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Is crime okay if you can get away with it?

Yes
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No
17 (77.3%)

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SQM: Is committing crime okay if you can get away with it?

 
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Simple Question Monday.

You just broke the law, but there are no repercussions. Is that okay with you?


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uhhh...

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Is rape okay if you get away with it?


 
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No.


 
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Is rape okay if you get away with it?
I can think of at least two or three users here who would probably say "yes" to that question.


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Is rape okay if you get away with it?
I can think of at least two or three users here who would probably say "yes" to that question.
Well those users are either trolling or autistic.


 
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According to the law, absolutely not. Depending on your morals is what really decides if its "okay" in your own eyes. Albeit you'd have to have a pretty convincing argument to justify it, nonetheless.


 
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No.
Even piracy? Drinking underage? Jay-walking?

these are crimes, and they're crimes for a reason

you see, this kind of takes it back to the conversation we had about which laws are worth following and whatnot
obviously, i believe that 99% of the laws we have, we should follow them--you had some other thoughts, if you recall
Last Edit: November 22, 2015, 11:38:03 PM by Verbatim


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No.
Even piracy? Drinking underage? Jay-walking?

these are crimes, and they're crimes for a reason

you see, this kind of takes it back to the conversation we had about which laws are worth following and whatnot
I always kinda smirk whenever I see Jaywalking with the other crimes.

Like, you've been arrested for murder, illegal gambling, grand theft, arsony, rape and... JAYWALKING. lol


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Depends on the law, obviously.

Like, I don't wear my shoes while driving all the time (Which is illegal), but I don't see that as a problem. Sometimes I jaywalk. Sometimes I drive over the speed limit. Certain laws have some leeway depending on their strictness, and I think that's reasonable.


 
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No.
Even piracy? Drinking underage? Jay-walking?

these are crimes, and they're crimes for a reason

you see, this kind of takes it back to the conversation we had about which laws are worth following and whatnot
obviously, i believe that 99% of the laws we have, we should follow them--you had some other thoughts, if you recall

Poor job of describing things in the first post. Essentially, my view is this. I'll look at some laws, and see where they hinder people uneccessarily. At which point I choose to break what laws I break.

I personally don't believe I somehow have moral highground because of my views. I understand that I could be wrong in my views and actions. At which point I accept the responsibility for them and the potential consequences.

Basically, I do what I do, and will continue to do so because of what I see as flawed. I might not be right. But if that's the case, somebody, or something, is welcome to stop me if they view me as morally corrupt or wrong.

I take this stance because we all commit wrongdoings. Nobody is abstained from it. Sometimes we commit wrongs without even knowing that we did.

For example. You step on a bug going down the sidewalk. You didn't see it. But there it is anyway. You've just gone up and killed something because you failed to see it. And you're always going to kill something no matter where you step. Even if you're careful.

But does it make it right? Does it abstain you? No. It doesn't.
Last Edit: November 23, 2015, 12:19:06 AM by Sandtrap


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Depends which crimes fam, Something like stealing a street sign or exceeding the speed limit by a few k's on the Freeway are okay to me, because the consequences are relatively minor and they don't have a major effect on another person's life or my own, but I'd never be okay with something more serious.


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Not everything that is illegal is inherently immoral, but that doesn't have anything to do with whether or not you would get away with it.

Sometimes we make things illegal out of concern for the personal safety of the would-be criminal when an oracle that you would 'get away with it' could reasonably be taken to mean you wouldn't be harmed, which I think is the only situation this actually makes a difference.

And even then only if you somehow knew in advance.
Last Edit: November 22, 2015, 11:54:50 PM by Baha


 
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Now, this is less related to laws but the concept is still the same here Verb.

A colony of carpenter ants moves into your house. If you let them sit there, they will destroy your entire house, because that's what carpenter ants do.

So what are you going to do? You have two options at this point.

Move away. Which means that you're only dropping the problem of a carpenter ant infested house on somebody else's plate.

Or kill them via poison to protect your house.

Except that you're not exactly protecting your house. The ants themselves are only doing what comes naturally to them. Making their home in wood.

Are you right in doing so? No. I would say as such, at least. But there it is. You made the choice regardless of whether it was right or wrong. And, other people might view it as right or wrong. So when it comes to laws, my stance is the same.

I'll break what laws I break because I choose to. I'll do wrong where I do wrong in the eyes of others. And I'll remember, that maybe, I'm not right in doing so. I can't escape it. Neither can you. Nobody can.

So, to reiterate my statement to your question.

No. It's not okay.





Last Edit: November 23, 2015, 12:30:00 AM by Sandtrap


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Who is hurt and who is benefited by it and to what magnitudes?


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Yes, generally.

The only one I feel bad for committing is piracy, because it's not a victimless crime.


 
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The only one I feel bad for committing is piracy, because it's not a victimless crime.

Well the thing with digital piracy is that it doesn't equate to lost sales because you can not guarantee that the person who pirated would have even bought it in the first place. The owner also is not losing inventory due to the fact that digital goods do not take up inventory and there are an infinite amount of copies of it that cost nothing for the owner to keep.

In some cases (usually with music) piracy can end up leading to increased sales and notoriety due to more people being exposed to the product than they would be otherwise.

Digital piracy is not a black and white issue. I'm not saying it should be legal, but it isn't the great Satan certain people and parts of various industries would like to have you believe .


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Depends.

Throwing an orange peel or apple cores away is considered littering but it's biodegradable, so I wouldn't consider ot a crime in a rural area.

Things like murder and whatnot are pretty much going to be stopped by my morals, only laws I consider irrelevant would I ignore.


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Is rape okay if you get away with it?
I can think of at least two or three users here who would probably say "yes" to that question.
Is PSU one of them?


 
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Unjust laws are supposed to be broken by sovereign citizens.


 
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The only one I feel bad for committing is piracy, because it's not a victimless crime.

Well the thing with digital piracy is that it doesn't equate to lost sales because you can not guarantee that the person who pirated would have even bought it in the first place. The owner also is not losing inventory due to the fact that digital goods do not take up inventory and there are an infinite amount of copies of it that cost nothing for the owner to keep.

In some cases (usually with music) piracy can end up leading to increased sales and notoriety due to more people being exposed to the product than they would be otherwise.

Digital piracy is not a black and white issue. I'm not saying it should be legal, but it isn't the great Satan certain people and parts of various industries would like to have you believe .
I realize there's no perfect way to sell media products, but piracy is still theft and I don't have the "lol who cares" mentality when doing it and try to keep it to a minimum.


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Maybe a civil law, like non-criminal speeding, jaywalking, etc. Even then, speeding puts other drivers and pedestrians in danger to some extent. In general, I think one's view of justice and crime is fundamentally warped if they believe a crime can be excused simply because it went unobserved.


 
 
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Breaking law is not as bad as breaking the constitution.


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No.

But I do think it's fine to break unjust laws.


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Well morals and justice are social constructions
So is crime

So in the end, it comes down to how you view it
There is no objective yes or no in this case

Only your own sense of right and wrong