Spanking is for the unintelligent

PSU · February 04, 2016, 12:20:43 PM

Quote from: Sandtrap on February 04, 2016, 12:19:53 PM

PSU just save time and start hitting your kid with a bike chain.

May as well get your point across in the best way possible.

THANKS FOR THE IDEA!

For real tho, a belt or a switch is just fine. Anything more is excessive.

challengerX · February 04, 2016, 12:26:04 PM

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PSU · February 04, 2016, 12:31:45 PM

Quote from: challengerX on February 04, 2016, 12:26:04 PM

Buddy, I don't care about your bullshit stories and anecdotal evidence. There are plenty of studies that back up the fact that smacking a 14 year old does nothing.

It has nothing to with benign a pussy you knuckle dragging ape, it's about teaching your kid what he did was wrong, and why he shouldn't do it again. To teach compassion and understanding.

Wahhhhh You're a troll.

I don't give a fuck bro. My "anecdotal evidence" is my life. Thats what I'm going to base my decisions and opinions off of. Not some feminist book that tells me how to parent my child.

Listen, If I thought hitting didn't work on my brothers and I. I wouldn't do it. Personally, I think it works 100%. Thats why I'll do it.

Once again attack my intelligence, thats cool bro. Whatever you gotta do. My son (and any future children), WILL understand that they have done wrong when I make them walk outside, get a switch and get their butt smacked with it.

Like I said, we disagree. And thats fine. Raise your kids however you want, I'm not trying to push my beliefs on you.

Verbatim · February 04, 2016, 12:38:00 PM

Hey PSU, how does it feel to know that your children secretly resent the fuck out of you?

PSU · February 04, 2016, 12:40:23 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on February 04, 2016, 12:38:00 PM

Hey PSU, how does it feel to know that your children secretly resent the fuck out of you?

How does it feel to be a loser and know you'll never even have the opportunity to have children?

Sandtrap · February 04, 2016, 12:43:20 PM

Welp that shit's gonna spiral down from this point on.

For anybody in here who thinks putting the WWE smackdown on your kids is a good thing, take note that Chally's posting against it in a constructive fashion.

If Chally's posting seriously then you know something's fucked.

PSU · February 04, 2016, 12:44:08 PM

I love my parents more than life itself. Probably the complete opposite of resentment.

DAS B00T x2 · February 04, 2016, 12:44:25 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on February 04, 2016, 12:38:00 PM

Hey PSU, how does it feel to know that your children secretly resent the fuck out of you?

See now, like, you see, this stuff isn't why I secretly hate my mother though.

PSU · February 04, 2016, 12:44:59 PM

Quote from: Sandtrap on February 04, 2016, 12:43:20 PM

For anybody in here who thinks putting the WWE smackdown on your kids is a good thing, take note that Chally's posting against it in a constructive fashion.

I don't think anyone here thinks that's appropriate....

Word Wizard · February 04, 2016, 12:58:23 PM

Quote from: PSU

And I know kids who didn't get hit who never had an ounce of respect for their parents because of it.

I didn't realize respect was determined by whether someone hit you or not as child.

DAS B00T x2 · February 04, 2016, 01:04:26 PM

if you're an American who doesn't believe in corporal punishment but believes in an armed police force, you're wrong.

PSU · February 04, 2016, 01:04:49 PM

Quote from: Kal on February 04, 2016, 01:03:33 PM

Using a belt is illegal in a lot of places these days because that's legit child abuse. That's not discipline, that just inflicting trauma on a child.

And thats why we've become a nation of pussies.

Sandtrap · February 04, 2016, 01:08:54 PM

Quote from: PSU on February 04, 2016, 01:04:49 PM

Quote from: Kal on February 04, 2016, 01:03:33 PM
Using a belt is illegal in a lot of places these days because that's legit child abuse. That's not discipline, that just inflicting trauma on a child.

And thats why we've become a nation of pussies.

What kind of faggot doesn't like pussy though?

What are you, gay?

Cadenza has moved on · February 04, 2016, 01:14:39 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2016, 11:01:41 PM

If you were spanked as a child, do you honestly believe it made you into a better person? If so, why?

Asking nobody in particular, in case someone isn't comfortable with answering.

My dad used a decent sized wooden spoon; I can't remember what I did that made him use it but I remember being terrified of it, which certainly made me more disciplined and cautious. I don't blame him at all though, he's been working different shitty manual labor jobs for decades straight and always gets fucked over by incompetent managers and corruption (highlights from his latest job involve management ignoring his warnings about a lack of securely storing money; eventually some guys broke into the site, found the safe containing the day's profits, and simply ripped the safe off the wall and strolled out; there's no cameras or anything because upper management likes to drop by and collect a "tax free bonus" every now and then).

He's lived his whole life putting up with people ignoring everything he says and realized that the best thing to do is just take action and let that speak for itself - he's never once said how hard he has to work for us but we all know it because we'd be in the poor house without him.

Naru · February 04, 2016, 01:18:12 PM

i was never spanked, i was mostly ruled with an iron fist and parents be scary, yo. but hell, my sister spanked my little cousin one time because the fucking tard was out of control, did punishment help? no, neither did time outs. fucking kid is a zombie now due to those adhd drugs. growing up mexican, the chancla and cucuy is what will set kids straight 2k16!

also, ender, you get spanked? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Ender · February 04, 2016, 01:30:51 PM

Quote from: N'awoo on February 04, 2016, 01:18:12 PM

also, ender, you get spanked? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

stop

Naru · February 04, 2016, 01:32:40 PM

Quote from: Ender on February 04, 2016, 01:30:51 PM

Quote from: N'awoo on February 04, 2016, 01:18:12 PM
also, ender, you get spanked? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
stop

oh

Super Irish · February 04, 2016, 01:37:26 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2016, 11:01:41 PM

If you were spanked as a child, do you honestly believe it made you into a better person? If so, why?
Asking nobody in particular, in case someone isn't comfortable with answering.

Can't really refute or support this without bringing up anecdotes, so here goes:

My little story

When I was growing up as a kid with my parents, I was mostly well behaved without the need for punishment. Whenever I did act the maggot, my dad would tell me usually with a "dad disappointed" face and at the very worst "give a clip around the side of the clock", basically a slap to the back of the head and a stern explanation of why I shouldn't do whatever it was I did. Wasn't painful, just the feeling of discomfort made sure I knew not to do it again. I used to talk to my dad about stuff regarding basic morals and behaviour when I was young so I knew what not to do and so I never needed "learning with physical enforcement" more than a couple of times.

Later my parents got divorced and my younger brother and I lived with my mum. He grew up for the majority of his life without the same thing I had because my mum doesn't believe in physical methods, believes that her arbitrary moral and behavioural code is universal and that obviously he should know right and wrong (probably because I do), and instead gets angry and shouts the shit out of him. Not reasoned explanations, just shouting that he shouldn't be doing whatever. As a result, my brother is ridiculously irritable, quick to anger, and when he thinks my mum is wrong, he'll just shout back because there's little repercussions other than more shouting which by now he can handle. Now he uses it to get his own way most of the time because he's older (one example is when I had to take him to school, often he would state "I'm not going" and any effort to get him to move would result in him shouting and screeching and crying until he got his way. He's 15.) The worst my mum can do to discipline him is threaten to call my dad down, and the few times that's happened he gets himself under control so by the time dad comes down he just sulks and behaves himself while my dad just does "the look" again.

TLDR: I don't believe in spanking, actual pain won't solve a behavioural problem and is an archaic method that I don't believe works entirely well, nor will empty threats. Just a *bap* to keep kids straight.

PSU · February 04, 2016, 01:38:35 PM

Quote from: Kal on February 04, 2016, 01:27:46 PM

At least we don't need to argue the fact that PSU is unintelligent.

Suck my balls

Ender · February 04, 2016, 01:46:22 PM

I spent half a fucking hour writing something then sep7 crashed and I lost it all.

I'll write it again later when I'm lessed pissed off.

PSU · February 04, 2016, 01:51:34 PM

Quote from: Kal on February 04, 2016, 01:50:04 PM

Quote from: PSU on February 04, 2016, 01:38:35 PM
Quote from: Kal on February 04, 2016, 01:27:46 PM
At least we don't need to argue the fact that PSU is unintelligent.

Suck my balls
Nice comeback :^)

Thanks kid.

Verbatim · February 04, 2016, 01:51:48 PM

Quote from: Ender on February 04, 2016, 01:46:22 PM

I spent half a fucking hour writing something then sep7 crashed and I lost it all.

I'll write it again later when I'm lessed pissed off.

Whenever I type up a large post, I always make sure I use Notepad instead.

Ender · February 04, 2016, 01:54:52 PM

I have a question for some of you guys.

Why must corporal punishment be a sign of hate or whatnot?

When you spank a child you do not leave them to sit and cry it out, you are supposed to go and comfort them, and tell them apt hat you were sorry that they had to do it, but at the same time explaining to hem that when you do something bad, something bad will happen to them.

Ender · February 04, 2016, 01:55:51 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on February 04, 2016, 01:51:48 PM

Quote from: Ender on February 04, 2016, 01:46:22 PM
I spent half a fucking hour writing something then sep7 crashed and I lost it all.

I'll write it again later when I'm lessed pissed off.
Whenever I type up a large post, I always make sure I use Notepad instead.

Unfortunately lately I've had to use either an iPad or my windows phone to go on here. My laptop's charger broke.

Ender · February 04, 2016, 02:01:57 PM

Also consider a situation like this:

You have a small child, maybe a toddler, and they like to play with the outlet, oven, wires, or whatever dangerous things. Due to their age and inability to understand right from wrong and dangers, they will keep doing these hints. If you sat down and told them to stop, they'll probably still do it due to the fact that they are small child who can't understand much. Sure, maybe taking away their toys or sending them to a corner may work, but do you want to take the chances of your small child accidentally harming himself when you aren't looking? With corporal punishment the child will learn quickly not to do something wrong due to the human's natural fear of pain. It is sad and hard to purposefully harm your child, but some times things have to be done for their safety.

Thun · February 04, 2016, 02:13:51 PM

Quote from: N'awoo on February 04, 2016, 01:18:12 PM

growing up mexican, the chancla and cucuy is what will set kids straight 2k16!

I got hit with belts, shoes, branches, hats, palms, hangers, you name it.

Super Irish · February 04, 2016, 03:15:06 PM

Quote from: Ender on February 04, 2016, 02:01:57 PM

Also consider a situation like this:

You have a small child, maybe a toddler, and they like to play with the outlet, oven, wires, or whatever dangerous things. Due to their age and inability to understand right from wrong and dangers, they will keep doing these hints. If you sat down and told them to stop, they'll probably still do it due to the fact that they are small child who can't understand much. Sure, maybe taking away their toys or sending them to a corner may work, but do you want to take the chances of your small child accidentally harming himself when you aren't looking? With corporal punishment the child will learn quickly not to do something wrong due to the human's natural fear of pain. It is sad and hard to purposefully harm your child, but sometimes things have to be done for their safety.

Don't agree with this. Curiosity doesn't deserve punishment.

If I saw a kid trying to stick his finger in an outlet I'd slap his hand out the way or pull them backwards so they couldn't. If they bawl at me because they're not allowed to do what they want, I'll tell them it's dangerous and could kill them. Kid tries again, I'll bat their hand harder and sternly say "NO", then remove them from the area.

Sandtrap · February 04, 2016, 04:52:40 PM

Quote from: Psygnirish on February 04, 2016, 03:15:06 PM

Quote from: Ender on February 04, 2016, 02:01:57 PM
Also consider a situation like this:

You have a small child, maybe a toddler, and they like to play with the outlet, oven, wires, or whatever dangerous things. Due to their age and inability to understand right from wrong and dangers, they will keep doing these hints. If you sat down and told them to stop, they'll probably still do it due to the fact that they are small child who can't understand much. Sure, maybe taking away their toys or sending them to a corner may work, but do you want to take the chances of your small child accidentally harming himself when you aren't looking? With corporal punishment the child will learn quickly not to do something wrong due to the human's natural fear of pain. It is sad and hard to purposefully harm your child, but sometimes things have to be done for their safety.

Don't agree with this. Curiosity doesn't deserve punishment.

If I saw a kid trying to stick his finger in an outlet I'd slap his hand out the way or pull them backwards so they couldn't. If they bawl at me because they're not allowed to do what they want, I'll tell them it's dangerous and could kill them. Kid tries again, I'll bat their hand harder and sternly say "NO", then remove them from the area.

Or you could just cattle prod them and explain that's what sticking a finger in the electric outlet does.

Super Irish · February 04, 2016, 05:01:20 PM

Quote from: Sandtrap on February 04, 2016, 04:52:40 PM

Quote from: Psygnirish on February 04, 2016, 03:15:06 PM
Quote from: Ender on February 04, 2016, 02:01:57 PM
Also consider a situation like this:

You have a small child, maybe a toddler, and they like to play with the outlet, oven, wires, or whatever dangerous things. Due to their age and inability to understand right from wrong and dangers, they will keep doing these hints. If you sat down and told them to stop, they'll probably still do it due to the fact that they are small child who can't understand much. Sure, maybe taking away their toys or sending them to a corner may work, but do you want to take the chances of your small child accidentally harming himself when you aren't looking? With corporal punishment the child will learn quickly not to do something wrong due to the human's natural fear of pain. It is sad and hard to purposefully harm your child, but sometimes things have to be done for their safety.

Don't agree with this. Curiosity doesn't deserve punishment.

If I saw a kid trying to stick his finger in an outlet I'd slap his hand out the way or pull them backwards so they couldn't. If they bawl at me because they're not allowed to do what they want, I'll tell them it's dangerous and could kill them. Kid tries again, I'll bat their hand harder and sternly say "NO", then remove them from the area.

Or you could just cattle prod them and explain that's what sticking a finger in the electric outlet does.

I was thinking the hard way could work, but I don't wanna create irrational fears either.

I found out fire is hot the hard way... couldn't look a toaster in the eye for a while.

Sandtrap · February 04, 2016, 05:09:59 PM

Quote from: Ender on February 04, 2016, 01:54:52 PM

I have a question for some of you guys.

Why must corporal punishment be a sign of hate or whatnot?

When you spank a child you do not leave them to sit and cry it out, you are supposed to go and comfort them, and tell them apt hat you were sorry that they had to do it, but at the same time explaining to hem that when you do something bad, something bad will happen to them.

It'd literally be easier to just explain to them or show them what the fuck happens when they do something that's regarded as reprehensible instead of enforcing fear as a tactic.

For example. When I was little, I was exploring the garage of my home and I found a gas can. At the time, I had no idea what gas did or what it was for. But I noticed that it made the concrete driveway outside a nice darker shade of colour. So I dumped the whole thing across the driveway.

I didn't get spanked. My parents took a harsh tone with me, enough that I understood that I'd done something wrong. And then, what they did, was show me what gas does when exposed to fire or any kind of sparks. A little bonfire of sticks with some gas on them, and some sparks.

At that point I learned what gas was, what it could do, and why I had to be careful.

How about when I went through the stealing phase? I stole some stuff from some kids at school and my parents found out. They didn't spank me. They made me tell it to everybody that I stole from them. I was embarressed and didn't feel good about doing it. So I learned what it meant to get caught.

And then a few weeks later, my bike went missing. My parents returned it to me after the day was done. But I learned how it felt to have something of mine stolen from me.

Spanking is just the blunt enforcement of fear for doing something wrong. You don't and shouldn't teach people to be afraid of doing things wrong or bad. That's how you make people who grow up to have nervous breakdowns. That's how you make people hate themselves and be afraid of who they are when they ask an important question about themselves like "Am I gay? Followed by, "What's wrong with me?"

You don't use fear. Instead you teach why. Why you should be careful of doing things. Why you should respect other people. Why you should think about everything you do, not just to follow the rules out of fearing the consequences of getting caught.