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Not Comms Officer · April 15, 2015, 06:45:01 PM

Quote from: challengerX on April 15, 2015, 06:41:55 PM

Nobody gets sanctions unless they're really causing trouble.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. The US having sanctions on Russia doesn't really say anything about the US since this is all pretty much Russia's doing.

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These are weak arguments and you know it.

Not really. You haven't said how they could have won if the US never got involved.

challengerX · April 15, 2015, 06:55:09 PM

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Not Comms Officer · April 15, 2015, 06:59:41 PM

Quote from: challengerX on April 15, 2015, 06:55:09 PM

No, no it isn't. Obama struck a deal with the Saudis to get the oil prices down to seriously cripple Russia apart from sanctions.

I haven't seen any sources saying that this was the case. All the sources I've read have been saying that the Saudis directed this towards Iran over their mini cold war with eachother. Could you perhaps link me to them?

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By doing what they were doing? America put a stop on the Nazis and sent them packing.

Well, as you said before, it was largely a team effort. But this was still in the 40's though, where the US, UK, and the Soviet Union were roughly equal in terms of strength, so the UK and Soviet Union could have still defeated the Nazis without the USA's help.

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Not Comms Officer · April 15, 2015, 07:06:30 PM

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You realize it's crippled Russia's economy right? That isn't a side effect. It was the main goal. This was all over the news.

Yes, Russia's economy being crippled was all over the news. Not the part stating that the US apparently made some deal with Saudi Arabia to destroy Russia's economy.

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Not really, no. The U.S. Gave the UK the breathing room they needed.

It really wasn't that much. Really, the Nazis gave them the breathing room they needed since they were so fucking retarded. They wouldn't have invaded the UK one way or another since Hitler changed the aim of their aerial campaign over the country right when it was on the verge of success. That's what gave them the breathing room they needed.

Mattie G Indahouse · April 15, 2015, 07:20:14 PM

Quote from: challengerX on April 15, 2015, 06:29:16 PM

Well we murked the Nazis

We helped but if anybody "murked" the Nazis it was the USSR. The Nazis were pretty much done with by 1944. D-Day just put the final nail in the coffin. If we "murked" anybody it was Japan.

DAS B00T x2 · April 15, 2015, 07:23:02 PM

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Well we murked the Nazis
We helped but if anybody "murked" the Nazis it was the USSR. The Nazis were pretty much done with by 1944. D-Day just put the final nail in the coffin. If we "murked" anybody it was Japan.

Russia couldn't have functioned without Dodge and Studebaker trucks.

Trufact.

Mattie G Indahouse · April 15, 2015, 07:24:47 PM

Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 15, 2015, 06:34:19 PM

And it would have been impossible for Nazi Germany to actually maintain control of the land they gained during wwII. Hell, they barely had any control over occupied Russia and Yugoslavia during the war, and they'd be trapped fighting a massive and brutal insurgency until they collapsed if they had "won" the war.

Even if Germany did knock out Stalin and his group that still wouldn't help the Germans out that much. Sure there would be a power grab in the USSR but you still have the largest country in the world to maintain control of which still has industries. The Germans would need about as many people to maintain it and put down resistances as they did during the invasion. Either way they would be screwed.

Mattie G Indahouse · April 15, 2015, 07:29:38 PM

Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 15, 2015, 07:06:30 PM

It really wasn't that much. Really, the Nazis gave them the breathing room they needed since they were so fucking retarded. They wouldn't have invaded the UK one way or another since Hitler changed the aim of their aerial campaign over the country right when it was on the verge of success. That's what gave them the breathing room they needed.

What also fucked the Nazis over with the UK is that they didn't put focus into the U-Boat fleet. Instead of building battleships and the Bismark they should have used those resources to build U-Boats. After WW1 and up to the time the Nazis fell there would have been no time at all for them to build a large enough fleet to take on the UK. The U-Boats on the other hand were putting a hurting on the UK from the start of the attack up to 1941 or whatever year the U-Boats became pointless. Hell Churchill said he feared the U-Boats the most.

Not Comms Officer · April 15, 2015, 07:30:59 PM

Quote from: BerzerkCommando on April 15, 2015, 07:24:47 PM

Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 15, 2015, 06:34:19 PM
And it would have been impossible for Nazi Germany to actually maintain control of the land they gained during wwII. Hell, they barely had any control over occupied Russia and Yugoslavia during the war, and they'd be trapped fighting a massive and brutal insurgency until they collapsed if they had "won" the war.
Even if Germany did knock out Stalin and his group that still wouldn't help the Germans out that much. Sure there would be a power grab in the USSR but you still have the largest country in the world to maintain control of which still has industries. The Germans would need about as many people to maintain it and put down resistances as they did during the invasion. Either way they would be screwed.

Yeah, exactly. They'd actually have to develop and maintain all 2 million square miles they'd just captured.

Not Comms Officer · April 15, 2015, 07:32:31 PM

Quote from: BerzerkCommando on April 15, 2015, 07:29:38 PM

Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 15, 2015, 07:06:30 PM
It really wasn't that much. Really, the Nazis gave them the breathing room they needed since they were so fucking retarded. They wouldn't have invaded the UK one way or another since Hitler changed the aim of their aerial campaign over the country right when it was on the verge of success. That's what gave them the breathing room they needed.
What also fucked the Nazis over with the UK is that they didn't put focus into the U-Boat fleet. Instead of building battleships and the Bismark they should have used those resources to build U-Boats. After WW1 and up to the time the Nazis fell there would have been no time at all for them to build a large enough fleet to take on the UK. The U-Boats on the other hand were putting a hurting on the UK from the start of the attack up to 1941 or whatever year the U-Boats became pointless. Hell Churchill said he feared the U-Boats the most.

They actually focused on making submarines far more than you'd think. Making more and more submarines ended up being a stupid idea as the US and UK developed countermeasures to submarines and soon after, they were hardly a threat. They only feared the submarines when they didn't have any effective ways to deal with them.

Mattie G Indahouse · April 15, 2015, 07:36:54 PM

Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 15, 2015, 07:32:31 PM

Quote from: BerzerkCommando on April 15, 2015, 07:29:38 PM
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 15, 2015, 07:06:30 PM
It really wasn't that much. Really, the Nazis gave them the breathing room they needed since they were so fucking retarded. They wouldn't have invaded the UK one way or another since Hitler changed the aim of their aerial campaign over the country right when it was on the verge of success. That's what gave them the breathing room they needed.
What also fucked the Nazis over with the UK is that they didn't put focus into the U-Boat fleet. Instead of building battleships and the Bismark they should have used those resources to build U-Boats. After WW1 and up to the time the Nazis fell there would have been no time at all for them to build a large enough fleet to take on the UK. The U-Boats on the other hand were putting a hurting on the UK from the start of the attack up to 1941 or whatever year the U-Boats became pointless. Hell Churchill said he feared the U-Boats the most.
They actually focused on making submarines far more than you'd think. Making more and more submarines ended up being a stupid idea as the US and UK developed countermeasures to submarines and soon after, they were hardly a threat. They only feared the submarines when they didn't have any effective ways to deal with them.

Before the year they became pointless though should have been when they started making a shit load of them. They were getting kills but they were still too few in numbers to do patrolling right. What I love is that it was latter on when the subs started getting a camo like paint job for the tower. You would think they would have had that done from the start.

Not Comms Officer · April 15, 2015, 07:40:46 PM

Quote from: BerzerkCommando on April 15, 2015, 07:36:54 PM

Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 15, 2015, 07:32:31 PM
Quote from: BerzerkCommando on April 15, 2015, 07:29:38 PM
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 15, 2015, 07:06:30 PM
It really wasn't that much. Really, the Nazis gave them the breathing room they needed since they were so fucking retarded. They wouldn't have invaded the UK one way or another since Hitler changed the aim of their aerial campaign over the country right when it was on the verge of success. That's what gave them the breathing room they needed.
What also fucked the Nazis over with the UK is that they didn't put focus into the U-Boat fleet. Instead of building battleships and the Bismark they should have used those resources to build U-Boats. After WW1 and up to the time the Nazis fell there would have been no time at all for them to build a large enough fleet to take on the UK. The U-Boats on the other hand were putting a hurting on the UK from the start of the attack up to 1941 or whatever year the U-Boats became pointless. Hell Churchill said he feared the U-Boats the most.
They actually focused on making submarines far more than you'd think. Making more and more submarines ended up being a stupid idea as the US and UK developed countermeasures to submarines and soon after, they were hardly a threat. They only feared the submarines when they didn't have any effective ways to deal with them.
Before the year they became pointless though should have been when they started making a shit load of them. They were getting kills but they were still too few in numbers to do patrolling right. What I love is that it was latter on when the subs started getting a camo like paint job for the tower. You would think they would have had that done from the start.

And then they'd just have a thousand of useless submarines just sitting there and a shit ton less money.

Girl of Mystery · April 16, 2015, 08:14:14 AM

Quote from: PSU on April 15, 2015, 05:42:55 PM

Quote from: Lemön | Queen of Anal on April 15, 2015, 03:29:54 PM
Quote from: PSU on April 15, 2015, 01:18:04 PM
This fucking idiot is a thousand times more successful than you tho. So what does that make you?
Why do you bring up your success as though it's even remotely relevant or validates anything you say?

A successful person can still be a retard you know. You're no exception.

Why do people call me a troll and ask others to ignore me because I have an opposing opinion?

I don't have to take that shit from a teenage loser who still sits in his moms house, uses her Internet, and jerks off under her roof.

I have a differing opinion some of the time. Get over it. I'm a conservative who values patriotism. Sorry not sorry.

You're entitled to an opinion, but there's such a thing as a retarded opinion.

Oh · April 17, 2015, 08:26:08 AM

Quote from: PSU on April 15, 2015, 05:42:55 PM

Quote from: Lemön | Queen of Anal on April 15, 2015, 03:29:54 PM
Quote from: PSU on April 15, 2015, 01:18:04 PM
This fucking idiot is a thousand times more successful than you tho. So what does that make you?
Why do you bring up your success as though it's even remotely relevant or validates anything you say?

A successful person can still be a retard you know. You're no exception.

Why do people call me a troll and ask others to ignore me because I have an opposing opinion?

I don't have to take that shit from a teenage loser who still sits in his moms house, uses her Internet, and jerks off under her roof.

I have a differing opinion some of the time. Get over it. I'm a conservative who values patriotism. Sorry not sorry.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem
People call you a troll because all you do it insult people, rather than debating anything with them.
Someone disagrees with you, so you call them a loser.

Raw Sugar · April 17, 2015, 08:41:23 AM

Daily reminder that I don't care about American pseudo problems.

Verbatim · April 17, 2015, 09:11:16 AM

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You don't have to say it (though you should).
Why?
Because it's respect for your country and those who have fallen to protect its values. And no, I don't mean just soldiers. I'm talking about runaway slaves, civil rights activists. Everybody who's risked or given their life for America.
What's the point in doing it every day though? Did my appreciation somehow diminish from the previous 1000 times I said it?
If you get tired of being patriotic, then you aren't a patriot.
Reciting the same thing over and over again because you're told to is hardly patriotic.

Working to make your country the best it can be is.
I recite it because I want to. Not because I'm told to.
Then why don't you do it on your own time each morning instead of doing it at the prescribed time with everyone else?
Because you're supposed to do it with your fellow Americans. That's the tradition.

LOL

Azumarill · April 17, 2015, 09:48:58 AM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on April 15, 2015, 12:10:09 PM

The nurse should be struck off, you don't refuse treatment to anyone especially over petty political beliefs.

this reminds me, hospitals in fringe areas in ISIL-controlled/contested territory are being given a lot of shit on the internet for treating ISIL fighters. i wonder where we should draw the line, if at all?

Mad Max · April 17, 2015, 10:07:56 AM

Quote from: Azumarill on April 17, 2015, 09:48:58 AM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on April 15, 2015, 12:10:09 PM
The nurse should be struck off, you don't refuse treatment to anyone especially over petty political beliefs.
this reminds me, hospitals in fringe areas in ISIL-controlled/contested territory are being given a lot of shit on the internet for treating ISIL fighters. i wonder where we should draw the line, if at all?

It's difficult position to take, but I can understand their position in treating everyone no matter what. It's a noble cause, I think. One that I probably couldn't do.

Mr. Psychologist · April 17, 2015, 10:34:47 AM

Quote from: Azumarill on April 17, 2015, 09:48:58 AM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on April 15, 2015, 12:10:09 PM
The nurse should be struck off, you don't refuse treatment to anyone especially over petty political beliefs.
this reminds me, hospitals in fringe areas in ISIL-controlled/contested territory are being given a lot of shit on the internet for treating ISIL fighters. i wonder where we should draw the line, if at all?

I don't think it's wrong for the doctors to treat ISIS fighters for a couple of reasons <.<

1. Doctors who refused to treat ISIS soldiers are going to be killed brutally by the comrades of the shithead that they dragged in for treatment, by treating the jihadi they can continue to treat more deserving patients/non-coms.
2. The last time medical professionals got involved in political conflicts (Finding bin laden) the wider impact doesn't justify their involvement. When you have red cross workers, DWB/MSFs being gunned down in the street for 'working with the CIA' it's an utter waste of human resource/life AND it hurts the innocents who they are there trying to help.

It'd be nice to just blow bubbles in their IV lines sure, but the bigger picture unfortunately requires treating them along with anyone else wounded in the fighting.

LecomingBegend · April 17, 2015, 11:43:59 AM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on April 17, 2015, 10:34:47 AM

Quote from: Azumarill on April 17, 2015, 09:48:58 AM
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on April 15, 2015, 12:10:09 PM
The nurse should be struck off, you don't refuse treatment to anyone especially over petty political beliefs.
this reminds me, hospitals in fringe areas in ISIL-controlled/contested territory are being given a lot of shit on the internet for treating ISIL fighters. i wonder where we should draw the line, if at all?
I don't think it's wrong for the doctors to treat ISIS fighters for a couple of reasons <.<

1. Doctors who refused to treat ISIS soldiers are going to be killed brutally by the comrades of the shithead that they dragged in for treatment, by treating the jihadi they can continue to treat more deserving patients/non-coms.
2. The last time medical professionals got involved in political conflicts (Finding bin laden) the wider impact doesn't justify their involvement. When you have red cross workers, DWB/MSFs being gunned down in the street for 'working with the CIA' it's an utter waste of human resource/life AND it hurts the innocents who they are there trying to help.

It'd be nice to just blow bubbles in their IV lines sure, but the bigger picture unfortunately requires treating them along with anyone else wounded in the fighting.

Off topic: I'm back forever!

Mr. Psychologist · April 17, 2015, 12:08:32 PM

Quote from: LecomingBegend on April 17, 2015, 11:43:59 AM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on April 17, 2015, 10:34:47 AM
Quote from: Azumarill on April 17, 2015, 09:48:58 AM
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on April 15, 2015, 12:10:09 PM
The nurse should be struck off, you don't refuse treatment to anyone especially over petty political beliefs.
this reminds me, hospitals in fringe areas in ISIL-controlled/contested territory are being given a lot of shit on the internet for treating ISIL fighters. i wonder where we should draw the line, if at all?
I don't think it's wrong for the doctors to treat ISIS fighters for a couple of reasons <.<

1. Doctors who refused to treat ISIS soldiers are going to be killed brutally by the comrades of the shithead that they dragged in for treatment, by treating the jihadi they can continue to treat more deserving patients/non-coms.
2. The last time medical professionals got involved in political conflicts (Finding bin laden) the wider impact doesn't justify their involvement. When you have red cross workers, DWB/MSFs being gunned down in the street for 'working with the CIA' it's an utter waste of human resource/life AND it hurts the innocents who they are there trying to help.

It'd be nice to just blow bubbles in their IV lines sure, but the bigger picture unfortunately requires treating them along with anyone else wounded in the fighting.
Off topic: I'm back forever!

Welcome back >.>

PSU · April 17, 2015, 03:48:12 PM

Quote from: Simseoooooooooooo on April 17, 2015, 08:26:08 AM

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This fucking idiot is a thousand times more successful than you tho. So what does that make you?
Why do you bring up your success as though it's even remotely relevant or validates anything you say?

A successful person can still be a retard you know. You're no exception.

Why do people call me a troll and ask others to ignore me because I have an opposing opinion?

I don't have to take that shit from a teenage loser who still sits in his moms house, uses her Internet, and jerks off under her roof.

I have a differing opinion some of the time. Get over it. I'm a conservative who values patriotism. Sorry not sorry.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem
People call you a troll because all you do it insult people, rather than debating anything with them.
Someone disagrees with you, so you call them a loser.

I'll never insult someone unless they insult me first.

Oh · April 17, 2015, 04:49:49 PM

Quote from: PSU on April 17, 2015, 03:48:12 PM

Quote from: Simseoooooooooooo on April 17, 2015, 08:26:08 AM
Quote from: PSU on April 15, 2015, 05:42:55 PM
Quote from: Lemön | Queen of Anal on April 15, 2015, 03:29:54 PM
Quote from: PSU on April 15, 2015, 01:18:04 PM
This fucking idiot is a thousand times more successful than you tho. So what does that make you?
Why do you bring up your success as though it's even remotely relevant or validates anything you say?

A successful person can still be a retard you know. You're no exception.

Why do people call me a troll and ask others to ignore me because I have an opposing opinion?

I don't have to take that shit from a teenage loser who still sits in his moms house, uses her Internet, and jerks off under her roof.

I have a differing opinion some of the time. Get over it. I'm a conservative who values patriotism. Sorry not sorry.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem
People call you a troll because all you do it insult people, rather than debating anything with them.
Someone disagrees with you, so you call them a loser.

I'll never insult someone unless they insult me first.

Well you essentially called everyone who disagreed with you an edgy teenager, that's not a great start.
And that still isn't justification for you insulting people. If they insult you, just ignore them, no point turning it into a shitfest.