The Christianity of Donald Trump

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http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2016/october-web-only/speak-truth-to-trump.html?start=2
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This past week, the latest (though surely not last) revelations from Trump’s past have caused many evangelical leaders to reconsider. This is heartening, but it comes awfully late. What Trump is, everyone has known and has been able to see for decades, let alone the last few months. The revelations of the past week of his vile and crude boasting about sexual conquest—indeed, sexual assault—might have been shocking, but they should have surprised no one.

Indeed, there is hardly any public person in America today who has more exemplified the “earthly nature” (“flesh” in the King James and the literal Greek) that Paul urges the Colossians to shed: “sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires, and greed, which is idolatry” (3:5). This is an incredibly apt summary of Trump’s life to date. Idolatry, greed, and sexual immorality are intertwined in individual lives and whole societies. Sexuality is designed to be properly ordered within marriage, a relationship marked by covenant faithfulness and profound self-giving and sacrifice. To indulge in sexual immorality is to make oneself and one’s desires an idol. That Trump has been, his whole adult life, an idolater of this sort, and a singularly unrepentant one, should have been clear to everyone.

And therefore it is completely consistent that Trump is an idolater in many other ways. He has given no evidence of humility or dependence on others, let alone on God his Maker and Judge. He wantonly celebrates strongmen and takes every opportunity to humiliate and demean the vulnerable. He shows no curiosity or capacity to learn. He is, in short, the very embodiment of what the Bible calls a fool.

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Most Christians who support Trump have done so with reluctant strategic calculation, largely based on the president’s power to appoint members of the Supreme Court. Important issues are indeed at stake, including the right of Christians and adherents of other religions to uphold their vision of sexual integrity and marriage even if they are in the cultural minority.

But there is a point at which strategy becomes its own form of idolatry—an attempt to manipulate the levers of history in favor of the causes we support. Strategy becomes idolatry, for ancient Israel and for us today, when we make alliances with those who seem to offer strength—the chariots of Egypt, the vassal kings of Rome—at the expense of our dependence on God who judges all nations, and in defiance of God’s manifest concern for the stranger, the widow, the orphan, and the oppressed. Strategy becomes idolatry when we betray our deepest values in pursuit of earthly influence. And because such strategy requires capitulating to idols and princes and denying the true God, it ultimately always fails.

Enthusiasm for a candidate like Trump gives our neighbors ample reason to doubt that we believe Jesus is Lord. They see that some of us are so self-interested, and so self-protective, that we will ally ourselves with someone who violates all that is sacred to us—in hope, almost certainly a vain hope given his mendacity and record of betrayal, that his rule will save us.
A solid article that anyone voting from an ethical standard can relate to, especially if they are considering voting for Trump to toe the party line. Personally, I can't accept the benefits of Supreme Court nominations and potentially superior foreign policy over supporting such a contemptible person that seems completely unprepared to lead and represent the country.
Last Edit: November 02, 2016, 07:41:43 PM by TurkTurkBangBang


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I seem to remember you saying you were voting for him (I may be thinking of someone else).  If so, what was the final straw?


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I seem to remember you saying you were voting for him (I may be thinking of someone else).  If so, what was the final straw?

No, I did make a typo in the stickied election thread which I corrected, but I have never backed Trump. The final straw would be that's he's a regressive democrat without a respectable credential to his name and an obvious incompetence for the position.


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A lot of religious conservatives I know were very anti Trump early on but now are pretty silent.

Genuinely curious why you think his foreign policy would be superior.


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A lot of religious conservatives I know were very anti Trump early on but now are pretty silent.

Genuinely curious why you think his foreign policy would be superior.

I'm generally more hawkish but Hillary's antagonism of Russia is worrying, and she's been almost silent about China. Factor in her commitment to continue Obama's policies, and I can't really get behind her. Of course, I believe Clinton would be much better politician, leader, and representative of our country compared to Trump -- I'm simply talking about policy.


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We knew the world would not be the same.
A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent.
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita.
Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty
and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says,
"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.."
I suppose we all thought that one way or another.
Hillary Clinton's foreign policy as SS involved aiding groups who violently repress and kill Christians. Her foreign policy as President would likely be even worse for Christian minorities worldwide, and could lead us into open conflict with Russia, a country with a long Christian heritage that is making a resurgence. She would be using my tax dollars to kill my coreligionists. That is, to me, entirely unacceptable. Not to mention her position on abortion.

It is for this reason that I, as a Christian, feel compelled to vote in the manner mostly likely to undermine Clinton.

Bantz aside, this is actually the primary reason I voted the way I did. There's not a whole lot I'm with Trump on besides foreign policy and trade.
What makes you think that the US should feel at all responsibile for Christians in 3rd world countries?


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The early church forbid married couples who had sex the previous night from entering church that day so unless the evangelical faggots are practicing that bit of doctrine I don't give a shit about their purity signalling.


 
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You will find out who you are not a thousand times, before you ever discover who you are. I hope you find peace in yourself and learn to love instead of hate.
Both Trump and Hillary want to arm (((Kurds))) they can both go to hell.


 
 
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