Is fundamentalism growing?

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Take a look at Islam. Take a look at the Tea Party, or just the entire Bible Belt.
I'm speaking about society as an aggregate.

I imagine the Muslims ashamed of ISIS or the citizens generally fed up with the polarisation of American politics outnumber those more ideological loyalists.
do they do anything to stop it? No
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/26/kurds-rush-across-turkey-defend-kobani-isis-syria
Except the Kurds, a predominately  Islam majority ethnic group, are trying to stop them. And don't forget the Arab coalition being led by the U.S to fight ISIS
Hey buddy, I know who the fuck the Kurds are. Don't talk to me as if you inform me of anything when you're the most uneducated person on this site.

My point is Muslim society does not discourage these types of radical extremists, if anything it encourages it. Poverty and a society focused on religion over real education leads to this shit.
So mad :^]

Turkey, Morocco, Iran, Suadi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, and other countries don't encourage radical extremists or have them running around. They're countries I would also love to visit. Know what encourages extremism? Fear. When your village is surrounded by men with guns and are known to kill anybody in their way, people won't do shit
Not mad at all. I'm just informing you to watch your tone, because you're very uneducated and it would be very out of place for you to think you inform others, especially when said other person is actually from that region and actually knows his history.

Muslim/Arab society encourages extremism by encouraging ignorance. School is unimportant and science is not seen as important at all. While at the same time religion is regarded as extremely important. Group ignorance, poverty, and fundamentalism together and you have what we see today. Of course Western meddling made things far worse and is still making them far worse, but it is up to the Arabs to stand up to the extremists that tarnish their beloved religion and Prophet.

Don't group Iran in with Arab countries, they're two very different societies. As you can see, there are little Iranian terrorists in the Middle East, and zero outside of that region. As for the government being one of the largest sponsors of terrorism, that's true. But then, the government is hated or at least disliked by most Iranians. There are revolutionaries that regret ever revolting against the Shah and are embarrassed by the state of Iran today.
Wtf is this, the damn Middle-Ages. Bro, I'm highly intelligent and educated, especially when it comes to the areas of history and geography. I know what I'm talking about. You watch your tone

And as I pointed out, there's several Arab countries that don't encourage extremism. What encourages it is fear. Lack of education is part of it but fear is where the blunt force of it is really at. Even if everybody was educated, men with guns watching them and threatening to kill them won't change anything
No you aren't. I'm not even trying to insult, you just aren't.

What men with guns? What are you talking about? Fear of who? You seem to be missing the point.
Nah, you're just an idiot. No need to say any more

Ever hear a group called ISIS? They're this group of crazy Muslims that have guns and everybody is scared of them
Right, and Muslim society along with poverty breeds groups like ISIS.

How is this so difficult for you to understand?
Because there are Muslim countries that don't have groups like ISIS

How is this so difficult for you to understand?


 
 
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Because there are Muslim countries that don't have groups like ISIS

Yes, but those Muslim countries tend not to be dirt poor.

The UAE and Saudi Arabia being two examples.


 
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Because there are Muslim countries that don't have groups like ISIS

Yes, but those Muslim countries tend not to be dirt poor.

The UAE and Saudi Arabia being two examples.

Well fook my ignorance, I genuinely thought that the two were the same country and that it was an interchangeable name. Bladdy hell.


 
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Bro, I'm highly intelligent and educated, especially when it comes to the areas of history and geography. I know what I'm talking about. You watch your tone



If you are that educated, you've yet to demonstrate it.
You're the one that hasn't demonstrated it

Refer to my previous gif.

One of the biggest problems in the Middle East that helps to encourage extremists and fundamentalists is the vast poverty. People don't have any money or a way to get money, you're going to do what you can. Even if it means join a group beheading people.

Poverty is the root of most problems, to be honest.
Last Edit: September 28, 2014, 05:53:46 PM by IcyWind


 
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Because there are Muslim countries that don't have groups like ISIS

Yes, but those Muslim countries tend not to be dirt poor.

The UAE and Saudi Arabia being two examples.

Well fook my ignorance, I genuinely thought that the two were the same country and that it was an interchangeable name. Bladdy hell.
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Because there are Muslim countries that don't have groups like ISIS

Yes, but those Muslim countries tend not to be dirt poor.

The UAE and Saudi Arabia being two examples.

Well fook my ignorance, I genuinely thought that the two were the same country and that it was an interchangeable name. Bladdy hell.
Nah, Saudi Arabia is the big piece of land under Iraq with Yemen and Oman to the south of that

UAE is to the east of Saudi Arabia and above Oman


 
 
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Because there are Muslim countries that don't have groups like ISIS

Yes, but those Muslim countries tend not to be dirt poor.

The UAE and Saudi Arabia being two examples.

Well fook my ignorance, I genuinely thought that the two were the same country and that it was an interchangeable name. Bladdy hell.
Nah, Saudi Arabia is the big piece of land under Iraq with Yemen and Oman to the south of that

UAE is to the east of Saudi Arabia and above Oman

I know that now, I only realised when I took a closer look at my map >.>


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Take a look at Islam. Take a look at the Tea Party, or just the entire Bible Belt.
I'm speaking about society as an aggregate.

I imagine the Muslims ashamed of ISIS or the citizens generally fed up with the polarisation of American politics outnumber those more ideological loyalists.
do they do anything to stop it? No
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/26/kurds-rush-across-turkey-defend-kobani-isis-syria
Except the Kurds, a predominately  Islam majority ethnic group, are trying to stop them. And don't forget the Arab coalition being led by the U.S to fight ISIS
Hey buddy, I know who the fuck the Kurds are. Don't talk to me as if you inform me of anything when you're the most uneducated person on this site.

My point is Muslim society does not discourage these types of radical extremists, if anything it encourages it. Poverty and a society focused on religion over real education leads to this shit.
So mad :^]

Turkey, Morocco, Iran, Suadi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, and other countries don't encourage radical extremists or have them running around. They're countries I would also love to visit. Know what encourages extremism? Fear. When your village is surrounded by men with guns and are known to kill anybody in their way, people won't do shit
Not mad at all. I'm just informing you to watch your tone, because you're very uneducated and it would be very out of place for you to think you inform others, especially when said other person is actually from that region and actually knows his history.

Muslim/Arab society encourages extremism by encouraging ignorance. School is unimportant and science is not seen as important at all. While at the same time religion is regarded as extremely important. Group ignorance, poverty, and fundamentalism together and you have what we see today. Of course Western meddling made things far worse and is still making them far worse, but it is up to the Arabs to stand up to the extremists that tarnish their beloved religion and Prophet.

Don't group Iran in with Arab countries, they're two very different societies. As you can see, there are little Iranian terrorists in the Middle East, and zero outside of that region. As for the government being one of the largest sponsors of terrorism, that's true. But then, the government is hated or at least disliked by most Iranians. There are revolutionaries that regret ever revolting against the Shah and are embarrassed by the state of Iran today.
Wtf is this, the damn Middle-Ages. Bro, I'm highly intelligent and educated, especially when it comes to the areas of history and geography. I know what I'm talking about. You watch your tone

And as I pointed out, there's several Arab countries that don't encourage extremism. What encourages it is fear. Lack of education is part of it but fear is where the blunt force of it is really at. Even if everybody was educated, men with guns watching them and threatening to kill them won't change anything
No you aren't. I'm not even trying to insult, you just aren't.

What men with guns? What are you talking about? Fear of who? You seem to be missing the point.
Nah, you're just an idiot. No need to say any more

Ever hear a group called ISIS? They're this group of crazy Muslims that have guns and everybody is scared of them
Right, and Muslim society along with poverty breeds groups like ISIS.

How is this so difficult for you to understand?
Because there are Muslim countries that don't have groups like ISIS

How is this so difficult for you to understand?
And yet it is ONLY Muslim countries/societies that breed these groups in this day and age.

Every Arab country has an AQ group, plus tons of other similar groups, along with the Taliban and Hezbollah. There's like 30 different groups in Palestine alone. Or did you think ISIS is the only Arab terrorist group?
And I did say lack of education is a factor but not fear is the bigger of the two. Saudi Arabia is ranked at #110 on the education index, making it a very uneducated country but it's not under the disarray as Pakistan, Syria, or Iraq

Fear is the biggest factor, followed by low education and poverty. And when you have a group of people threatening everybody in your village, nobody will try to fight back


 
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I'm pretty active in a couple churches and really disagree with the idea that fundamentalism is growing — in fact, I'd assert the opposite. You see a ton of compromise and watering-down of doctrine in modern churches.
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
I have to interject that it isn't fear which drives fundamentalism, but group psychology.

The beasts of ISIS are motivated, just as much as by their beliefs, as the sense of community that ISIS offers them. It's the same reason church-goers are generally more charitable than non-church-goers. To switch out fear for insult, and a perceived attack on the group, I think would be a stronger determinant for fundamentalism, and it is the poverty-induced ignorance which can lead them to the beliefs which act as the steering wheel of the community - which would be the engine.

As for opposition to fundamentalism? Fear can often by the largest motivation for reaction. Indeed, whatever you deny people, they will simply take at one point or another. The only way in which you couldn't fight people like this while fearful is hope that it won't last forever.


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