Physics experts please help explain why this wouldn't work

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First of all, the pressure differential that you have as a presupposition doesn't exist in this model. The air that would be pressing down on the water, causing it to move through the pipe, would be blown out both side of the pipe. When you open the purple hatch, air would evacuate from both the right and left sides, and there would be no pressure differential.

Even if there somehow was a pressure differential, you're still losing energy from spinning the orange blades on the turbines (I'm assuming this is like a vertical hydroelectric plant).

Conservation of energy: to generate force on the propellers, the water is losing some energy, and that energy loss is directly proportional to the amount of energy generated on the turbines. If the orange rotors are frictionless, then no energy is expended by the water but no energy is generated by the turbines.


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But if the water is sucked upwards by the vacuum and then the door is closed, wouldn't that be like halfway-starting a siphon and then placing your tongue over the hole? The water would just stay put until you return pressure, or something....

I'm not a physics buff. I just know what I know though practical mechanical work, so I could be entirely wrong about the water even being able to be drawn upwards such a distance.


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But if the water is sucked upwards by the vacuum and then the door is closed, wouldn't that be like halfway-starting a siphon and then placing your tongue over the hole? The water would just stay put until you return pressure, or something....

I'm not a physics buff. I just know what I know though practical mechanical work, so I could be entirely wrong about the water even being able to be drawn upwards such a distance.

Yeah, in that case it would still be moving the turbines on one of the sides, but the water would fall back down the same side. It would create a column that would collapse back down when the hatch is shut. The other side would just store the air, though I'm skeptical how much water one atmosphere of air would be able to move.


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
But if the water is sucked upwards by the vacuum and then the door is closed, wouldn't that be like halfway-starting a siphon and then placing your tongue over the hole? The water would just stay put until you return pressure, or something....

I'm not a physics buff. I just know what I know though practical mechanical work, so I could be entirely wrong about the water even being able to be drawn upwards such a distance.

Yeah, in that case it would still be moving the turbines on one of the sides, but the water would fall back down the same side. It would create a column that would collapse back down when the hatch is shut. The other side would just store the air, though I'm skeptical how much water one atmosphere of air would be able to move.
I don' t think he's trying to use air to push anything, but rather use timed expose to outer space to create some kind of vacuum water pump.


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But if the water is sucked upwards by the vacuum and then the door is closed, wouldn't that be like halfway-starting a siphon and then placing your tongue over the hole? The water would just stay put until you return pressure, or something....

I'm not a physics buff. I just know what I know though practical mechanical work, so I could be entirely wrong about the water even being able to be drawn upwards such a distance.

Yeah, in that case it would still be moving the turbines on one of the sides, but the water would fall back down the same side. It would create a column that would collapse back down when the hatch is shut. The other side would just store the air, though I'm skeptical how much water one atmosphere of air would be able to move.
I don' t think he's trying to use air to push anything, but rather use timed expose to outer space to create some kind of vacuum water pump.

The vacuum creates a pressure differential with the air on one side pushing the water through the other side. Simply opening the hatch isn't going to cause the water to do anything except slosh around when the air blows out.


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
But if the water is sucked upwards by the vacuum and then the door is closed, wouldn't that be like halfway-starting a siphon and then placing your tongue over the hole? The water would just stay put until you return pressure, or something....

I'm not a physics buff. I just know what I know though practical mechanical work, so I could be entirely wrong about the water even being able to be drawn upwards such a distance.

Yeah, in that case it would still be moving the turbines on one of the sides, but the water would fall back down the same side. It would create a column that would collapse back down when the hatch is shut. The other side would just store the air, though I'm skeptical how much water one atmosphere of air would be able to move.
I don' t think he's trying to use air to push anything, but rather use timed expose to outer space to create some kind of vacuum water pump.

The vacuum creates a pressure differential with the air on one side pushing the water through the other side. Simply opening the hatch isn't going to cause the water to do anything except slosh around when the air blows out.
Okay, so now, let's say we've got our air side compressed so that we're sure the water will travel high enough on our test run. When the door is shut and the water descends (if it does descend), won't the air just push though it and end up on the wrong side now, meaning we'd have to essentially reload our machine?


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The water wouldn't move just by opening the hatch. Think about drinking through a straw. When you suck ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) on the straw you create a lower pressure area inside the straw. Outside the straw basically a column of air(the atmosphere) is pushing down on the liquid over a greater surface area than the straw covers. A property of fluids is that they tend to flow from areas of higher pressure to areas of lower pressure. For the water to move there needs to be a pressure differential as Turkey stated. For that the water to move you'd need to create low pressure in the tank and have a way for water to flow into it from an outside source of larger surface area.

I don't even think the air in side the container would react all that much. I mean the earth does a pretty great job of holding it what difference would building a container around it and them opening a hatch make? You'd have to physically pump the air out of the container and then you'd have to pump air back in, which requires work.


Turkey, am I completely wrong headed here?
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I don't even think the air in side the container would react all that much. I mean the earth does a pretty great job of holding it what difference would building a container around it and them opening a hatch make? You'd have to physically pump the air out of the container and then you'd have to pump air back in, which requires work

Turkey, am I completely wrong headed here?


No, I didn't even think of this. The pressure required to shoot a column of air, let along a column of water, out of the atmosphere would be insane. The pump itself would nullify any energy generated by the turbines.


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I don't even think the air in side the container would react all that much. I mean the earth does a pretty great job of holding it what difference would building a container around it and them opening a hatch make? You'd have to physically pump the air out of the container and then you'd have to pump air back in, which requires work

Turkey, am I completely wrong headed here?


No, I didn't even think of this. The pressure required to shoot a column of air, let along a column of water, out of the atmosphere would be insane. The pump itself would nullify any energy generated by the turbines.
If you were able to create enough of a pressure differential to that it would probably just evaporate too.


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I don't even think the air in side the container would react all that much. I mean the earth does a pretty great job of holding it what difference would building a container around it and them opening a hatch make? You'd have to physically pump the air out of the container and then you'd have to pump air back in, which requires work

Turkey, am I completely wrong headed here?


No, I didn't even think of this. The pressure required to shoot a column of air, let along a column of water, out of the atmosphere would be insane. The pump itself would nullify any energy generated by the turbines.
If you were able to create enough of a pressure differential to that it would probably just evaporate too.

Yeah, at that point you'd just have a superheated steam turbine. But that's still ignoring all the other flaws in the system.