Should the District of Columbia become a State?

Alternative Facts · September 26, 2014, 10:02:30 AM

Basically put it, there are 600,000 people who live within the District's borders who do not have voting power in Congress. That's their biggest qualm, because many will say it is "Taxation without Representation."

So, your thoughts? Should the District become a state, or no?

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · September 26, 2014, 10:06:51 AM

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Alternative Facts · September 26, 2014, 10:17:56 AM

Quote from: SoporificSlash on September 26, 2014, 10:06:51 AM

DC should never be a state

Does it not disenfranchise the eligible voters who live there?

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · September 26, 2014, 10:19:53 AM

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Mad Max · September 26, 2014, 10:22:15 AM

If you pay federal taxes, you should be a state.

Not a state? No federal taxes.

You can't have one but not the other.

Alternative Facts · September 26, 2014, 10:23:14 AM

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Quote from: IcyWind on September 26, 2014, 10:17:56 AM
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DC should never be a state

Does it not disenfranchise the eligible voters who live there?
Well put it this way. Do you want one state to be in control of the nation's capital?

That's why it wasn't made part of Virginia or Maryland.

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Does it not disenfranchise the eligible voters who live there?

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · September 26, 2014, 10:31:14 AM

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RustingFloor · September 26, 2014, 10:35:12 AM

Maybe it's voters could be part of Maryland?

If DC is to become a state, Puerto Rico deserves state status first.

Alternative Facts · September 26, 2014, 10:36:06 AM

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Quote from: SoporificSlash on September 26, 2014, 10:06:51 AM
DC should never be a state

Does it not disenfranchise the eligible voters who live there?
Well put it this way. Do you want one state to be in control of the nation's capital?

That's why it wasn't made part of Virginia or Maryland.

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Does it not disenfranchise the eligible voters who live there?
No one said they have to live there

Sounds like an argument used during the Jim Crow era. Not linking you to being a racist or that it's the same thing, but the argument of "Don't like it? Move" is extremely childish. You can't just pack up, quit your job, and move at a whim's notice.

RustingFloor · September 26, 2014, 10:36:29 AM

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Quote from: SoporificSlash on September 26, 2014, 10:06:51 AM
DC should never be a state

Does it not disenfranchise the eligible voters who live there?
Well put it this way. Do you want one state to be in control of the nation's capital?

That's why it wasn't made part of Virginia or Maryland.

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Does it not disenfranchise the eligible voters who live there?
No one said they have to live there

Have you seen DC? The populated areas are all ghettos, everyone with an important job commutes from VA or Maryland.

Nobody who lives there can afford to leave.

Mad Max · September 26, 2014, 10:36:37 AM

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Quote from: SoporificSlash on September 26, 2014, 10:06:51 AM
DC should never be a state

Does it not disenfranchise the eligible voters who live there?
Well put it this way. Do you want one state to be in control of the nation's capital?

That's why it wasn't made part of Virginia or Maryland.

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Does it not disenfranchise the eligible voters who live there?
No one said they have to live there

PSU'd

Mad Max · September 26, 2014, 10:38:58 AM

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Quote from: SoporificSlash on September 26, 2014, 10:06:51 AM
DC should never be a state

Does it not disenfranchise the eligible voters who live there?
Well put it this way. Do you want one state to be in control of the nation's capital?

That's why it wasn't made part of Virginia or Maryland.

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Does it not disenfranchise the eligible voters who live there?
No one said they have to live there
Have you seen DC? The populated areas are all ghettos, everyone with an important job commutes from VA or Maryland.

Nobody who lives there can afford to leave.

Seriously. Anything north of K St is pretty shit. And it costs an arm and a leg to live in the nice parts of town. My girlfriend rented a studio apartment near GWU fro $2100/month

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · September 26, 2014, 10:47:46 AM

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Alternative Facts · September 26, 2014, 10:52:02 AM

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Quote from: IcyWind on September 26, 2014, 10:17:56 AM
Quote from: SoporificSlash on September 26, 2014, 10:06:51 AM
DC should never be a state

Does it not disenfranchise the eligible voters who live there?
Well put it this way. Do you want one state to be in control of the nation's capital?

That's why it wasn't made part of Virginia or Maryland.

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Does it not disenfranchise the eligible voters who live there?
No one said they have to live there

Sounds like an argument used during the Jim Crow era. Not linking you to being a racist or that it's the same thing, but the argument of "Don't like it? Move" is extremely childish. You can't just pack up, quit your job, and move at a whim's notice.
You're the one that chose to live there, its your problem. People need to learn this thing called being responsible for their actions.

God, that is a bullshit statement.

PSU · September 26, 2014, 11:30:07 AM

No there are reasons why it isn't a state.

However you would just include their voters with Maryland or Virginia.

big sponge · September 26, 2014, 12:02:57 PM

No, but they should have representation in the House of Reps and the Senate.

More Than Mortal · September 26, 2014, 12:05:00 PM

D.C. should never be a State for any reason whatsoever.

challengerX · September 26, 2014, 12:10:51 PM

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Mad Max · September 26, 2014, 12:16:33 PM

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Quote from: SoporificSlash on September 26, 2014, 10:06:51 AM
DC should never be a state

Does it not disenfranchise the eligible voters who live there?
Well put it this way. Do you want one state to be in control of the nation's capital?

That's why it wasn't made part of Virginia or Maryland.

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Does it not disenfranchise the eligible voters who live there?
No one said they have to live there

Sounds like an argument used during the Jim Crow era. Not linking you to being a racist or that it's the same thing, but the argument of "Don't like it? Move" is extremely childish. You can't just pack up, quit your job, and move at a whim's notice.
You're the one that chose to live there, its your problem. People need to learn this thing called being responsible for their actions.
So kids born there chose to live there?

Duh. If they don't like it they should pull themselves up by their bootstraps and find a better job so they can move. They should also stop being poor.

Alternative Facts · September 26, 2014, 12:22:38 PM

Quote from: Lord Commissar on September 26, 2014, 12:02:57 PM

No, but they should have representation in the House of Reps and the Senate.

That's never been done before - having a non state with actual voting power. Hell, I don't even think the Constitution sets rules for it.

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · September 26, 2014, 12:25:01 PM

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Mad Max · September 26, 2014, 12:32:19 PM

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Quote from: SoporificSlash on September 26, 2014, 10:06:51 AM
DC should never be a state

Does it not disenfranchise the eligible voters who live there?
Well put it this way. Do you want one state to be in control of the nation's capital?

That's why it wasn't made part of Virginia or Maryland.

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Does it not disenfranchise the eligible voters who live there?
No one said they have to live there

Sounds like an argument used during the Jim Crow era. Not linking you to being a racist or that it's the same thing, but the argument of "Don't like it? Move" is extremely childish. You can't just pack up, quit your job, and move at a whim's notice.
You're the one that chose to live there, its your problem. People need to learn this thing called being responsible for their actions.
So kids born there chose to live there?
Last time I checked the topic of this discussion was about people living in DC being able to vote. Also last I checked kids can't vote. I fail to see the relevance of your question.

A great many people ages 18+ live at home and can't move yet. Plenty of 18 year olds haven't even graduated high school yet.

More Than Mortal · September 26, 2014, 12:36:01 PM

Why has this become a question of poverty and the ability to move?

Just give the people living their the option of being either a voter of Maryland or Virginia.

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · September 26, 2014, 12:36:55 PM

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Mad Max · September 26, 2014, 12:38:50 PM

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Quote from: SoporificSlash on September 26, 2014, 10:06:51 AM
DC should never be a state

Does it not disenfranchise the eligible voters who live there?
Well put it this way. Do you want one state to be in control of the nation's capital?

That's why it wasn't made part of Virginia or Maryland.

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Does it not disenfranchise the eligible voters who live there?
No one said they have to live there

Sounds like an argument used during the Jim Crow era. Not linking you to being a racist or that it's the same thing, but the argument of "Don't like it? Move" is extremely childish. You can't just pack up, quit your job, and move at a whim's notice.
You're the one that chose to live there, its your problem. People need to learn this thing called being responsible for their actions.
So kids born there chose to live there?
Last time I checked the topic of this discussion was about people living in DC being able to vote. Also last I checked kids can't vote. I fail to see the relevance of your question.
A great many people ages 18+ live at home and can't move yet. Plenty of 18 year olds haven't even graduated high school yet.
And they all have the ability to move out on their own. If they're stupid or lazy that's their fault. They have the same capabilities to move out on their own as a 40 year old person. Once again no one is forcing them to live there.

I'm not sure you've ever had to move before. Do you understand how costly it is simply to move? That's part of the problem with poverty; it's a cycle that is really hard to get out of because you don't have the financial options to leave.

Statefarm · September 26, 2014, 12:54:05 PM

Quote from: PSU on September 26, 2014, 11:30:07 AM

No there are reasons why it isn't a state.

However you would just include their voters with Maryland or Virginia.

I actually agree with this.

RustingFloor · September 26, 2014, 12:56:24 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on September 26, 2014, 12:36:01 PM

Why has this become a question of poverty and the ability to move?

Just give the people living their the option of being either a voter of Maryland or Virginia.

But they are not under Maryland or VA law

They're under DC law

Should they choose which state's law they are held to as well?

This might sound retarded, I apologize, I'm not sure how that works over there.

More Than Mortal · September 26, 2014, 01:03:32 PM

Quote from: RustingFloor on September 26, 2014, 12:56:24 PM

If that's the case then I don't really care that they can't vote. The impartiality of the District should be upheld regardless.

DAS B00T x2 · September 26, 2014, 01:11:14 PM

Why not just pass an amendment giving them a representative and two senators without making them a state?

Mad Max · September 26, 2014, 01:22:58 PM

Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on September 26, 2014, 01:11:14 PM

Why not just pass an amendment giving them a representative and two senators without making them a state?

Because it sets a dangerous precedent. Texas and like, half the South, will want to secede but still have representation in Congress.