(Yes I know the website is called liberalamerica, but this is one of two locations I can find this kind of story right now.  It does, however, link to the bill on Cruz's own website:

http://www.liberalamerica.org/2015/01/26/ted-cruz-proposes-bill-to-strip-5th-and-6th-amendment-out-of-us-constitution/

Cruz has proposed a new bill, the Expatriate Terrorist Act (Senate Bill 247), which strips away the rights of any American citizen who runs off to join or in support of any terrorist organization. It would immediately strip the citizenship of anyone in support of an organization that the United States deems a “terrorist organization.”

There is a problem here, however…

This is in violation of the US Constitution, which Cruz has often referred to himself as a fan and follower of. His bill, which was originally written by the ineffable jingoistic idiot Michelle Bachmann (who also happens to be a Dominionist) violates these particular Amendments:

Amendment V:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger;

Amendment VI:

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.

Here's the link to the bill

http://www.cruz.senate.gov/files/documents/Bills/20150123_Expatriate_Terrorist_Act_of_2015.pdf

Even if Ted Cruz believes that this can stop terrorist threats, this bill could be heavily exploited since it appears to be so fucking flawed.  Not to mention, even if you do run off to a terrorist organization you're still a United States citizen and still have access to your rights.

Though I probably would feel differently if you completely 100% renounced your ties to the United States and declared yourself a foreign citizen.  Not totally sure on how I'd feel in those types of situations.

What is this, 2001?

Can't someone who runs off and contributes to a terrorist organization be persecuted for terrorism-related crimes, or crimes of war, depending on the various cases? What's the point of taking the citizenship from someone that you will put on the chair or in Guantanamo anyway?

It's not that simple; we're having problems all across Europe (well, Britain, France and Germany are at least, I don't know about Greece) with stopping people who've been to Syria and Iraq returning.

(Yes I know the website is called liberalamerica, but this is one of two locations I can find this kind of story right now.  It does, however, link to the bill on Cruz's own website:

http://www.liberalamerica.org/2015/01/26/ted-cruz-proposes-bill-to-strip-5th-and-6th-amendment-out-of-us-constitution/

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Cruz has proposed a new bill, the Expatriate Terrorist Act (Senate Bill 247), which strips away the rights of any American citizen who runs off to join or in support of any terrorist organization. It would immediately strip the citizenship of anyone in support of an organization that the United States deems a “terrorist organization.”

There is a problem here, however…

This is in violation of the US Constitution, which Cruz has often referred to himself as a fan and follower of. His bill, which was originally written by the ineffable jingoistic idiot Michelle Bachmann (who also happens to be a Dominionist) violates these particular Amendments:

Amendment V:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger;

Amendment VI:

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.

Here's the link to the bill

http://www.cruz.senate.gov/files/documents/Bills/20150123_Expatriate_Terrorist_Act_of_2015.pdf

Even if Ted Cruz believes that this can stop terrorist threats, this bill could be heavily exploited since it appears to be so fucking flawed.  Not to mention, even if you do run off to a terrorist organization you're still a United States citizen and still have access to your rights.

Though I probably would feel differently if you completely 100% renounced your ties to the United States and declared yourself a foreign citizen.  Not totally sure on how I'd feel in those types of situations.

you're a idiot
Only liberals would have a problem with this
Problem is you aren't a American if you do that

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There is a problem here, however…

This is in violation of the US Constitution, which Cruz has often referred to himself as a fan and follower of.

Well of course. He thinks Obama was born in Kenya and thus shouldn't be President because he's not a natural-born citizen. Meanwhile, Ted has legal documentation proving that he was born in Canada. He doesn't even meet his own requirements for the presidency, but that hasn't stopped him.

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you're a idiot

kek
[/quote]I'm talking about leaving for a terrorist group. What the hell are you talking about?

Quote from: Voro 'Cinotai on January 31, 2015, 11:07:12 PM

(Yes I know the website is called liberalamerica, but this is one of two locations I can find this kind of story right now.  It does, however, link to the bill on Cruz's own website:

http://www.liberalamerica.org/2015/01/26/ted-cruz-proposes-bill-to-strip-5th-and-6th-amendment-out-of-us-constitution/

Quote

Cruz has proposed a new bill, the Expatriate Terrorist Act (Senate Bill 247), which strips away the rights of any American citizen who runs off to join or in support of any terrorist organization. It would immediately strip the citizenship of anyone in support of an organization that the United States deems a “terrorist organization.”

There is a problem here, however…

This is in violation of the US Constitution, which Cruz has often referred to himself as a fan and follower of. His bill, which was originally written by the ineffable jingoistic idiot Michelle Bachmann (who also happens to be a Dominionist) violates these particular Amendments:

Amendment V:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger;

Amendment VI:

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.

Here's the link to the bill

http://www.cruz.senate.gov/files/documents/Bills/20150123_Expatriate_Terrorist_Act_of_2015.pdf

Even if Ted Cruz believes that this can stop terrorist threats, this bill could be heavily exploited since it appears to be so fucking flawed.  Not to mention, even if you do run off to a terrorist organization you're still a United States citizen and still have access to your rights.

Though I probably would feel differently if you completely 100% renounced your ties to the United States and declared yourself a foreign citizen.  Not totally sure on how I'd feel in those types of situations.

you're a idiot
Only liberals would have a problem with this
Problem is you aren't a American if you do that

Do you have anything to say about this topic?   If not, then please leave.

Quote from: Voro 'Cinotai on February 09, 2015, 05:06:54 PM

Quote from: Xboxdotcom on February 09, 2015, 08:51:29 AM

Quote from: Voro 'Cinotai on January 31, 2015, 11:07:12 PM

(Yes I know the website is called liberalamerica, but this is one of two locations I can find this kind of story right now.  It does, however, link to the bill on Cruz's own website:

http://www.liberalamerica.org/2015/01/26/ted-cruz-proposes-bill-to-strip-5th-and-6th-amendment-out-of-us-constitution/

Quote

Cruz has proposed a new bill, the Expatriate Terrorist Act (Senate Bill 247), which strips away the rights of any American citizen who runs off to join or in support of any terrorist organization. It would immediately strip the citizenship of anyone in support of an organization that the United States deems a “terrorist organization.”

There is a problem here, however…

This is in violation of the US Constitution, which Cruz has often referred to himself as a fan and follower of. His bill, which was originally written by the ineffable jingoistic idiot Michelle Bachmann (who also happens to be a Dominionist) violates these particular Amendments:

Amendment V:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger;

Amendment VI:

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.

Here's the link to the bill

http://www.cruz.senate.gov/files/documents/Bills/20150123_Expatriate_Terrorist_Act_of_2015.pdf

Even if Ted Cruz believes that this can stop terrorist threats, this bill could be heavily exploited since it appears to be so fucking flawed.  Not to mention, even if you do run off to a terrorist organization you're still a United States citizen and still have access to your rights.

Though I probably would feel differently if you completely 100% renounced your ties to the United States and declared yourself a foreign citizen.  Not totally sure on how I'd feel in those types of situations.

you're a idiot
Only liberals would have a problem with this
Problem is you aren't a American if you do that

Do you have anything to say about this topic?   If not, then please leave.

kek
Who are you ?

You've already been asked to leave if you are just going to troll and derail,  so I'll let the mods handle this.

"It would immediately strip the citizenship of anyone in support of an organization that the United States deems a “terrorist organization.”

So if I support what Anonymous does.. I lose all my rights?

Or if I even supported my state's militia because they actually provide decent community service?

Well fuck, give me Liberty or give me Death then