here are articles
>"lmao everyone knows that, but prove your capitalism thing that you weren't even trying to empirically prove in the first place!"

Lordy
the title of your thread is "the inevitable fall of capitalism"
Yeah because "the maybe fall of capitalism i dunno what do you guys think?" is a less catchy title

it also would've been less audacious

you could've used the word "potential" or something instead of inevitable, and you would have more fruitful discourse

i am karjala takaisin · April 23, 2017, 12:17:24 PM

Quote from: Ian on April 23, 2017, 12:15:24 PM

I thought the smug smile was enough to show I was joking but I guess not...

Quote from: extreme mursuiting 1971 on April 23, 2017, 12:11:58 PM
"if you partake in a system/enjoy some aspects of it you're not allowed to criticize it"

people say some whackass shit on here in earnest so yknow

More Than Mortal · April 23, 2017, 12:18:10 PM

Quote from: Cindy on April 23, 2017, 12:13:28 PM

My initial purpose of this post was "here are my thoughts, what do you guys think?" I thought that was made ABUNDANTLY clear.

Yeah, and we've told you what we think.

What do you want me to say? I'm sorry I want to discuss the topic with an eye to the actual evidence?

You're the one being pissy because we disagree with you.

More Than Mortal · April 23, 2017, 12:19:50 PM

Also, you didn't read my response to you. Your sources don't back up your claims of structural unemployment, leaving aside capitalism as a system.

Cindy · April 23, 2017, 12:21:59 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on April 23, 2017, 12:16:52 PM

it also would've been less audacious

But what's the fun in that? :^)

Verbatim · April 23, 2017, 12:23:06 PM

Quote from: Cindy on April 23, 2017, 12:21:59 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on April 23, 2017, 12:16:52 PM
it also would've been less audacious
But what's the fun in that? :^)

got me there

More Than Mortal · April 23, 2017, 12:29:28 PM

Quote from: Cindy on April 23, 2017, 12:21:59 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on April 23, 2017, 12:16:52 PM
it also would've been less audacious
But what's the fun in that? :^)

hornswoggled again

challengerX · April 23, 2017, 02:30:07 PM

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gats · April 23, 2017, 02:42:12 PM

>Yfw governments collapse with the rise of automation and the world is run by corporations.

JUST

Turkey · April 23, 2017, 03:22:48 PM

Quote from: Cindy on April 23, 2017, 12:03:15 PM

>jobs are disappearing because of automation

Nobody is arguing that specific jobs will not be replaced; there's just no evidence that it affects unemployment or labor force participation rates, because the economy tends to stabilize to a normal unemployment rate of approx. 5%.

i am karjala takaisin · April 23, 2017, 03:24:33 PM

Quote from: gats on April 23, 2017, 02:42:12 PM

>Yfw governments collapse with the rise of automation and the world is run by corporations.

JUST

isnt this the backstory of that syndicate video game

Mega Sceptile · April 23, 2017, 08:42:11 PM

Quote from: extreme mursuiting 1971 on April 23, 2017, 03:24:33 PM

Quote from: gats on April 23, 2017, 02:42:12 PM
>Yfw governments collapse with the rise of automation and the world is run by corporations.

JUST
isnt this the backstory of that syndicate video game

It's the backstory of every corporate dystopian novel and game ever, even pen and paper rpgs like shadowrun have that plot.

🍁 Aria 🔮 · April 23, 2017, 09:18:53 PM

Quote from: gats on April 23, 2017, 02:42:12 PM

>Yfw governments collapse with the rise of automation and the world is run by corporations.

JUST

tfw become a Runner for the NASE landmass-based corporation, stealing information and running detail for execs and POIs

I can dig it

Assassin 11D7 · April 23, 2017, 11:01:42 PM

lmao x2

(((Fun_Timer))) · April 23, 2017, 11:31:34 PM

Quote from: Cindy on April 23, 2017, 12:21:59 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on April 23, 2017, 12:16:52 PM
it also would've been less audacious
But what's the fun in that? :^)

I was going to admonish you for unveiling the ruse, but considering the crowd, I think it might be justified

Verbatim · April 23, 2017, 11:34:25 PM

Quote from: Epsira Idari on April 23, 2017, 11:31:34 PM

Quote from: Cindy on April 23, 2017, 12:21:59 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on April 23, 2017, 12:16:52 PM
it also would've been less audacious
But what's the fun in that? :^)
I was going to admonish you for unveiling the ruse, but considering the crowd, I think it might be justified

i thought she just meant that the title was clickbait, not that the entire thread was a ruse

(((Fun_Timer))) · April 23, 2017, 11:40:37 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on April 23, 2017, 11:34:25 PM

Quote from: Epsira Idari on April 23, 2017, 11:31:34 PM
Quote from: Cindy on April 23, 2017, 12:21:59 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on April 23, 2017, 12:16:52 PM
it also would've been less audacious
But what's the fun in that? :^)
I was going to admonish you for unveiling the ruse, but considering the crowd, I think it might be justified
i thought she just meant that the title was clickbait, not that the entire thread was a ruse

Oh. Considering the apparent outlandishness of her argument and unilateral counterargument I thought the topic made the most sense as a ruse.

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