Bit in all seriousness, it seems like this guy more wants to send out a message and make it clear that Islamophobia is a serious thing. I don't agree with the law itself, but I do agree with the fact that Islamophobia is a major problem and should be treated as such.
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 26, 2015, 11:16:21 PMBit in all seriousness, it seems like this guy more wants to send out a message and make it clear that Islamophobia is a serious thing. I don't agree with the law itself, but I do agree with the fact that Islamophobia is a major problem and should be treated as such.Come now, I know you're smarter than this.Islamophobia is just a thinly veiled attempt to silence discourse by pulling out the discrimination card. You aren't born Islamic, just like you aren't born a Satanist, yet I don't see any serious legislation being posited in government to try and curtail "Satanophobia." Islam is a religion, ergo an idea (a fairly pernicious one at that too) and should be afforded the same amount of scrutiny as the other religions. Let's cut the PC bullshit.
> Stops bigotry> Is somehow badlol moron
Quote from: Shub-Niggurath on April 26, 2015, 10:55:27 PM> Stops bigotry> Is somehow badlol moron>not everything is so black and whiteExample: Hitler's aims involved ending anti-Semitism.... by killing every Jew.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on April 26, 2015, 11:56:39 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 26, 2015, 11:16:21 PMBit in all seriousness, it seems like this guy more wants to send out a message and make it clear that Islamophobia is a serious thing. I don't agree with the law itself, but I do agree with the fact that Islamophobia is a major problem and should be treated as such.Come now, I know you're smarter than this.Islamophobia is just a thinly veiled attempt to silence discourse by pulling out the discrimination card. You aren't born Islamic, just like you aren't born a Satanist, yet I don't see any serious legislation being posited in government to try and curtail "Satanophobia." Islam is a religion, ergo an idea (a fairly pernicious one at that too) and should be afforded the same amount of scrutiny as the other religions. Let's cut the PC bullshit.Again, I said that I don't agree with the law he's proposing. And Islamophobia tends to tie in with racism against Arabs even if they're Christian. There was a hate crime attack not too long ago where a nearby Syrian or Lebanese Orthodox church was burned down just because they were ethnically Arab.If Islamophobia was just the religion, I wouldn't care. But any Arab can be victim to it.
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 27, 2015, 12:06:26 AMQuote from: Madman Mordo on April 26, 2015, 11:56:39 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 26, 2015, 11:16:21 PMBit in all seriousness, it seems like this guy more wants to send out a message and make it clear that Islamophobia is a serious thing. I don't agree with the law itself, but I do agree with the fact that Islamophobia is a major problem and should be treated as such.Come now, I know you're smarter than this.Islamophobia is just a thinly veiled attempt to silence discourse by pulling out the discrimination card. You aren't born Islamic, just like you aren't born a Satanist, yet I don't see any serious legislation being posited in government to try and curtail "Satanophobia." Islam is a religion, ergo an idea (a fairly pernicious one at that too) and should be afforded the same amount of scrutiny as the other religions. Let's cut the PC bullshit.Again, I said that I don't agree with the law he's proposing. And Islamophobia tends to tie in with racism against Arabs even if they're Christian. There was a hate crime attack not too long ago where a nearby Syrian or Lebanese Orthodox church was burned down just because they were ethnically Arab.If Islamophobia was just the religion, I wouldn't care. But any Arab can be victim to it.We already have a word for being intolerant towards a specific ethnicity, and it's certainly not Islamophobia.Conflating criticisms of a doctrine with racism is very dangerous. This is how censorship gradually comes into fruition.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on April 27, 2015, 12:12:53 AMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 27, 2015, 12:06:26 AMQuote from: Madman Mordo on April 26, 2015, 11:56:39 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 26, 2015, 11:16:21 PMBit in all seriousness, it seems like this guy more wants to send out a message and make it clear that Islamophobia is a serious thing. I don't agree with the law itself, but I do agree with the fact that Islamophobia is a major problem and should be treated as such.Come now, I know you're smarter than this.Islamophobia is just a thinly veiled attempt to silence discourse by pulling out the discrimination card. You aren't born Islamic, just like you aren't born a Satanist, yet I don't see any serious legislation being posited in government to try and curtail "Satanophobia." Islam is a religion, ergo an idea (a fairly pernicious one at that too) and should be afforded the same amount of scrutiny as the other religions. Let's cut the PC bullshit.Again, I said that I don't agree with the law he's proposing. And Islamophobia tends to tie in with racism against Arabs even if they're Christian. There was a hate crime attack not too long ago where a nearby Syrian or Lebanese Orthodox church was burned down just because they were ethnically Arab.If Islamophobia was just the religion, I wouldn't care. But any Arab can be victim to it.We already have a word for being intolerant towards a specific ethnicity, and it's certainly not Islamophobia.Conflating criticisms of a doctrine with racism is very dangerous. This is how censorship gradually comes into fruition.Yeah. I'm living in the US, and there's definitely your fair amount of discrimination against Arabs here. I dunno, you have a point though. Can't legislate people not hating certain ethnic groups. You can legislate laws, but you can't legislate their mentality.
Quote from: Sargon of Akkad on April 27, 2015, 10:21:57 AMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 27, 2015, 12:06:26 AMQuote from: Madman Mordo on April 26, 2015, 11:56:39 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 26, 2015, 11:16:21 PMBit in all seriousness, it seems like this guy more wants to send out a message and make it clear that Islamophobia is a serious thing. I don't agree with the law itself, but I do agree with the fact that Islamophobia is a major problem and should be treated as such.Come now, I know you're smarter than this.Islamophobia is just a thinly veiled attempt to silence discourse by pulling out the discrimination card. You aren't born Islamic, just like you aren't born a Satanist, yet I don't see any serious legislation being posited in government to try and curtail "Satanophobia." Islam is a religion, ergo an idea (a fairly pernicious one at that too) and should be afforded the same amount of scrutiny as the other religions. Let's cut the PC bullshit.Again, I said that I don't agree with the law he's proposing. And Islamophobia tends to tie in with racism against Arabs even if they're Christian. There was a hate crime attack not too long ago where a nearby Syrian or Lebanese Orthodox church was burned down just because they were ethnically Arab.If Islamophobia was just the religion, I wouldn't care. But any Arab can be victim to it.>Syrain Christian>calling them ethnically ArabEnjoy getting the shit kicked out of you.Syrians are Arabs. Whether they're Muslim, Christian, or Jewish is irrelevant.
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 27, 2015, 12:06:26 AMQuote from: Madman Mordo on April 26, 2015, 11:56:39 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 26, 2015, 11:16:21 PMBit in all seriousness, it seems like this guy more wants to send out a message and make it clear that Islamophobia is a serious thing. I don't agree with the law itself, but I do agree with the fact that Islamophobia is a major problem and should be treated as such.Come now, I know you're smarter than this.Islamophobia is just a thinly veiled attempt to silence discourse by pulling out the discrimination card. You aren't born Islamic, just like you aren't born a Satanist, yet I don't see any serious legislation being posited in government to try and curtail "Satanophobia." Islam is a religion, ergo an idea (a fairly pernicious one at that too) and should be afforded the same amount of scrutiny as the other religions. Let's cut the PC bullshit.Again, I said that I don't agree with the law he's proposing. And Islamophobia tends to tie in with racism against Arabs even if they're Christian. There was a hate crime attack not too long ago where a nearby Syrian or Lebanese Orthodox church was burned down just because they were ethnically Arab.If Islamophobia was just the religion, I wouldn't care. But any Arab can be victim to it.>Syrain Christian>calling them ethnically ArabEnjoy getting the shit kicked out of you.
Islam = The religion of PISS
Quote from: Not Comms Officer on April 27, 2015, 02:43:27 AMQuote from: Madman Mordo on April 27, 2015, 12:12:53 AMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 27, 2015, 12:06:26 AMQuote from: Madman Mordo on April 26, 2015, 11:56:39 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 26, 2015, 11:16:21 PMBit in all seriousness, it seems like this guy more wants to send out a message and make it clear that Islamophobia is a serious thing. I don't agree with the law itself, but I do agree with the fact that Islamophobia is a major problem and should be treated as such.Come now, I know you're smarter than this.Islamophobia is just a thinly veiled attempt to silence discourse by pulling out the discrimination card. You aren't born Islamic, just like you aren't born a Satanist, yet I don't see any serious legislation being posited in government to try and curtail "Satanophobia." Islam is a religion, ergo an idea (a fairly pernicious one at that too) and should be afforded the same amount of scrutiny as the other religions. Let's cut the PC bullshit.Again, I said that I don't agree with the law he's proposing. And Islamophobia tends to tie in with racism against Arabs even if they're Christian. There was a hate crime attack not too long ago where a nearby Syrian or Lebanese Orthodox church was burned down just because they were ethnically Arab.If Islamophobia was just the religion, I wouldn't care. But any Arab can be victim to it.We already have a word for being intolerant towards a specific ethnicity, and it's certainly not Islamophobia.Conflating criticisms of a doctrine with racism is very dangerous. This is how censorship gradually comes into fruition.Yeah. I'm living in the US, and there's definitely your fair amount of discrimination against Arabs here. I dunno, you have a point though. Can't legislate people not hating certain ethnic groups. You can legislate laws, but you can't legislate their mentality.What part do you live in? I'm in NC, right next to one of the biggest Army bases, and I've never seen any real discrimination. My best friend as a little kid was the son of Pakistani immigrants, and he was one of the better-liked people in his class. We would hang out all the time and my parents and relatively xenophobic relatives never said anything about it, aside from a really poorly done Iraq war joke from my mother. I didn't even know what Islam was until years later, because there was never any real discussion of cultural differences. We just played pokemon and yugioh and cops and robbers and that was it. If there can be no issues arising in a place like this, I have trouble seeing how prevalent discrimination can be elsewhere.
Quote from: challengerX on April 27, 2015, 10:52:38 AMQuote from: Sargon of Akkad on April 27, 2015, 10:21:57 AMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 27, 2015, 12:06:26 AMQuote from: Madman Mordo on April 26, 2015, 11:56:39 PMQuote from: Not Comms Officer on April 26, 2015, 11:16:21 PMBit in all seriousness, it seems like this guy more wants to send out a message and make it clear that Islamophobia is a serious thing. I don't agree with the law itself, but I do agree with the fact that Islamophobia is a major problem and should be treated as such.Come now, I know you're smarter than this.Islamophobia is just a thinly veiled attempt to silence discourse by pulling out the discrimination card. You aren't born Islamic, just like you aren't born a Satanist, yet I don't see any serious legislation being posited in government to try and curtail "Satanophobia." Islam is a religion, ergo an idea (a fairly pernicious one at that too) and should be afforded the same amount of scrutiny as the other religions. Let's cut the PC bullshit.Again, I said that I don't agree with the law he's proposing. And Islamophobia tends to tie in with racism against Arabs even if they're Christian. There was a hate crime attack not too long ago where a nearby Syrian or Lebanese Orthodox church was burned down just because they were ethnically Arab.If Islamophobia was just the religion, I wouldn't care. But any Arab can be victim to it.>Syrain Christian>calling them ethnically ArabEnjoy getting the shit kicked out of you.Syrians are Arabs. Whether they're Muslim, Christian, or Jewish is irrelevant.Syria's largest Christian group IIRC, the Assyrians, are not Arabs, and to suggest they are is to back up decades of attempts at forceful assimilation by their Arab neighbors.There are Arab Christians in Syria but Christians in the country are fairly diverse.
So Labour wants to introduce legislation to tackle "Islamophobia"
