So California Signed a Climate Change Agreement with China

 
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California Gov. Jerry Brown (D) signed an agreement to work with China to lower greenhouse gas emissions Tuesday, just days after President Trump pulled the United States out of an international climate change agreement.

The agreement, though nonbinding, aims to expand cooperation between China and California on renewable energy, zero-emission vehicles and low-carbon urban development, Brown’s office said. It will establish a joint working group of Chinese and Californian officials to come up with ways to work together, and to invest in programs that would cut carbon emissions.

Brown signed the pact with Wan Gang, China’s minister of science and technology, before meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping.

“California is the leading economic state in America and we are also the pioneering state on clean technology, cap and trade, electric vehicles and batteries, but we can’t do it alone,” Brown said Tuesday. “We need a very close partnership with China, with your businesses, with your provinces, with your universities.”
Brown is in the middle of a weeklong trip to China, where he has signed similar agreements with leaders from Sichuan and Jiangsu provinces. Brown will headline the Under2 Clean Energy Forum on Wednesday in Beijing, a gathering of 170 cities, states and nations working to keep the global average temperature increase under two degrees Celsius.

Energy Secretary Rick Perry, the former Texas governor, is also attending the meeting in Beijing. Perry said Tuesday the Trump administration will pursue an “all of the above” energy strategy, according to the Associated Press.

Brown was sharply critical of Trump’s decision to pull the U.S. out of the Paris climate accord, reached last year by all but two other nations. Brown, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) and Washington Gov. Jay Inslee (D) established the U.S. Climate Alliance to push states to adhere to the goals of the Paris agreement, even after Trump’s decision.

“The president has already said climate change is a hoax, which is the exact opposite of virtually all scientific and worldwide opinion,” Brown said. “I don’t believe fighting reality is a good strategy.”

On Monday, the three Democrats said nine other states and Puerto Rico had joined their pledge to uphold the accord. Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont and Virginia all agreed to reduce carbon emissions to between 26 percent and 28 percent below 2005 levels, while meeting targets of the Clean Power Plan, an Obama-era rule the Trump administration has revoked.

Seven of the nine states are led by Democratic governors. Vermont and Massachusetts are led by Republicans.

“Our administration looks forward to continued, bipartisan collaboration with other states to protect the environment, grow the economy and deliver a brighter future to the next generation,” Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker (R) said in a statement.

“Growing our economy and protecting our environment by supporting clearer anymore affordable energy and transportation choices can go together,” Vermont Gov. Phil Scott (R) said. “If our national government isn’t willing to lead in this area, the states are prepared to step up and lead.”

It's a bit astonishing that China is now creating agreements with US states, as opposed to the US as a whole. Though it is California.


 
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We'll see how big the 10th Amendment is


 
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I for one support this increase in the power of individual states to negotiate deals and treaties with foreign governments without federal approval.


 
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I for one support this increase in the power of individual states to negotiate deals and treaties with foreign governments without federal approval.
I think it should have some sort of restrictions, but yeah it doesn't seem too bad. Sorta.


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I for one support this increase in the power of individual states to negotiate deals and treaties with foreign governments without federal approval.
Cali is a democrat stronghold. Trump won Michigan when factories were emptied. Don't see how this will benefit the democrats.


 
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I for one support this increase in the power of individual states to negotiate deals and treaties with foreign governments without federal approval.
Cali is a democrat stronghold. Trump won Michigan when factories were emptied. Don't see how this will benefit the democrats.
I don't think any of what you said is really relevant

which means you're running out of Trump material for this bit


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I for one support this increase in the power of individual states to negotiate deals and treaties with foreign governments without federal approval.
Cali is a democrat stronghold. Trump won Michigan when factories were emptied. Don't see how this will benefit the democrats.
I don't think any of what you said is really relevant

which means you're running out of Trump material for this bit
It makes more sense if you are talking about a Republican/Libertarian state but democrats would never allow the federal government to have less control over the states.


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I think Oergon and Hawaii did too.

Gonna be interesting to see how the GOP reacts. It puts them in an ideological bind. They are big on state rights and are big constitutionalists. This goes against the the Supremacy Clause in that they are opposed to the fed on this, but on a state's rights view it's almost an extreme take. Conversely the Democrats will be weakened by this as they are strong federalists, but are taking action on a hot button issue.

What a topsy turvey world we live in


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I'm all for state's rights, but above all I'm a Constitutionalist, and California is out of line here. While first it may be something innocuous like a climate change agreement, next thing you know it's gonna be refugees. It should be strictly the job of the Federal government to control borders and conduct diplomacy with other foreign governments.

The Federal government should send in the National Guard and have Jeremy Brown made an example and deposed of. Individual states getting uppity and choosing to just ignore the Constitution on their own whim is not something that should be taken lightly, regardless of whichever idiot may be in power.
To be fair, it is in a "grey" area. 10th Amendment covers the extent of states rights, but the Contract Clause forbids states from entering alliances, contracts, or confederations even with the consent of Congress (although agreements and compacts were distinctly distinguished from these in Holmes v. Jennison, 1840). It will be interesting to see where this goes.


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First the Zimmerman Telegram, now this.

Can we just fucking drone Merkel already?

Ignoring the warmongering in your post, this is pretty interesting in that so many leaders are just writing off Trump and those who support him.


 
 
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Look, A fucking hate Merkel as much as the next guy but this post is just:



Merkel has done more harm to Europe than Hitler.


 
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With the increasingly militant rhetoric from the right (it's more than just on this forum) I am wondering if we're seeing the start of the second American civil war. California signing this accord could be seen in a hundred years as the historical equivalent of California's ratification as a abolitionist state. 


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Really makes you fucking think how Merkel pushes so hard for a United States of Europe then turns around and treats the US like it's the HRE.
Holy Roman Empire?


They will rise again.

Also ironic because the HRE is... German. So the Germans treating the US like Germans is funny.


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
Really makes you fucking think how Merkel pushes so hard for a United States of Europe then turns around and treats the US like it's the HRE.
Holy Roman Empire?


They will rise again.

Also ironic because the HRE is... German. So the Germans treating the US like Germans is funny.
I realize it wasn't the best, but am I the only one who got his metaphor?
Towards the end, the HRE was an empire in name only, with individual provinces having more authority over their own realms than the collective leadership did. He's likening the way other nations want to deal with individual states here to that period of the HRE, calling it somewhat hypocritical since the German government wants to push for a more unified European nation under the EU while seeking to undermine US federal authority.


 
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Really makes you fucking think how Merkel pushes so hard for a United States of Europe then turns around and treats the US like it's the HRE.
Holy Roman Empire?


They will rise again.

Also ironic because the HRE is... German. So the Germans treating the US like Germans is funny.
I realize it wasn't the best, but am I the only one who got his metaphor?
Towards the end, the HRE was an empire in name only, with individual provinces having more authority over their own realms than the collective leadership did. He's likening the way other nations want to deal with individual states here to that period of the HRE, calling it somewhat hypocritical since the German government wants to push for a more unified European nation under the EU while seeking to undermine US federal authority.
The HRE was always really like that after that one deal they had in which I forgot. It's majority of history has been like that.

I got the comparison (and it was a good one), I just like to meme it hard whenever the HRE is mentioned.

Also, it's the states willingness to really undermine it and reach out to the EU/China, more so than the other way around.
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The HRE was neither Holy, nor was it Roman and it certainly wasn't an Empire.

WHAT

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It's sorta funny, but they fucked up on the WW1 meme


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
It's sorta funny, but they fucked up on the WW1 meme
And WWII, and Luther, and the Roman opposition...
And the HRE.
The world would be a better place if Vercingetorix had won his land's freedom and also if Widukind had won his rebellion. Cristianity and therefore Catholicism is inherently anti-european (your holy land is in a desert, not a european forest) and Luther was right to weaken the church. And we of the free world were wrong to side with Stalin and the Soviets over the Fascists and Nazis.


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