http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-indiana-pizzeria-gay-rights-20150403-story.html

A fundraiser for the owners of an Indiana pizzeria that became the target of widespread animosity after they said they wouldn't cater a same-sex wedding reception has collected more than $828,000 from anonymous donors.

A GoFundMe page started by a producer from The Blaze, a conservative news network founded by Glenn Beck, has drawn more than 28,500 donors.

"The intent was to help the family stave off the burdensome cost of having the media parked out front, activists tearing them down, and no customers coming in. Our goal was simply to help take one thing off this family's plate as the strangers sought to destroy them," wrote Lawrence Jones, a producer who works for Blaze personality Dana Loesch. "But other strangers came to the rescue and the total just keeps going up."

Don't worry, they've raised almost a million dollars.

There's no shortage of people who are willing to support a business that would refuse service to gays.

It's like Chick Fil A Day all over again.

Except they didn't say they'd refuse to serve gays. They said they wouldn't cater specifically to gay weddings.

But they would do a hetero wedding. Their objection isn't to catering weddings - it's to catering gay weddings.

So, yeah, they would refuse service to gays.

LOL I should come over to America. Open up a lemonade stand and refuse service to gays, brown people and women. I'd be cool with a tenth of that donation.

Land of Freedom HURRRRR

XDDDDD

Quote from: Meta Cognition on April 04, 2015, 02:57:21 PM

Except they didn't say they'd refuse to serve gays. They said they wouldn't cater specifically to gay weddings.

But they would do a hetero wedding. Their objection isn't to catering weddings - it's to catering gay weddings.

So, yeah, they would refuse service to gays.

how DARE they have beliefs that they want to hold true to. I bet if they had beliefs as to not serve for hetero weddings you'd be all fine and dandy with their decision, because as long as they are only racist to the white man, or sexist to the man, or heterophobic, it isn't bigoted in your eyes, is it? the whole point that they were making was that people should have the right to refuse whatever kind of person they like, but just because that person is gay, or black, or a woman, suddenly they're run out of business because a bunch of bigots can't handle their beliefs.

As usual, I gotta point out that there's a significant difference between donating because you hate gay people, and donating to keep a small business afloat that was the subject of a mudslinging campaign in the media because of an isolated incident that is actually protected on a federal level and supported by the Supreme Court in other states.

Also, holy shit, I just realized I have experienced something similar to this exact situation. I hadn't thought of bringing it up before because I didn't think it was unreasonable. No doubt some will call BS on this, but whatever. When I was finding a caterer for my wedding, we first approached a small business run by a lesbian couple. Theirs was one of my favorite restaurants, and I thought my friends would appreciate going to a local business for it (most of my friends, despite being Christians, are staunch liberals). They were initially really hesitant to do it because it was at a Christian church, and eventually they gave a price quote, but it was unreasonably high. It was basically an indirect way of telling us they didn't want our business. I was totally cool with that, and we went with another caterer. It wasn't because I was Christian, it's because they didn't want to cater for an organization that they viewed as unwelcoming. It's not exactly apples to apples, but I still find it funny how cliche it ended up being.

what if

There are millions of ways to make a situation that fits an argument. There are so many hypothetical scenarios of Christian bakers refusing a gay wedding, when in reality there are definitely legitimate ideological reasons to not want to do something for some group. Regardless, this bill doesn't even cover the ubiquitous bakery example anyway, I'm just providing an anecdotal counterpoint.

Quote from: Mega Sceptile on April 04, 2015, 05:04:11 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on April 04, 2015, 04:50:33 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on April 04, 2015, 02:57:21 PM

Except they didn't say they'd refuse to serve gays. They said they wouldn't cater specifically to gay weddings.

But they would do a hetero wedding. Their objection isn't to catering weddings - it's to catering gay weddings.

So, yeah, they would refuse service to gays.

how DARE they have beliefs that they want to hold true to. I bet if they had beliefs as to not serve for hetero weddings you'd be all fine and dandy with their decision, because as long as they are only racist to the white man, or sexist to the man, or heterophobic, it isn't bigoted in your eyes, is it? the whole point that they were making was that people should have the right to refuse whatever kind of person they like, but just because that person is gay, or black, or a woman, suddenly they're run out of business because a bunch of bigots can't handle their beliefs.

No, if they refused service to hetero weddings, they'd probably have their establishment torched to the ground. I have no idea why you think that private business should have the right to discriminate against minorities....

it isn't discrimination, at all. discrimination is denying a basic, needed service to someone when there is no other option for them, refusing to serve a wedding that the owner feels isn't right isn't fucking discrimination. it's a business denying service to people that they do not feel right serving, how hard a concept is it for you fools to grasp that not everyone on the planet is going to want to serve everyone on the planet, and it is fully within the rights of a company to refuse service to anyone they see fit. more importantly, who the fuck cares? so what if they don't want to serve some gay couple's wedding, I'm sure that another pizza place would be more than happy to do it, instead of blowing up over the fact that one person was denied service because of an owner's belief people should just move on and simply go somewhere else. it's not a hard concept to grasp.

Can't say I'm surprised. I think rich conservatives tend to donate money to things that get negative media attention.

Quote from: Mad Max on April 04, 2015, 04:50:33 PM

So, yeah, they would refuse service to gays.

No. They would serve two gay men if they walked into their restaurant. They wouldn't cater a ceremony they feel is conflicting with their beliefs. Like, you might serve a skinhead, but you wouldn't cater their cross-burnings.

How is refusing to serve a gay wedding, but not a hetero one, not refusing service to gays?

What's the bigger problem here, Max? Giving the government the power to enforce behavior and conduct, at the point of a gun, within people's own private property, or a tiny tiny percentage of gays not being served in restaurants?

The fact of the matter is this entire situation has been completely mischaracterized amongst the deluge of vitriol and indignation. Memories Pizza has never discriminated against homosexual people as individuals. They just don't cater to gay weddings. So fucking what? There are businesses out there that don't cater to skinheads, as is their right. I don't see a rallying call for the rights of skinheads to be upheld.

And yeah, just to add a little addendum, people were threatening to burn down the business simply for having the gall not to cater to a specific wedding. Just thought I should throw that in there.

Quote from: Madman Mordo on April 04, 2015, 09:20:25 PM

Memories Pizza has never discriminated against homosexual people as individuals. They just don't cater to gay weddings.

You don't see the conflict between these two sentences? Who do you think attends gay weddings?

Not at all. I'm against Weaboo culture, but that doesn't mean I'm against Weaboos as individuals. Refusing to serve someone because you disagree with what they're doing is not the same as refusing to serve someone because of who they are. I don't think either should be criminally penalized by the state, but Memories Pizza do not discriminate against gay people as individuals, which is what the left would like to you believe.

Quote from: Madman Mordo on April 04, 2015, 09:28:42 PM

Memories Pizza do not discriminate against gay people as individuals, which is what the left would like to you believe.

...unless those individuals are getting married.

And at the end of the day, that's the business' loss, not theirs. There are plenty of other wedding caterers out there that serve gay marriages. It's kind of what we call a free market.

Quote from: Madman Mordo on April 04, 2015, 09:32:07 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on April 04, 2015, 09:30:20 PM

Quote from: Madman Mordo on April 04, 2015, 09:28:42 PM

Memories Pizza do not discriminate against gay people as individuals, which is what the left would like to you believe.

...unless those individuals are getting married.

And at the end of the day, that's the business' loss, not theirs. There are plenty of other wedding caterers out there that serve gay marriages. It's kind of what we call a free market.

Right, which is great. But to say that Memories doesn't/wouldn't discriminate against gays is disingenuous, given that they've publicly stated they would not cater a gay wedding.

If catering a wedding wasn't something they did - fine. But if they would cater a straight wedding but not a gay wedding, that's different.

Well if you want to take the pedant route, sure, they discriminate on the types of weddings they cater to. But as I've been saying, that does not equate to the discrimination of gay people as individual consumers.

It's really not any different to how other caterers handle their business. There are businesses out there that serve white weddings, but not Gothic weddings. Jewish weddings, but not Christian weddings. Military weddings, but not civil partnerships etc etc. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a business that specifically catered to gay weddings, but not straight. The point is there are myriad different types of wedding caterers that accommodate marriages based on either what the market dictates, or personal belief. It's a prime example of how the market is perfectly able regulate itself without damaging consumer sovereignty, and at the same time, avoiding government intervention.

The only reason everyone is up in arms is because homosexual people are involved, and anything involving the exclusion of homosexuals is seen as an affront to society for some reason.

>pizza place wont cater gay weddings
"Well just go somewhere else!"
>people go somewhere else
"What a bunch of butthurt liberals!"

Can't fuckin' win, dude.