No, Greeks are terrible, as evidenced by the fact that they dumped the leaders that were un-fucking their economy in favor of more social benefits that they can't fucking afford.
If you have a genuine counter of more substance than calling me a troll, please share it.
Quote from: Neth 'Asiasee on January 27, 2015, 09:29:57 AMThis is terrible, you are all terrible, misinformed and ignorant.No, Greeks are terrible, as evidenced by the fact that they dumped the leaders that were un-fucking their economy in favor of more social benefits that they can't fucking afford.
This is terrible, you are all terrible, misinformed and ignorant.
There's no "counter" because the argument doesn't exist. Nor it is part of my beliefs to argue, or reason with a cave troll. You may proceed to spread your ignorant narrow-view hate-speech all over the place.
There's no "counter" because the argument doesn't exist. Nor it is part of my beliefs to argue, or reason with a cave troll. You may proceed to spread your ignorant narrow-view hate-speech all over the place.Quote from: TrussingDoor on January 27, 2015, 09:35:35 AMIf you have a genuine counter of more substance than calling me a troll, please share it.
unless you have actual proof, other than "because I said so" you will be considered a complete fucking idiot, and not be taken seriously on this forum. I hope you do realize this.
Quote from: イサラパープル on January 27, 2015, 09:39:05 AMThere's no "counter" because the argument doesn't exist. Nor it is part of my beliefs to argue, or reason with a cave troll. You may proceed to spread your ignorant narrow-view hate-speech all over the place.Jesus fucking Christ I hope you aren't serious.
Just a friendly reminder to discuss the issue, and not to attack others.OT: As I said in the other thread, it's not like any of the candidates in the election would have truly made a huge difference. We're essentially throwing darts at a board and seeing which one is the least shitty throw.
One thing is to provide proof to back an argument, and another to be witnessing stupidity spreading like wildfire. I don't feel like writing a long-winded explanation that the misconceptions of Greek socialism
Then you're utterly and totally complicit in the spreading of this stupidity, and you really ought to drop this 'holier-than-thou' attitude. It's infuriating when somebody patently unwilling to defend their position will nonetheless participate in a discussion only to defend their initial unwillingness and insult other users. If you're just going to do that, you don't belong in Serious.
Also, yeah, austerity. Greece as a deficit which is 12pc of GDP. If they're practicing austerity, it doesn't seem they're doing it very well.
Because this, and this or even this are all qualifying examples of what does and what doesn't belong in Serious.
Yeah, tell that to the people whose homes, and jobs were taken due to the severe austerity measures.
If you have a point that is, y'know, actually relevant I'd be willing to hear it, but I don't really know what you're trying to drive at hear. There's a difference between a friendly off-hand comment within the context of a broader discussion, and then coming into a thread and declaring all those who disagree with you to be ignorant, and all those who criticise the Greeks to be hateful. Nonetheless, if those instances are examples of things which shouldn't be in Serious, I'm really at a loss regarding why you seem adamant on out-doing them. . .
If the Greek government weren't so profligate in the first instance, then the austerity measures wouldn't even be necessary. And that's still assuming any degree of proper austerity is being implemented, and it's assuming people are losing homes because of said austerity, as opposed to some other economic factor.
I do agree that, at times, penalties and measures imposed on a country by global monetary agencies and regulators can seem extreme...but you guys (Greece) kind of put yourself into this mess with the extreme amount of unchecked spending on social programs. So yeah, it's shitty now. But you can't just keep pushing it to the side and saying "More money please"
However, that doesn't give anyone the higher moral ground on raining severe policies on Greeks with that kind of excuse. If Greece has to pay its debtors -- the legitimate ones, and deal on corruption then it has to do it itself, not a committee that suggests some wild ideas and a corrupt government that is weaseling out even wilder ones.
If Greece's economy is dragging down the Euro, then yes it does.
Greece's, Spain's, Italy's, oh the list is so long. The Euro was meant to be dragged down to the dollar in the first place.Quote from: Icy on January 27, 2015, 12:34:02 PMIf Greece's economy is dragging down the Euro, then yes it does.
It's not my fault that some people are ignorant
The actions of the Greek government are filled with plenty of corruption even during the time austerity plans were being implemented and the severe economical signs were shown on people. The distrust that this caused, and also the way the banks have been behaving according to the government's tune are contributing factors to the current, disastrous situation.
I wouldn't make excuses for Spain or Italy - however, Greece is arguably in the worst position.
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