Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on September 26, 2014, 01:11:14 PM

Why not just pass an amendment giving them a representative and two senators without making them a state?

Because it sets a dangerous precedent. Texas and like, half the South, will want to secede but still have representation in Congress.

But if they secede they have no claim to stay in congress.

Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on September 26, 2014, 01:24:06 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on September 26, 2014, 01:22:58 PM

Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on September 26, 2014, 01:11:14 PM

Why not just pass an amendment giving them a representative and two senators without making them a state?

Because it sets a dangerous precedent. Texas and like, half the South, will want to secede but still have representation in Congress.

But if they secede they have no claim to stay in congress.

Not if we say non-states can have representation in Congress.

But they won't be part of the nation anymore, and DC is federal ground, right?

The US Constitution vests the Congress with the sole power to create and administer the capital in Section 8:

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;

The idea was to avoid making the US capital the pawn of any one state or the subject of any state's laws.

The U.S. Constitution requires that any new states formed from an existing state receive permission from the legislature. Since Maryland granted land to form the national capital and not a new state, some lawmakers have concluded that Maryland must also consent to the new state

Quote from: Kinder_ on September 29, 2014, 04:02:01 PM

The US Constitution vests the Congress with the sole power to create and administer the capital in Section 8:

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;

The idea was to avoid making the US capital the pawn of any one state or the subject of any state's laws.

The U.S. Constitution requires that any new states formed from an existing state receive permission from the legislature. Since Maryland granted land to form the national capital and not a new state, some lawmakers have concluded that Maryland must also consent to the new state

Thanks for sharing something we all know.

It's the answer to your question

Quote from: Kinder_ on September 29, 2014, 08:27:31 PM

Quote from: IcyWind on September 29, 2014, 07:24:45 PM

Quote from: Kinder_ on September 29, 2014, 04:02:01 PM

The US Constitution vests the Congress with the sole power to create and administer the capital in Section 8:

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;

The idea was to avoid making the US capital the pawn of any one state or the subject of any state's laws.

The U.S. Constitution requires that any new states formed from an existing state receive permission from the legislature. Since Maryland granted land to form the national capital and not a new state, some lawmakers have concluded that Maryland must also consent to the new state

Thanks for sharing something we all know.

It's the answer to your question

Not really.

Well the Federal government needs a place to run operation. Only place is on land that's not part of a state. It creates an unfair advantage in politics and shows the federal government favoring one state when this is a nation based on equality if it were operating in a state

Quote from: Kinder_ on September 29, 2014, 09:47:06 PM

Well the Federal government needs a place to run operation. Only place is on land that's not part of a state. It creates an unfair advantage in politics and shows the federal government favoring one state when this is a nation based on equality if it were operating in a state

So, fuck the voters who live there.

Voting=/=being a state

D.C citizens have the ability to vote. They just don't have the ability to elect Senators (since they are not a state) and House Reps. can't vote (same as above, but they however have the ability to talk and debate like everybody else......I assume)

It's federal enclave. If you're going to live in a place that's under U.S control but is not a state then you're not going to be able to do certain things. That's how it works

Besides, of the 600K that live there, how many of them are actual citizens? I would imagine many being citizens of a state but just living their for work

Quote from: Kinder_ on September 29, 2014, 10:38:06 PM

Voting=/=being a state

D.C citizens have the ability to vote. They just don't have the ability to elect Senators (since they are not a state) and House Reps. can't vote (same as above, but they however have the ability to talk and debate like everybody else......I assume)

Great. So they have zero representation in the affairs of the nation, as their elected officials have zero power.

Again. Fuck the voters.

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It's federal enclave. If you're going to live in a place that's under U.S control but is not a state then you're not going to be able to do certain things. That's how it works

So, let's punish a person for where they live. I mean, if they have a job in DC and that's the only place they can live for whatever reason...fuck them!

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Besides, of the 600K that live there, how many of them are actual citizens? I would imagine many being citizens of a state but just living their for work

The number is so small, so fuck them!

Guess what, it's the law. Laws don't have to make sense either. And D.C has a high cost of living meaning if a person lives there then they can easily move a few miles away into Virginia or Maryland and become register voters there
http://www.areavibes.com/washington-dc/cost-of-living/

Article I
Section 2.

The House of Representatives shall be composed of members chosen every second year by the people of the several STATES and the electors in each STATE shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the STATE legislature.

Section 3.

The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each STATE, chosen by the legislature thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote.

District of Columbia=/=State

Quote from: SoporificSlash on September 26, 2014, 12:36:55 PM

And they all have the ability to move out on their own. If they're stupid or lazy that's their fault. They have the same capabilities to move out on their own as a 40 year old person. Once again no one is forcing them to live there.

And the whole forum gets trolled. From Slash's own words, never take anyone on the internet seriously.

But Dustin you were using an alt the past few days

Guess what, it's the law. Laws don't have to make sense either.

What.

The.

Fuck.

Quote from: Kinder_ on September 29, 2014, 10:57:24 PM

Guess what, it's the law. Laws don't have to make sense either.

What.

The.

Fuck.

lol

Quote from: Kinder_ on September 29, 2014, 10:57:24 PM

Guess what, it's the law. Laws don't have to make sense either.

What.

The.

Fuck.

Tell me how all laws make sense or have to

And I get a fucking warning if I call him out on his retarded bullshit.

Stay mad at somebody stating the truth

Quote from: Kinder_ on September 30, 2014, 02:56:38 PM

Quote from: challengerX on September 30, 2014, 01:35:37 PM

And I get a fucking warning if I call him out on his retarded bullshit.

Stay mad at somebody stating the truth

I'm not mad, and you rarely state the truth.

You are mad. I stated a fact, not all laws make or have to make sense. I state the facts all the time

Quote from: Kinder_ on September 30, 2014, 02:58:34 PM

Quote from: challengerX on September 30, 2014, 02:57:34 PM

Quote from: Kinder_ on September 30, 2014, 02:56:38 PM

Quote from: challengerX on September 30, 2014, 01:35:37 PM

And I get a fucking warning if I call him out on his retarded bullshit.

Stay mad at somebody stating the truth

I'm not mad, and you rarely state the truth.

You are mad. I stated a fact, not all laws make or have to make sense. I state the facts all the time

Would you like to provide proof on how exactly I'm angry? All I posted is it's ridiculous I got warned yesterday when all I do is call you out on the bullshit you say, yet everybody else in the thread does the same.

You're the only immature person in this forum. Your last two posts have been "lolumad". Want to derail another thread?

Because

And I get a fucking warning if I call him out on his retarded bullshit

shows you being angry and upset. And how do you not know they have not got warned themselves? I got warned yesterday.

Nah, you're the immature one who has to criticize me whenever I say something. And just about all your posts are LOLOLOLOOOOOOL. You're the one derailing this thread for stating a comment that has no purpose with the question. You ought to change your name to Conductor Challenger for all the threads that you cause to be derailed. Maybe next time you'll post something relating to the OP if you don't something derailed

Quote from: Meta Cognition on September 30, 2014, 11:40:23 AM

Quote from: Kinder_ on September 29, 2014, 10:57:24 PM

Guess what, it's the law. Laws don't have to make sense either.

What.

The.

Fuck.

Tell me how all laws make sense or have to

It's not that all laws make sense, it's that they should make sense, otherwise, why are they laws?