Quote from: Kiyohime on January 12, 2015, 06:03:24 PM> Not partaking in a minutes silence.Such a fucking crime.17 people are dead for drawing a cartoon, and yet you can't seem to find anything even vaguely disagreeable in people explicitly dishonouring the memory of those dead. I question your ability to form a coherent value-system.
> Not partaking in a minutes silence.Such a fucking crime.
I'm merely reaffirming my position on freedom of expression. I'm completely aware people have the right to levy harsh condemnation for these student's behaviour, as much as these students have the right to express themselves. Not sure what you extracted from my original post but evidently it seems like you interpreted it incorrectly.
Not standing for a minutes silence is not dishonouring anyone.
Quote from: Kiyohime on January 12, 2015, 06:34:31 PMNot standing for a minutes silence is not dishonouring anyone.Not only does it dishonour those who died, it dishonours the very foundation of France as a country. If you don't think the actions of those specific students was in some way condemn-able, then you really are quite seriously morally confused.
Fascinating
Quote from: Kiyohime on January 12, 2015, 06:34:31 PMNot standing for a minutes silence is not dishonouring anyone.Not only does it dishonour those who died, it dishonours the very foundation of France as a country. If you don't think the actions of those specific students was in some way condemn-able, then you really are quite seriously morally confused. Explicitly choosing to go against the simple precedent of remembrance being exercised is quite a clear repudiation of the memory of those being remembered. . . You can't reach any other conclusion.
I don't know actually, it seems like allowing them to choose not to honour those who died is just as important for freedom of expression as allowing them (Cartoonists) to draw muhammed. Sure it makes them look like jackasses, but it's their choice.
Quote from: Ἀπόλλων on January 12, 2015, 05:58:15 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on January 12, 2015, 05:53:08 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on January 12, 2015, 05:37:22 PMAs disrespectful as it may be, they have the right not to stand up.Forcing them to pay respects really doesn't make us any better than the terrorists, as ironic as it may be.I'm saying they're cunts for not respecting the people who died in the name of the very freedom they're exercising. They can refuse to stand, or speak during a minute's silence, all they like--but I won't sit idly by at such flagrant hypocrisy and moral insanity. You know, this is the same type of argument Conservatives use to bitch out people who won't stand for the Pledge of Allegiance/National Anthem over here. People have died.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on January 12, 2015, 05:53:08 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on January 12, 2015, 05:37:22 PMAs disrespectful as it may be, they have the right not to stand up.Forcing them to pay respects really doesn't make us any better than the terrorists, as ironic as it may be.I'm saying they're cunts for not respecting the people who died in the name of the very freedom they're exercising. They can refuse to stand, or speak during a minute's silence, all they like--but I won't sit idly by at such flagrant hypocrisy and moral insanity. You know, this is the same type of argument Conservatives use to bitch out people who won't stand for the Pledge of Allegiance/National Anthem over here.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on January 12, 2015, 05:37:22 PMAs disrespectful as it may be, they have the right not to stand up.Forcing them to pay respects really doesn't make us any better than the terrorists, as ironic as it may be.I'm saying they're cunts for not respecting the people who died in the name of the very freedom they're exercising. They can refuse to stand, or speak during a minute's silence, all they like--but I won't sit idly by at such flagrant hypocrisy and moral insanity.
As disrespectful as it may be, they have the right not to stand up.Forcing them to pay respects really doesn't make us any better than the terrorists, as ironic as it may be.
Quote from: Ἀπόλλων on January 12, 2015, 05:58:15 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on January 12, 2015, 05:53:08 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on January 12, 2015, 05:37:22 PMAs disrespectful as it may be, they have the right not to stand up.Forcing them to pay respects really doesn't make us any better than the terrorists, as ironic as it may be.I'm saying they're cunts for not respecting the people who died in the name of the very freedom they're exercising. They can refuse to stand, or speak during a minute's silence, all they like--but I won't sit idly by at such flagrant hypocrisy and moral insanity. You know, this is the same type of argument Conservatives use to bitch out people who won't stand for the Pledge of Allegiance/National Anthem over here.No it fucking isn't. People have died. I am so sick of you fucking PC liberals.
Quote from: challengerX on January 13, 2015, 03:52:15 AMQuote from: Ἀπόλλων on January 12, 2015, 05:58:15 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on January 12, 2015, 05:53:08 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on January 12, 2015, 05:37:22 PMAs disrespectful as it may be, they have the right not to stand up.Forcing them to pay respects really doesn't make us any better than the terrorists, as ironic as it may be.I'm saying they're cunts for not respecting the people who died in the name of the very freedom they're exercising. They can refuse to stand, or speak during a minute's silence, all they like--but I won't sit idly by at such flagrant hypocrisy and moral insanity. You know, this is the same type of argument Conservatives use to bitch out people who won't stand for the Pledge of Allegiance/National Anthem over here.No it fucking isn't. People have died. I am so sick of you fucking PC liberals.Let's not forget the old Bellamy salute here in the states:The pledge is idolatry in the name of "patriotism"
Quote from: Kupo on January 13, 2015, 08:34:26 AMQuote from: challengerX on January 13, 2015, 03:52:15 AMQuote from: Ἀπόλλων on January 12, 2015, 05:58:15 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on January 12, 2015, 05:53:08 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on January 12, 2015, 05:37:22 PMAs disrespectful as it may be, they have the right not to stand up.Forcing them to pay respects really doesn't make us any better than the terrorists, as ironic as it may be.I'm saying they're cunts for not respecting the people who died in the name of the very freedom they're exercising. They can refuse to stand, or speak during a minute's silence, all they like--but I won't sit idly by at such flagrant hypocrisy and moral insanity. You know, this is the same type of argument Conservatives use to bitch out people who won't stand for the Pledge of Allegiance/National Anthem over here.No it fucking isn't. People have died. I am so sick of you fucking PC liberals.Let's not forget the old Bellamy salute here in the states:The pledge is idolatry in the name of "patriotism"Bellamy was a socialist though.
Quote from: Ἀπόλλων on January 12, 2015, 05:58:15 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on January 12, 2015, 05:53:08 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on January 12, 2015, 05:37:22 PMAs disrespectful as it may be, they have the right not to stand up.Forcing them to pay respects really doesn't make us any better than the terrorists, as ironic as it may be.I'm saying they're cunts for not respecting the people who died in the name of the very freedom they're exercising. They can refuse to stand, or speak during a minute's silence, all they like--but I won't sit idly by at such flagrant hypocrisy and moral insanity. You know, this is the same type of argument Conservatives use to bitch out people who won't stand for the Pledge of Allegiance/National Anthem over here.No it fucking isn't. People have died.
Quote from: challengerX on January 13, 2015, 03:52:15 AMQuote from: Ἀπόλλων on January 12, 2015, 05:58:15 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on January 12, 2015, 05:53:08 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on January 12, 2015, 05:37:22 PMAs disrespectful as it may be, they have the right not to stand up.Forcing them to pay respects really doesn't make us any better than the terrorists, as ironic as it may be.I'm saying they're cunts for not respecting the people who died in the name of the very freedom they're exercising. They can refuse to stand, or speak during a minute's silence, all they like--but I won't sit idly by at such flagrant hypocrisy and moral insanity. You know, this is the same type of argument Conservatives use to bitch out people who won't stand for the Pledge of Allegiance/National Anthem over here.No it fucking isn't. People have died. I am so sick of you fucking PC liberals.I actually have to agree with this one. Standing up for your nation's "loyalty" isn't really the same as giving a respectful silence for people who were murdered over a cartoon.Just a quick comment on the cartoon, I actually saw a comment on a website the other day that made sense. "How about instead of making fun of the religion, make fun of the terrorists and the fundamentalist extremists."
Quote from: Ἀπόλλων on January 13, 2015, 10:58:11 AMQuote from: challengerX on January 13, 2015, 03:52:15 AMQuote from: Ἀπόλλων on January 12, 2015, 05:58:15 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on January 12, 2015, 05:53:08 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on January 12, 2015, 05:37:22 PMAs disrespectful as it may be, they have the right not to stand up.Forcing them to pay respects really doesn't make us any better than the terrorists, as ironic as it may be.I'm saying they're cunts for not respecting the people who died in the name of the very freedom they're exercising. They can refuse to stand, or speak during a minute's silence, all they like--but I won't sit idly by at such flagrant hypocrisy and moral insanity. You know, this is the same type of argument Conservatives use to bitch out people who won't stand for the Pledge of Allegiance/National Anthem over here.No it fucking isn't. People have died. You do realize that many people here associate the Pledge/Anthem with out military, correct? Many see it as saluting them, as well as the country - including those that died.But this discussion has already been done, so unless there's something new to add other than "Fucking PC Liberal", I'll take my leave.makes you look like a Muslim apologist?
Quote from: challengerX on January 13, 2015, 03:52:15 AMQuote from: Ἀπόλλων on January 12, 2015, 05:58:15 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on January 12, 2015, 05:53:08 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on January 12, 2015, 05:37:22 PMAs disrespectful as it may be, they have the right not to stand up.Forcing them to pay respects really doesn't make us any better than the terrorists, as ironic as it may be.I'm saying they're cunts for not respecting the people who died in the name of the very freedom they're exercising. They can refuse to stand, or speak during a minute's silence, all they like--but I won't sit idly by at such flagrant hypocrisy and moral insanity. You know, this is the same type of argument Conservatives use to bitch out people who won't stand for the Pledge of Allegiance/National Anthem over here.No it fucking isn't. People have died. You do realize that many people here associate the Pledge/Anthem with out military, correct? Many see it as saluting them, as well as the country - including those that died.But this discussion has already been done, so unless there's something new to add other than "Fucking PC Liberal", I'll take my leave.
Quote from: Kupo on January 13, 2015, 08:34:26 AMQuote from: challengerX on January 13, 2015, 03:52:15 AMQuote from: Ἀπόλλων on January 12, 2015, 05:58:15 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on January 12, 2015, 05:53:08 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on January 12, 2015, 05:37:22 PMAs disrespectful as it may be, they have the right not to stand up.Forcing them to pay respects really doesn't make us any better than the terrorists, as ironic as it may be.I'm saying they're cunts for not respecting the people who died in the name of the very freedom they're exercising. They can refuse to stand, or speak during a minute's silence, all they like--but I won't sit idly by at such flagrant hypocrisy and moral insanity. You know, this is the same type of argument Conservatives use to bitch out people who won't stand for the Pledge of Allegiance/National Anthem over here.No it fucking isn't. People have died. I am so sick of you fucking PC liberals.Let's not forget the old Bellamy salute here in the states:The pledge is idolatry in the name of "patriotism"The fuck does this have to do with anything?
Quote from: challengerX on January 13, 2015, 10:56:31 AMQuote from: Kupo on January 13, 2015, 08:34:26 AMQuote from: challengerX on January 13, 2015, 03:52:15 AMQuote from: Ἀπόλλων on January 12, 2015, 05:58:15 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on January 12, 2015, 05:53:08 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on January 12, 2015, 05:37:22 PMAs disrespectful as it may be, they have the right not to stand up.Forcing them to pay respects really doesn't make us any better than the terrorists, as ironic as it may be.I'm saying they're cunts for not respecting the people who died in the name of the very freedom they're exercising. They can refuse to stand, or speak during a minute's silence, all they like--but I won't sit idly by at such flagrant hypocrisy and moral insanity. You know, this is the same type of argument Conservatives use to bitch out people who won't stand for the Pledge of Allegiance/National Anthem over here.No it fucking isn't. People have died. I am so sick of you fucking PC liberals.Let's not forget the old Bellamy salute here in the states:The pledge is idolatry in the name of "patriotism"The fuck does this have to do with anything?I was proving Icy's point.
Quote from: Kupo on January 13, 2015, 11:03:59 AMQuote from: challengerX on January 13, 2015, 10:56:31 AMQuote from: Kupo on January 13, 2015, 08:34:26 AMQuote from: challengerX on January 13, 2015, 03:52:15 AMQuote from: Ἀπόλλων on January 12, 2015, 05:58:15 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on January 12, 2015, 05:53:08 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on January 12, 2015, 05:37:22 PMAs disrespectful as it may be, they have the right not to stand up.Forcing them to pay respects really doesn't make us any better than the terrorists, as ironic as it may be.I'm saying they're cunts for not respecting the people who died in the name of the very freedom they're exercising. They can refuse to stand, or speak during a minute's silence, all they like--but I won't sit idly by at such flagrant hypocrisy and moral insanity. You know, this is the same type of argument Conservatives use to bitch out people who won't stand for the Pledge of Allegiance/National Anthem over here.No it fucking isn't. People have died. I am so sick of you fucking PC liberals.Let's not forget the old Bellamy salute here in the states:The pledge is idolatry in the name of "patriotism"The fuck does this have to do with anything?I was proving Icy's point.Icy has no point as the first page has already shown. I don't know how people are still bringing up the pledge as if it has anything to do with this thread.
Some Muslim students refused to honour minute of silence in France
