Some Muslim students refused to honour minute of silence in France

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But I'm not. Why would you accuse me of that? Unless, of course, you're on a witch hunt, which would be proving my point.
Where did I accuse you of anything?!?

Wait what.

Is this thread just a bunch of misunderstandings?
Almost like I've been trying to say that from the begining. I swear half of you didn't read the first page.
Same exact argument.


 
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I'm concerned about the consequences that will come from this sort of rhetoric
The very same kind of apologetics is used to try and justify the actions of such mass murdered. . .

"Well, if they hadn't drawn the cartoons in the first place. . ."


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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
I really don't know how this thread has got out of hand.

The only implication my side is making here is that these Muslim students are cunts and ought not do it; they're essentially using the values of France as a weapon against the values of France, by not criticising senseless violence.

And, like I say, we can even ignore the moral superiority of the French (and, by extension, the Western World) in this situation and still see that this is a fucking retarded way to act.
Last Edit: January 13, 2015, 11:52:32 AM by Meta Cognition


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Almost like I've been trying to say that from the begining. I swear half of you didn't read the first page.
Same exact argument.
Fine, if you're going to be a child about it, take a look in the mirror yourself before you tell others to do that. I wasn't throwing strawmen or ad hominems at you, now was I?

I don't see how it isn't relevant. "Here's something to prove you're loyal, and we're going on a witch hunt against everyone who doesn't comply."
Ignoring the fact that we have the moral high ground here, I still don't see how you can't find fault with people not honouring dead satirists in the face of senseless murder.

I'd be saying the same if Jews refused to honour the dead after a mass murder like that of Baruch Goldstein's.
It's...

I just see a witch hunt boiling. That makes me uneasy.

But I can't imagine how utterly deluded or just plain uncivilized one has to be to not want to participate in that moment of silence. What does it say about them that they think it's okay for adults to throw adult tantrums because they saw a drawing they didn't like? I don't want to say what I really think of them, because I'd be offending a lot of people with the comparisons, but... I wouldn't necessarily be wrong in my assertions.

Maybe a witch hunt is the only way to get them to realize that normal people don't act that way. But with a witch hunt comes the inevitability of rights abuses and all of that insane stuff that comes with it. I think there's a right to be upset about this, but it's important to realize that moderation is necessary to keep everyone rational, because this is exactly the kind of stuff that gets out of hand if left unchecked and unchallenged.


 
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All I ask is a quote. Any quote where I've used an ad hominem, strawman, or have said that they shouldn't be allowed to be dicks.

Quote me. Please.

Last Edit: January 13, 2015, 12:05:12 PM by Naoto


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
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All I'm really getting from you is that correct propositions ought to be restrained due to the fact that some people may take offence--regardless of the integrity of such people--and could potentially boil over into a witch hunt.

It's just tacit masochism. You can't avoid these people. It's exactly the sort of fear that you're propagating which will inevitably lead to such a phenomenon, as we prostrate ourselves to militant lunatics and either lose our rights or our moral integrity.

We have to face this, now, or it will ferment and the toxicity will increase.
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I'm concerned about the consequences that will come from this sort of rhetoric
The very same kind of apologetics is used to try and justify the actions of such mass murdered. . .

"Well, if they hadn't drawn the cartoons in the first place. . ."
"If they didn't act like a Red, they wouldn't have been blacklisted"

It's a slippery slope.


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Just a quick comment on the cartoon, I actually saw a comment on a website the other day that made sense.  "How about instead of making fun of the religion, make fun of the terrorists and the fundamentalist extremists."
Because fundamental extremism isn't inherently bad.  It's only bad when the fundamentals are bad.  An Extreme fundamental pacifisist isn't a problem.


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Right guys this thread is getting locked temporarily.


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Okay the thread's been purged. I'll remind you all to keep things civil, even when the debate gets heated.

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Meh. Was getting a bit agitated since this was the first thing I posted itt:
They have a right not to be silent and people have a right to criticize them for it.
And people kept thinking I was saying the opposite. Probably wasn't helping me make my points more clearly. Time out was probably the smart thing to do. Cleared it with Kupo. We're good.


 
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You will find out who you are not a thousand times, before you ever discover who you are. I hope you find peace in yourself and learn to love instead of hate.
As disrespectful as it may be, they have the right not to stand up.

Forcing them to pay respects really doesn't make us any better than the terrorists, as ironic as it may be.
I'm saying they're cunts for not respecting the people who died in the name of the very freedom they're exercising. They can refuse to stand, or speak during a minute's silence, all they like--but I won't sit idly by at such flagrant hypocrisy and moral insanity.

You know, this is the same type of argument Conservatives use to bitch out people who won't stand for the Pledge of Allegiance/National Anthem over here.
People have died.
Still not really an excuse to stand for a minutes silence. A minute silence for remembering those that died in a war? Sure. But for 17 that died because of a terrorist attack? Eh not so much. People die everyday.
Fuck yourself.
Great reply man, world leaders should take advice from you on how to negotiate and debate.


 
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It's within their rights, but totally immoral in any religion, you get the same with some Brits not paying their respects on 11/11, sad but just a fact of life