So, drunk drivers who kill somebody are charged with manslaughter?

 
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Fuck that.

It should be murder.

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Damn right.

If you drink and drive, I hope you wrap yourself around a lamp-post and rid the world of your stupidity. But that only happens rarely, and these bastards always seem to kill someone else whilst surviving themselves.

Scum.

 
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Eh, doesn't fit the requirements of a murder charge, really. Unless you get wasted and tell your bro that you're going to go run over your ex on her way back from work or something.

 
 
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Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on September 17, 2014, 01:00:03 PM
Eh, doesn't fit the requirements of a murder charge, really. Unless you get wasted and tell your bro that you're going to go run over your ex on her way back from work or something.
Murder is simply manslaughter but with malice aforethought and, supposedly, reduced culpability.

I don't think drink driving meets either of those exceptions.

 
 
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Quote from: Meta Cognition on September 17, 2014, 01:01:38 PM
Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on September 17, 2014, 01:00:03 PM
Eh, doesn't fit the requirements of a murder charge, really. Unless you get wasted and tell your bro that you're going to go run over your ex on her way back from work or something.
Murder is simply manslaughter but with malice aforethought and, supposedly, reduced culpability.

I don't think drink driving meets either of those exceptions.
Wait, are you agreeing with me or not?

 
 
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Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on September 17, 2014, 01:07:15 PM
Quote from: Meta Cognition on September 17, 2014, 01:01:38 PM
Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on September 17, 2014, 01:00:03 PM
Eh, doesn't fit the requirements of a murder charge, really. Unless you get wasted and tell your bro that you're going to go run over your ex on her way back from work or something.
Murder is simply manslaughter but with malice aforethought and, supposedly, reduced culpability.

I don't think drink driving meets either of those exceptions.
Wait, are you agreeing with me or not?
No, that was worded badly.

What I mean is that I don't think people who drink drive are without malice aforethought, and I think they're fully culpable.

 
 
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Quote from: Meta Cognition on September 17, 2014, 01:08:28 PM
Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on September 17, 2014, 01:07:15 PM
Quote from: Meta Cognition on September 17, 2014, 01:01:38 PM
Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on September 17, 2014, 01:00:03 PM
Eh, doesn't fit the requirements of a murder charge, really. Unless you get wasted and tell your bro that you're going to go run over your ex on her way back from work or something.
Murder is simply manslaughter but with malice aforethought and, supposedly, reduced culpability.

I don't think drink driving meets either of those exceptions.
Wait, are you agreeing with me or not?
No, that was worded badly.

What I mean is that I don't think people who drink drive are without malice aforethought, and I think they're fully culpable.
I'll agree with he last part, you should make sure you won't be driving before you start drinking, but I can't say that there's explicitly malicious intent when one makes the careless decision to do drive drunk.

 
 
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Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on September 17, 2014, 01:14:47 PM
I'll agree with he last part, you should make sure you won't be driving before you start drinking, but I can't say that there's explicitly malicious intent when one makes the careless decision to do drive drunk.
I'd argue the negligence from driving a car while drunk constitutes a form of malice. Without getting into jurisprudence, though, the punishment for these cases of drunk driving need to be considered more seriously.

 
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The American legal definition of murder involves premeditation.

 
 
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Quote from: Mad Max on September 17, 2014, 02:24:04 PM
The American legal definition of murder involves premeditation.
I thought it was just malicious aforethought?

I can't speak for America, but I believe over here that murder is split into categories in which pre-meditation is and isn't a factor.

Like, a man stabbing another in the head with a screwdriver because he cut him off in traffic is murder. But so is luring a man to your house, tying him down and cutting his throat.

The latter is the one which is pre-meditated, however.

 
 
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Quote from: Meta Cognition on September 17, 2014, 02:33:27 PM
Quote from: Mad Max on September 17, 2014, 02:24:04 PM
The American legal definition of murder involves premeditation.
I thought it was just malicious aforethought?

I can't speak for America, but I believe over here that murder is split into categories in which pre-meditation is and isn't a factor.

Like, a man stabbing another in the head with a screwdriver because he cut him off in traffic is murder. But so is luring a man to your house, tying him down and cutting his throat.

The latter is the one which is pre-meditated, however.
First degree murder involves premeditation, second degree does not.
Voluntary manslaughter is second degree but the offender was rendered emotionally or mentally unstable at the time of the offense.

 
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I'd count it as manslaughter.


Sure, they are a fucking idiot for driving while drunk, but it doesn't ignore the fact they didn't go out to kill someone. They wanted to get home, and made a really big fucking mistake.