Quote from: Lemy the Lizerd on December 19, 2014, 10:42:23 PM

Quote from: LC on December 19, 2014, 10:35:53 PM

So because Hitler was brought up I'd just like to point out that gun rights were greatly expanded under his regime.

Gun rights don't really correlate to any form of government. So don't attempt any if gun rights are [ x ] [ y ] will happen arguments.

I would argue that a government will have to be much more careful with domestic policy when the populace is armed. Kind of an equalizer. You piss us off enough, we go Lexington and Concord on you.

If the government gave a shit the threat of your average armed citizen it wouldn't be doing half the shit it does now.

The average American is no threat to the US government. They're too apathetic towards politics and even the armed ones are all bark and no bite.

Quote from: LC on December 19, 2014, 10:47:19 PM

Quote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 19, 2014, 10:39:19 PM

Quote from: LC on December 19, 2014, 10:35:53 PM

So I because Hitler was brought up I'd just like to point out that gun rights were greatly expanded under his regime.

Except for Jews

Gun ownership under Hitler is anything but fair to say the least. The only thing improved was gun regulations only applied to handguns and completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as  the possession of ammunition included

There were many in Germany who could have used their expanded gun rights to attempt a revolution. That never happened though and the fact remains that gun rights were greatly expanded under him. If you were part of the SS you got more rights than the average German, but the average German still benefitted greatly in the gun rights department.

Guns for Jews wouldn't have changed the end result of the holocaust in all likelihood.

Once again, gun rights play no part in determining what a government ends up being or doing. The people residing in the country/state/et cetera is what determined that.

And there were many in Germany that had great devotion to the Nazis. What people don't remember is that Hitler was VOTED to power, meaning the people wanted him to be Chancellor as they to felt Jews were responsible for the economic problems. But these same people that supported Hitler were also Catholic, as the population of Germany was largely Catholic. Hitler had plans to eradicate all religions from Germany but had to start with the Jews because for one nobody liked them and secondly, had no way to properly defend themselves.

As I told Nick, the Nazis saw them as superior and if the lowest of life, AKA Jews, managed to kill a Aryan then it would show the false propaganda Hitler had spread. His unquestionable support would have been challenged

How can the people do anything if they don't wield the proper tools to assert themselves? China is still under it's same government, despite protests back in the 70s. America, France, and Russia on the other hand made government changes because of access to guns

Quote from: Lemy the Lizerd on December 19, 2014, 11:29:59 PM

Quote from: LC on December 19, 2014, 10:51:28 PM

Quote from: Lemy the Lizerd on December 19, 2014, 10:42:23 PM

Quote from: LC on December 19, 2014, 10:35:53 PM

So because Hitler was brought up I'd just like to point out that gun rights were greatly expanded under his regime.

Gun rights don't really correlate to any form of government. So don't attempt any if gun rights are [ x ] [ y ] will happen arguments.

I would argue that a government will have to be much more careful with domestic policy when the populace is armed. Kind of an equalizer. You piss us off enough, we go Lexington and Concord on you.

If the government gave a shit the threat of your average armed citizen it wouldn't be doing half the shit it does now.

The average American is no threat to the US government. They're too apathetic towards politics and even the armed ones are all bark and no bite.

Right, but if you took a whole bunch of the average ones, and put them together, it would be a pretty fucking big deal.

See the part where I said all bark and no bite. When confronted with any real opposition these people would run away with their tails between their legs. Just take a look at all these "militia" groups that sit around talking about how they're going to overthrow the government and posture for the media but never actually do anything.

If we're going to handicap the Second Amendment, then we should handicap ALL Amendments

Hitler was VOTED to power,

Yup, because if you can't have a rifle with a 30 round mag we should just bring slavery back and remove free speech.

Here's the thing, no weapon ensures your freedom. In fact, the way the world is right now, tyranny is too subtle to actually get people riled up about to shoot up the government. Corporations, banks, and politicians get stronger and richer everyday, and all people like you seem to care about is how big if a gun you can buy to compensate for your tiny dick or some shit.

You guys want change? Play the game right. Get into banking, become a politician, get in the corporate world. Educate yourself on what really goes on behind the scenes. We need to revolt, no doubt about it. But we need to do it just as subtly as they take away our freedom and our money. You don't kill these people, you replace them and change the way things work when you have the power and the money.

What people don't remember is that Hitler was VOTED to power, meaning the people wanted him to be Chancellor as they to felt Jews were responsible for the economic problems. But these same people that supported Hitler were also Catholic, as the population of Germany was largely Catholic. Hitler had plans to eradicate all religions from Germany but had to start with the Jews because for one nobody liked them and secondly, had no way to properly defend themselves.

Hey now, I'm from California and I love guns just as much as any other American.

Too bad I'm a gun virgin

Quote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 19, 2014, 10:53:15 PM

Quote from: LC on December 19, 2014, 10:47:19 PM

Quote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 19, 2014, 10:39:19 PM

Quote from: LC on December 19, 2014, 10:35:53 PM

So I because Hitler was brought up I'd just like to point out that gun rights were greatly expanded under his regime.

Except for Jews

Gun ownership under Hitler is anything but fair to say the least. The only thing improved was gun regulations only applied to handguns and completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as  the possession of ammunition included

There were many in Germany who could have used their expanded gun rights to attempt a revolution. That never happened though and the fact remains that gun rights were greatly expanded under him. If you were part of the SS you got more rights than the average German, but the average German still benefitted greatly in the gun rights department.

Guns for Jews wouldn't have changed the end result of the holocaust in all likelihood.

Once again, gun rights play no part in determining what a government ends up being or doing. The people residing in the country/state/et cetera is what determined that.

And there were many in Germany that had great devotion to the Nazis. What people don't remember is that Hitler was VOTED to power, meaning the people wanted him to be Chancellor as they to felt Jews were responsible for the economic problems. But these same people that supported Hitler were also Catholic, as the population of Germany was largely Catholic. Hitler had plans to eradicate all religions from Germany but had to start with the Jews because for one nobody liked them and secondly, had no way to properly defend themselves.

As I told Nick, the Nazis saw them as superior and if the lowest of life, AKA Jews, managed to kill a Aryan then it would show the false propaganda Hitler had spread. His unquestionable support would have been challenged

How can the people do anything if they don't wield the proper tools to assert themselves? China is still under it's same government, despite protests back in the 70s. America, France, and Russia on the other hand made government changes because of access to guns

This argument about disproving the nazi propaganda is fucking retarded.

As far as I know Hitler never said Aryans were fucking immortal.

You would think hundreds of thousands of krauts getting wasted by slav untermenschen on the eastern front would do the job, were that the case.

Seriously, come up with a more intellectual approach. Sounds like what some kid in special ed would say

Quote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 20, 2014, 09:12:47 AM

Quote from: challengerX on December 20, 2014, 02:40:34 AM

Yup, because if you can't have a rifle with a 30 round mag we should just bring slavery back and remove free speech.

Here's the thing, no weapon ensures your freedom. In fact, the way the world is right now, tyranny is too subtle to actually get people riled up about to shoot up the government. Corporations, banks, and politicians get stronger and richer everyday, and all people like you seem to care about is how big if a gun you can buy to compensate for your tiny dick or some shit.

You guys want change? Play the game right. Get into banking, become a politician, get in the corporate world. Educate yourself on what really goes on behind the scenes. We need to revolt, no doubt about it. But we need to do it just as subtly as they take away our freedom and our money. You don't kill these people, you replace them and change the way things work when you have the power and the money.

Here comes the pathetic "hur hur smal dick" remark. Seriously, come up with a more intellectual approach. Sounds like what some kid in special ed would say

Calm down son.

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And yes, If I can't have similar rifles the military uses, then people can't have free speech or live freely. The Second Amendment is what enforces the rest of the Constitution as it tells the government "you violate these God-given rights then you will be put 6 feet under"

Actually it was written so folks could fight off the Europeans.

So if you can't have something you don't need, people can't have basic human rights?

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That's funny, I never knew the Chinese succeeded in reforming the government back in the 70s despite them not having guns. Oh wait

America in 2014 is the same as China in the 70's?

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No, you kill them. Look at what happened with Napoleon (God rest his mighty soul): He was exiled back managed to come back and gain momentum and take over again. You remove these people? They still have connections and they still have wealth hidden on foreign soil. You cut the head of the snake's body, not cut off it's tail

Good luck with that.

Quote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 20, 2014, 09:28:44 AM

Quote from: challengerX on December 20, 2014, 09:16:59 AM

Quote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 20, 2014, 09:12:47 AM

Quote from: challengerX on December 20, 2014, 02:40:34 AM

Yup, because if you can't have a rifle with a 30 round mag we should just bring slavery back and remove free speech.

Here's the thing, no weapon ensures your freedom. In fact, the way the world is right now, tyranny is too subtle to actually get people riled up about to shoot up the government. Corporations, banks, and politicians get stronger and richer everyday, and all people like you seem to care about is how big if a gun you can buy to compensate for your tiny dick or some shit.

You guys want change? Play the game right. Get into banking, become a politician, get in the corporate world. Educate yourself on what really goes on behind the scenes. We need to revolt, no doubt about it. But we need to do it just as subtly as they take away our freedom and our money. You don't kill these people, you replace them and change the way things work when you have the power and the money.

Here comes the pathetic "hur hur smal dick" remark. Seriously, come up with a more intellectual approach. Sounds like what some kid in special ed would say

Calm down son.

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And yes, If I can't have similar rifles the military uses, then people can't have free speech or live freely. The Second Amendment is what enforces the rest of the Constitution as it tells the government "you violate these God-given rights then you will be put 6 feet under"

Actually it was written so folks could fight off the Europeans.

So if you can't have something you don't need, people can't have basic human rights?

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That's funny, I never knew the Chinese succeeded in reforming the government back in the 70s despite them not having guns. Oh wait

America in 2014 is the same as China in the 70's?

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No, you kill them. Look at what happened with Napoleon (God rest his mighty soul): He was exiled back managed to come back and gain momentum and take over again. You remove these people? They still have connections and they still have wealth hidden on foreign soil. You cut the head of the snake's body, not cut off it's tail

Good luck with that.

I am calm

Sure you are munchkin :^)

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And the colonies were European owned; the colonists were Englishmen and citizens, the English government was theirs. Not only that, but gun ownership was very common back then and the founding fathers also owned guns, so they felt to include guarantee ownership since it was that ownership that saved their asses and created a new nation. The 2A was written to protect against tyranny, foreign or domestic

America in 2014 is the same as it was 400 years ago?

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Nice dodging right there m8

You're the only one dodging anything. Answer the question.

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K

NSA is watching friend :^)