But apparently people are ready to go for it to stop the climate change as evidenced by this thread.

You're saying this like the Paris Agreement is forcing countries to do something, which it's not. The fact it allows countries to set their own goals and then they periodically check every 5 years to see if they're continuing such efforts, doesn't mean an invasion is set if they don't do so.

You make it seem like it's some strict code nations must abide by, but it's factually not. That's how Russia, China, and the EU are even so much as agreeing on anything.

Feel free to disown me though.

I think that happened a long time ago

Quote from: Flee on June 02, 2017, 05:18:47 PM

Quote from: Iberian Husky on June 02, 2017, 04:06:54 PM

Joining a coalition and invading the entire developing world is the only way you are going to stop climate change, because the biggest polluters don't give a fuck. America isn't the problem here, we're comparably pretty clean.

The US is the single largest polluter in history. Despite having only a third of India's population, it pollutes more than twice as much. While the US is one of the global top polluters per person, China doesn't even breach the top 50. Not considering small countries that account for almost nothing at a global level of pollution, it is the single largest polluter per capita in a way that absolutely dwarfs China and India. Both India and China have been taking major steps to lower their emissions.

This "why should we do anything when there's China and India" meme is just bad.

Then shouldn't America solve this issue by investing in it's own clean energy infrastructure rather than throwing money at some global commission to go and build solar panels somewhere out in Morocco?

Could they not do both at the same time? Why is it that America can only fund it's own clean energy infrastructure OR fund helping third world countries cut back on pollution.

One literally leads to the other

Quote from: Luciana on June 01, 2017, 03:53:24 PM

Quote from: Alternative Facts on June 01, 2017, 03:22:59 PM

Still, it's nice to see the rest of the world continuing to laugh at us. About time.

Yep. Europe is moving away from the US and moving towards China, who are taking their first big steps as the next superpower.

Quite the jump to conclusions no? I think if anything this'll strengthen the idea of a more centralised, independent EU. Europe will never be to China like it has been to the US and that's simply because of lack in cultural similarities and history to bridge the gaps between the two countries.

Not really. I more so meant on trade deals on what not. The EU has already gone to China to work with the climate agreement, and China is saying they will do their best on this agreement, and promising to stay firm with it. China is the next strongest power to the US, so this will be them finally taking a leadership role on an international stage, something they've been hesitant to do.

As for the EU, yeah I want to see them get stronger, more united, and not rely on just the US. The US has proven to be shaky, and the EU promotes Western Civilization values, so that's always a plus. But no, in terms of that trade stuff, that new Chinese silk road has nothing to do with the US, and if the US continues to antagonize Europe, it'll further push them off from new deals. The EU has already declared they won't discuss shit with the US government in terms of the agreement, and will go directly to companies and businesses.