I've been thinking a lot about this. My life when I graduate and work full time is pretty much going to be the same as it is now. I currently attend college lectures 4 days a week and work 5 days, after university it'll be pretty much the same just without the lectures bit. If that's all life really is then I don't I don't want to live it. Suicide isn't really an option though is it, so I put on a fake mask everyday and keep myself distracted from these thoughts.
Perhaps the worst of all is the fact that society feels stagnant, what is left to explore on Earth? All existing lands are taken, you can't just go into the country and live completely by yourself in this age. Nor do we live in an age where we can explore new worlds and frontiers.
Quote from: Bacon's Shelf on January 17, 2015, 04:15:35 PMPerhaps the worst of all is the fact that society feels stagnant, what is left to explore on Earth? All existing lands are taken, you can't just go into the country and live completely by yourself in this age. Nor do we live in an age where we can explore new worlds and frontiers.I should point out that for while the most part you are right, we've explored the entirety of our own oceans less than frickin' MARS. It's a frontier just waiting to be explored further.
I know about the oceans thing. But I mean the exploration that is more likely to provide an immediate benerfit- more living space, shit to dig out of the ground and so forth. Because unless we actually have a rapture hidden away somewhere in the bermuda triangle, I don't see the immediate benefit of exploring deeper and deeper into the oceans when we have a very good understanding of the way the Earth works and that technology (Which isn't all too different) could be used to start sending people into space.
Quote from: challengerX on January 16, 2015, 06:22:51 AMQuote from: Madman Mordo on January 16, 2015, 06:17:34 AMQuote from: challengerX on January 16, 2015, 06:12:34 AMQuote from: Madman Mordo on January 16, 2015, 05:53:19 AMI can't really blame ourselves to be honest. I mean, on an evolutionary scale, we've only been here practically a minute. We're the first species on Earth to achieve such high levels of sapience in the span of that minute, and it really comes to no one's surprise when we abuse, misuse and ignore that intelligence. We're toddlers trying to take our first, disastrous steps.I feel like I'm in the minority here when I say I don't hold such a pessimistic outlook on humanity. Sure, there are some really horrible despicable shit that goes on in the world, but we really aren't any different to other species on the planet, we just do that horrible despicable shit slightly better. I don't agree that we're getting worse, I actually think we're improving, and transcending our Darwinist biological imperatives. I mean shit, it wasn't that long ago we were sacrificing women based on the fact they were witches, and before that we were crucifying people because we didn't like what they had to say. And yeah, Africa and the Middle East still face those issues, but a lot of that can be chalked up to poor infrastructure, Imperialism, and perhaps religion. The Western World is far from perfect, but we're finally starting to see a genuine shift for the better, at least in my opinion.I'm sure Meta is going to bring out some autistic economic policy or historical fact that is somehow going to debunk what I said, but still, I don't completely agree with the whole "woe is us, we're the worst species on the planet" rhetoric.That's not so much what I'm talking about. I'm talking about, look at everything around us. The way we live, where we live. How ugly everything is.It's certainly better than it was 200 and beyond years ago. I'm sure some Victorian orphan would like to dispute what you're saying.Yeah, you're not understanding. You're looking at this from the wrong perspective. I'm not talking about shit like how we used to have witch hunts a hundred years ago and we had no infrastructure and now we do so we're improving. We're not. Cities are disgusting. Our society is disgusting and pointless. We waste our time doing meaningless shit and we aren't really getting anywhere as a species. A Victorian era orphan is irrelevant because we had already fucked up long before that, which is why we had that. I'm saying when we were far more primitive, we didn't make our habitats ugly and cut down forests, or got school and have jobs and all sorts of other meaningless shit we have today. From there it should have been a group effort in the technology and medicine sectors to improve our lives. Not live in some restrictive society where you waste away doing a whole lot of nothing all day.That's where I have to strongly disagree with you there.How many species can claim they eliminated a plethora of diseases? Have been to the moon and back? Have perfected air, land and sea travel? Have split the atom? Have created telecommunications and a range of technological wizardry?Yeah, we have undoubtedly fucked up along the line, but give any species the intelligence evolution has bestowed upon us in such a miniscule period of time and I doubt they'd fare any better. I think you're seriously not giving credit where credit is due.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on January 16, 2015, 06:17:34 AMQuote from: challengerX on January 16, 2015, 06:12:34 AMQuote from: Madman Mordo on January 16, 2015, 05:53:19 AMI can't really blame ourselves to be honest. I mean, on an evolutionary scale, we've only been here practically a minute. We're the first species on Earth to achieve such high levels of sapience in the span of that minute, and it really comes to no one's surprise when we abuse, misuse and ignore that intelligence. We're toddlers trying to take our first, disastrous steps.I feel like I'm in the minority here when I say I don't hold such a pessimistic outlook on humanity. Sure, there are some really horrible despicable shit that goes on in the world, but we really aren't any different to other species on the planet, we just do that horrible despicable shit slightly better. I don't agree that we're getting worse, I actually think we're improving, and transcending our Darwinist biological imperatives. I mean shit, it wasn't that long ago we were sacrificing women based on the fact they were witches, and before that we were crucifying people because we didn't like what they had to say. And yeah, Africa and the Middle East still face those issues, but a lot of that can be chalked up to poor infrastructure, Imperialism, and perhaps religion. The Western World is far from perfect, but we're finally starting to see a genuine shift for the better, at least in my opinion.I'm sure Meta is going to bring out some autistic economic policy or historical fact that is somehow going to debunk what I said, but still, I don't completely agree with the whole "woe is us, we're the worst species on the planet" rhetoric.That's not so much what I'm talking about. I'm talking about, look at everything around us. The way we live, where we live. How ugly everything is.It's certainly better than it was 200 and beyond years ago. I'm sure some Victorian orphan would like to dispute what you're saying.Yeah, you're not understanding. You're looking at this from the wrong perspective. I'm not talking about shit like how we used to have witch hunts a hundred years ago and we had no infrastructure and now we do so we're improving. We're not. Cities are disgusting. Our society is disgusting and pointless. We waste our time doing meaningless shit and we aren't really getting anywhere as a species. A Victorian era orphan is irrelevant because we had already fucked up long before that, which is why we had that. I'm saying when we were far more primitive, we didn't make our habitats ugly and cut down forests, or got school and have jobs and all sorts of other meaningless shit we have today. From there it should have been a group effort in the technology and medicine sectors to improve our lives. Not live in some restrictive society where you waste away doing a whole lot of nothing all day.
Quote from: challengerX on January 16, 2015, 06:12:34 AMQuote from: Madman Mordo on January 16, 2015, 05:53:19 AMI can't really blame ourselves to be honest. I mean, on an evolutionary scale, we've only been here practically a minute. We're the first species on Earth to achieve such high levels of sapience in the span of that minute, and it really comes to no one's surprise when we abuse, misuse and ignore that intelligence. We're toddlers trying to take our first, disastrous steps.I feel like I'm in the minority here when I say I don't hold such a pessimistic outlook on humanity. Sure, there are some really horrible despicable shit that goes on in the world, but we really aren't any different to other species on the planet, we just do that horrible despicable shit slightly better. I don't agree that we're getting worse, I actually think we're improving, and transcending our Darwinist biological imperatives. I mean shit, it wasn't that long ago we were sacrificing women based on the fact they were witches, and before that we were crucifying people because we didn't like what they had to say. And yeah, Africa and the Middle East still face those issues, but a lot of that can be chalked up to poor infrastructure, Imperialism, and perhaps religion. The Western World is far from perfect, but we're finally starting to see a genuine shift for the better, at least in my opinion.I'm sure Meta is going to bring out some autistic economic policy or historical fact that is somehow going to debunk what I said, but still, I don't completely agree with the whole "woe is us, we're the worst species on the planet" rhetoric.That's not so much what I'm talking about. I'm talking about, look at everything around us. The way we live, where we live. How ugly everything is.It's certainly better than it was 200 and beyond years ago. I'm sure some Victorian orphan would like to dispute what you're saying.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on January 16, 2015, 05:53:19 AMI can't really blame ourselves to be honest. I mean, on an evolutionary scale, we've only been here practically a minute. We're the first species on Earth to achieve such high levels of sapience in the span of that minute, and it really comes to no one's surprise when we abuse, misuse and ignore that intelligence. We're toddlers trying to take our first, disastrous steps.I feel like I'm in the minority here when I say I don't hold such a pessimistic outlook on humanity. Sure, there are some really horrible despicable shit that goes on in the world, but we really aren't any different to other species on the planet, we just do that horrible despicable shit slightly better. I don't agree that we're getting worse, I actually think we're improving, and transcending our Darwinist biological imperatives. I mean shit, it wasn't that long ago we were sacrificing women based on the fact they were witches, and before that we were crucifying people because we didn't like what they had to say. And yeah, Africa and the Middle East still face those issues, but a lot of that can be chalked up to poor infrastructure, Imperialism, and perhaps religion. The Western World is far from perfect, but we're finally starting to see a genuine shift for the better, at least in my opinion.I'm sure Meta is going to bring out some autistic economic policy or historical fact that is somehow going to debunk what I said, but still, I don't completely agree with the whole "woe is us, we're the worst species on the planet" rhetoric.That's not so much what I'm talking about. I'm talking about, look at everything around us. The way we live, where we live. How ugly everything is.
I can't really blame ourselves to be honest. I mean, on an evolutionary scale, we've only been here practically a minute. We're the first species on Earth to achieve such high levels of sapience in the span of that minute, and it really comes to no one's surprise when we abuse, misuse and ignore that intelligence. We're toddlers trying to take our first, disastrous steps.I feel like I'm in the minority here when I say I don't hold such a pessimistic outlook on humanity. Sure, there are some really horrible despicable shit that goes on in the world, but we really aren't any different to other species on the planet, we just do that horrible despicable shit slightly better. I don't agree that we're getting worse, I actually think we're improving, and transcending our Darwinist biological imperatives. I mean shit, it wasn't that long ago we were sacrificing women based on the fact they were witches, and before that we were crucifying people because we didn't like what they had to say. And yeah, Africa and the Middle East still face those issues, but a lot of that can be chalked up to poor infrastructure, Imperialism, and perhaps religion. The Western World is far from perfect, but we're finally starting to see a genuine shift for the better, at least in my opinion.I'm sure Meta is going to bring out some autistic economic policy or historical fact that is somehow going to debunk what I said, but still, I don't completely agree with the whole "woe is us, we're the worst species on the planet" rhetoric.
Quote from: gooootsby on January 17, 2015, 04:01:56 PMI've been thinking a lot about this. My life when I graduate and work full time is pretty much going to be the same as it is now. I currently attend college lectures 4 days a week and work 5 days, after university it'll be pretty much the same just without the lectures bit. If that's all life really is then I don't I don't want to live it. Suicide isn't really an option though is it, so I put on a fake mask everyday and keep myself distracted from these thoughts.This is why we find hobbies and dedicate our free time to them.
Quote from: Bacon's Shelf on January 17, 2015, 04:58:18 PMI know about the oceans thing. But I mean the exploration that is more likely to provide an immediate benerfit- more living space, shit to dig out of the ground and so forth. Because unless we actually have a rapture hidden away somewhere in the bermuda triangle, I don't see the immediate benefit of exploring deeper and deeper into the oceans when we have a very good understanding of the way the Earth works and that technology (Which isn't all too different) could be used to start sending people into space.-Gas Hydrates-Rare Earth Metals-Black Smokers that have unique life on every single one (and deposit a shit-tonne of minerals)These are three immediate benefits. These would solve our future energy crisis, our reliance on China for most REM's (used in practically anything and everything technological), and you get to study an ecology that is literally found no where else, even on other similar structures. Saying it has "no immediate benefit" is almost insulting, especially when you consider at currently, we can do equally as "little" with space exploration at the moment. (Don't get me wrong, space exploration is a passion of mine, but we've missed tonnes on the ocean and it's easier to get to and doesn't have as much requirements on equipment and crew to do.)
Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on January 17, 2015, 04:11:17 PMQuote from: gooootsby on January 17, 2015, 04:01:56 PMI've been thinking a lot about this. My life when I graduate and work full time is pretty much going to be the same as it is now. I currently attend college lectures 4 days a week and work 5 days, after university it'll be pretty much the same just without the lectures bit. If that's all life really is then I don't I don't want to live it. Suicide isn't really an option though is it, so I put on a fake mask everyday and keep myself distracted from these thoughts.This is why we find hobbies and dedicate our free time to them.I have no hobbies. I'm not really interested in anything.
Quote from: SuperIrish on January 17, 2015, 05:06:16 PMQuote from: Bacon's Shelf on January 17, 2015, 04:58:18 PMI know about the oceans thing. But I mean the exploration that is more likely to provide an immediate benerfit- more living space, shit to dig out of the ground and so forth. Because unless we actually have a rapture hidden away somewhere in the bermuda triangle, I don't see the immediate benefit of exploring deeper and deeper into the oceans when we have a very good understanding of the way the Earth works and that technology (Which isn't all too different) could be used to start sending people into space.-Gas Hydrates-Rare Earth Metals-Black Smokers that have unique life on every single one (and deposit a shit-tonne of minerals)These are three immediate benefits. These would solve our future energy crisis, our reliance on China for most REM's (used in practically anything and everything technological), and you get to study an ecology that is literally found no where else, even on other similar structures. Saying it has "no immediate benefit" is almost insulting, especially when you consider at currently, we can do equally as "little" with space exploration at the moment. (Don't get me wrong, space exploration is a passion of mine, but we've missed tonnes on the ocean and it's easier to get to and doesn't have as much requirements on equipment and crew to do.)You could say the same about all three for space. If we get to the point where we can at least have automated drones working their way through the asteroid belt, we will not need to dig any terrestrial minerals up again. If scouring the oceans for resources was so easy, we would be doing it already. The fact that our space exploration is much more advanced than our ocean exploration says something, to me at least.
Quote from: Bacon's Shelf on January 17, 2015, 05:20:36 PMQuote from: SuperIrish on January 17, 2015, 05:06:16 PMQuote from: Bacon's Shelf on January 17, 2015, 04:58:18 PMI know about the oceans thing. But I mean the exploration that is more likely to provide an immediate benerfit- more living space, shit to dig out of the ground and so forth. Because unless we actually have a rapture hidden away somewhere in the bermuda triangle, I don't see the immediate benefit of exploring deeper and deeper into the oceans when we have a very good understanding of the way the Earth works and that technology (Which isn't all too different) could be used to start sending people into space.-Gas Hydrates-Rare Earth Metals-Black Smokers that have unique life on every single one (and deposit a shit-tonne of minerals)These are three immediate benefits. These would solve our future energy crisis, our reliance on China for most REM's (used in practically anything and everything technological), and you get to study an ecology that is literally found no where else, even on other similar structures. Saying it has "no immediate benefit" is almost insulting, especially when you consider at currently, we can do equally as "little" with space exploration at the moment. (Don't get me wrong, space exploration is a passion of mine, but we've missed tonnes on the ocean and it's easier to get to and doesn't have as much requirements on equipment and crew to do.)You could say the same about all three for space. If we get to the point where we can at least have automated drones working their way through the asteroid belt, we will not need to dig any terrestrial minerals up again. If scouring the oceans for resources was so easy, we would be doing it already. The fact that our space exploration is much more advanced than our ocean exploration says something, to me at least.the advancements needed are similar although resource management would be far simpler in the ocean, space is just more interesting.
Somewhere along the line we fucked up.
