A nationwide minute of silence for the victims of the attack on Charlie Hebdo’s Paris offices was not honored by some Muslim students in French schools, a BBC reporter claimed.Following last Wednesday’s slaughter of 12 people at the satirical newspaper by Islamic terrorists, President Francois Hollande asked the French people to observe a moment of silence the following day.But while most of the nation responded with an outpouring of grief and solidarity, one subset of the French nation was less-than-reverential.“I’m already getting reports from people in France that some schools in those strongly Muslim neighborhoods, the kids didn’t stand for the minute’s silence,” BBC reporter Katty Kay said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” on Monday. “They see those attackers as heroes. How do we change that? Because that’s where the problem for Europe lies.”Kay said the Muslim-dominated Parisian suburbs must be “detoxified,” explaining that radicalization is spreading rapidly within the French Muslim community.Muslims worldwide were incensed by Charlie Hebdo’s publication of cartoons mocking their prophet Mohammed, with many calling for revenge attacks like the one finally carried out last week.
Anyone who thinks violence is ever an acceptable response to fucking words is an idiot. But anyone who actually idolizes mass murderers is just insane.
As disrespectful as it may be, they have the right not to stand up.Forcing them to pay respects really doesn't make us any better than the terrorists, as ironic as it may be.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on January 12, 2015, 05:37:22 PMAs disrespectful as it may be, they have the right not to stand up.Forcing them to pay respects really doesn't make us any better than the terrorists, as ironic as it may be.I'm saying they're cunts for not respecting the people who died in the name of the very freedom they're exercising. They can refuse to stand, or speak during a minute's silence, all they like--but I won't sit idly by at such flagrant hypocrisy and moral insanity.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on January 12, 2015, 05:53:08 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on January 12, 2015, 05:37:22 PMAs disrespectful as it may be, they have the right not to stand up.Forcing them to pay respects really doesn't make us any better than the terrorists, as ironic as it may be.I'm saying they're cunts for not respecting the people who died in the name of the very freedom they're exercising. They can refuse to stand, or speak during a minute's silence, all they like--but I won't sit idly by at such flagrant hypocrisy and moral insanity. You know, this is the same type of argument Conservatives use to bitch out people who won't stand for the Pledge of Allegiance/National Anthem over here.
> Not partaking in a minutes silence.Such a fucking crime.
You know, this is the same type of argument Conservatives use to bitch out people who won't stand for the Pledge of Allegiance/National Anthem over here.
Quote from: Ἀπόλλων on January 12, 2015, 05:58:15 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on January 12, 2015, 05:53:08 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on January 12, 2015, 05:37:22 PMAs disrespectful as it may be, they have the right not to stand up.Forcing them to pay respects really doesn't make us any better than the terrorists, as ironic as it may be.I'm saying they're cunts for not respecting the people who died in the name of the very freedom they're exercising. They can refuse to stand, or speak during a minute's silence, all they like--but I won't sit idly by at such flagrant hypocrisy and moral insanity. You know, this is the same type of argument Conservatives use to bitch out people who won't stand for the Pledge of Allegiance/National Anthem over here.One is about pledging allegiance to a piece of cloth, and the other is about the brutal murder of people for posting a cartoon. Do I have to point out how those two situations are not similar?
They're not different at all.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on January 12, 2015, 06:06:40 PMThey're not different at all.The point is moral, not legal.
But they have the same right to not participate as everyone does, and they choose to exercise it.
Yes, it's pledging allegiance to a piece of cloth - but to many, it's also pledging allegiance and paying respects to all the soldiers who have tied for your freedoms and America's security (Blah blah blah, patriotism).Point is - yes, they're dicks for choosing not honor the dead and pay their respects with the rest of the country. But they have the same right to not participate as everyone does, and they choose to exercise it. It doesn't mean I agree with them for not participating in the silence, as I would have done so.
They're not different at all. People have the right to not pledge allegiance to a panel of cloth, just as they have the right to not pay respects to people that died. Of course, that makes them cunts, especially the latter, but they're perfectly within their jurisdiction to exercise these rights.
They have a right not to be silent and people have a right to criticize them for it. I don't think anyone is trying to force them to be decent human beings.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on January 12, 2015, 06:08:35 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on January 12, 2015, 06:06:40 PMThey're not different at all.The point is moral, not legal.Not adhering to the pledge of allegiance is illegal?
Quote from: Madman Mordo on January 12, 2015, 06:10:10 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on January 12, 2015, 06:08:35 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on January 12, 2015, 06:06:40 PMThey're not different at all.The point is moral, not legal.Not adhering to the pledge of allegiance is illegal?I'm referring to your comment about them being within legal 'jurisdiction' to exercise a lack of respect. They have the same legal guarantees in both instances, but the difference between the two within this jurisdiction is a moral discrepancy.
Quote from: Ἀπόλλων on January 12, 2015, 06:06:39 PMYes, it's pledging allegiance to a piece of cloth - but to many, it's also pledging allegiance and paying respects to all the soldiers who have tied for your freedoms and America's security (Blah blah blah, patriotism).Point is - yes, they're dicks for choosing not honor the dead and pay their respects with the rest of the country. But they have the same right to not participate as everyone does, and they choose to exercise it. It doesn't mean I agree with them for not participating in the silence, as I would have done so.Quote from: Madman Mordo on January 12, 2015, 06:06:40 PMThey're not different at all. People have the right to not pledge allegiance to a panel of cloth, just as they have the right to not pay respects to people that died. Of course, that makes them cunts, especially the latter, but they're perfectly within their jurisdiction to exercise these rights.Quote from: Naoto on January 12, 2015, 05:43:27 PMThey have a right not to be silent and people have a right to criticize them for it. I don't think anyone is trying to force them to be decent human beings.What is so hard to understand about this?
Quote from: Meta Cognition on January 12, 2015, 06:12:06 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on January 12, 2015, 06:10:10 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on January 12, 2015, 06:08:35 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on January 12, 2015, 06:06:40 PMThey're not different at all.The point is moral, not legal.Not adhering to the pledge of allegiance is illegal?I'm referring to your comment about them being within legal 'jurisdiction' to exercise a lack of respect. They have the same legal guarantees in both instances, but the difference between the two within this jurisdiction is a moral discrepancy.Okay?I'm pretty sure I missed some morality point that was brought up. All I'm saying is refusing to stand for the pledge of allegiance is as much of a right as refusing to pay respects to the recently deceased during formal hours. I don't know what morality has to do with the discussion, although if you want to talk about it I'd be more than happy to do so.
Uh huh. I don't disagree.What are you and Meta even fucking arguing about at this point?
I'm pretty sure I missed some morality point that was brought up.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on January 12, 2015, 06:15:04 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on January 12, 2015, 06:12:06 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on January 12, 2015, 06:10:10 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on January 12, 2015, 06:08:35 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on January 12, 2015, 06:06:40 PMThey're not different at all.The point is moral, not legal.Not adhering to the pledge of allegiance is illegal?I'm referring to your comment about them being within legal 'jurisdiction' to exercise a lack of respect. They have the same legal guarantees in both instances, but the difference between the two within this jurisdiction is a moral discrepancy.Okay?I'm pretty sure I missed some morality point that was brought up. All I'm saying is refusing to stand for the pledge of allegiance is as much of a right as refusing to pay respects to the recently deceased during formal hours. I don't know what morality has to do with the discussion, although if you want to talk about it I'd be more than happy to do so.You keep saying they have the right to do this as if anyone is disagreeing with you on that point. We've already said they have that right multiple times now. Who are you arguing with?
Quote from: Madman Mordo on January 12, 2015, 06:15:04 PMI'm pretty sure I missed some morality point that was brought up.I don't know what else we would be talking about. Nobody's arguing they shouldn't be allowed to exercise their freedom to expression in light of this; nobody's arguing that legal action should be taken against them. We're saying this is something you ought not to do, and they're shitty human beings for it. No doubt you agree, but just because it's a right it doesn't mean you need to add any caveats like "Well, we shouldn't stop them because it's a right." We all know that, and we're all intelligent enough to understand the implications of taking away such a right from a minority.
Some Muslim students refused to honour minute of silence in France
