Quote from: Deci on March 27, 2018, 10:32:58 PM

Only if I pull out or act like I have a gun on me and pretend to pull it out, then they have the right to shoot me dead.

So to an extent. When it comes to the police I would comply. Fight it in court, not in the streets.

Good point about the threatening gesture, which does warrant killing. However, I can not encourage surrendering to corrupt authority members and fighting it in a broken and biased justice system. That judge collects his paycheck from the same source the cop does, theft of citizens. That cop actively steals from citizens on top of that. Sometimes it is better to perish fighting for freedom than to live as a slave.

I am a sovereign citizen and I totally agree.

Quote from: Shhhhhh on March 27, 2018, 11:55:07 PM

prisons are relatively comfy

um

relatively

it's not like they torture you

it's very common to hear people talk about how prison isn't so bad, because they were taken care of, and they didn't have to worry about starving or having to come home to whatever shit they had going on

Everybody who makes it out (something that is not guaranteed) says it was hell.

i don't think so

if that were really the case, i wouldn't have said what i said, but this isn't something i haven't seen, heard, or read anything about, and the general sense i get is that there's plenty of people out there who were actually able to find a home in prison

that's obviously not to say that it's paradise and that everyone has a great time there—but come on, "everybody"?

i don't think it's unreasonable to say, at the very least, that we tend to be pretty soft on criminals and felons these days

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I think it is a bad reason, and we have no authority to murder. Besides, life in prison is a much harsher punishment and they deserve a long life of misery to reflect on what the did.

prisons are relatively comfy and people are highly adaptive—they're very good at convincing themselves that the shit they're swimming in "isn't so bad," because in that scenario, they have no other psychologically rewarding choice

it's also just delaying the inevitable

killing them instantly is just ridding the world of another piece of fucking garbage

the only thing is, it costs more to put someone on death row than it does to keep them in prison, and since that's the only logic-based point you could really bring up, i'm not surprised you failed to do so

The other logical choice is making prisons more miserable and far less expensive.

so you wanna torture people

i mean so do i, but i'm not gonna pretend like it's something that should actually happen

Where the hell in my posts did you read I wanted to torture people? Feed them the cheapest food and never let them out of their cells. Amount of guards needed drops way down.

so

torture

No, I am not advocating for any inflicting pain. Just let them live the most basic lives so they are simultaneously not a threat anymore and punished for their crimes.

torture doesn't have to involve the infliction of pain

being confined and being fed the cheapest food is living less than a basic life

it's basically torture

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I think it is a bad reason, and we have no authority to murder. Besides, life in prison is a much harsher punishment and they deserve a long life of misery to reflect on what the did.

prisons are relatively comfy and people are highly adaptive—they're very good at convincing themselves that the shit they're swimming in "isn't so bad," because in that scenario, they have no other psychologically rewarding choice

it's also just delaying the inevitable

killing them instantly is just ridding the world of another piece of fucking garbage

the only thing is, it costs more to put someone on death row than it does to keep them in prison, and since that's the only logic-based point you could really bring up, i'm not surprised you failed to do so

The other logical choice is making prisons more miserable and far less expensive.

so you wanna torture people

i mean so do i, but i'm not gonna pretend like it's something that should actually happen

Where the hell in my posts did you read I wanted to torture people? Feed them the cheapest food and never let them out of their cells. Amount of guards needed drops way down.

so

torture

No, I am not advocating for any inflicting pain. Just let them live the most basic lives so they are simultaneously not a threat anymore and punished for their crimes.

torture doesn't have to involve the infliction of pain

being confined and being fed the cheapest food is living less than a basic life

it's basically torture

How is that less than a basic life? That is just survival. Lot of people can't even find food for a whole day on this planet, they are still more well-off than a lot of people. Physiological torture is a thing, but I am not advocating for that, either.

but you are

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I think it is a bad reason, and we have no authority to murder. Besides, life in prison is a much harsher punishment and they deserve a long life of misery to reflect on what the did.

prisons are relatively comfy and people are highly adaptive—they're very good at convincing themselves that the shit they're swimming in "isn't so bad," because in that scenario, they have no other psychologically rewarding choice

it's also just delaying the inevitable

killing them instantly is just ridding the world of another piece of fucking garbage

the only thing is, it costs more to put someone on death row than it does to keep them in prison, and since that's the only logic-based point you could really bring up, i'm not surprised you failed to do so

The other logical choice is making prisons more miserable and far less expensive.

so you wanna torture people

i mean so do i, but i'm not gonna pretend like it's something that should actually happen

Where the hell in my posts did you read I wanted to torture people? Feed them the cheapest food and never let them out of their cells. Amount of guards needed drops way down.

so

torture

No, I am not advocating for any inflicting pain. Just let them live the most basic lives so they are simultaneously not a threat anymore and punished for their crimes.

torture doesn't have to involve the infliction of pain

being confined and being fed the cheapest food is living less than a basic life

it's basically torture

How is that less than a basic life? That is just survival. Lot of people can't even find food for a whole day on this planet, they are still more well-off than a lot of people. Physiological torture is a thing, but I am not advocating for that, either.

but you are

Haven't one time. Not sure how you are interpreting my posts that way.

probably because that's the only way to interpret them if you're a reasonable person

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I think it is a bad reason, and we have no authority to murder. Besides, life in prison is a much harsher punishment and they deserve a long life of misery to reflect on what the did.

prisons are relatively comfy and people are highly adaptive—they're very good at convincing themselves that the shit they're swimming in "isn't so bad," because in that scenario, they have no other psychologically rewarding choice

it's also just delaying the inevitable

killing them instantly is just ridding the world of another piece of fucking garbage

the only thing is, it costs more to put someone on death row than it does to keep them in prison, and since that's the only logic-based point you could really bring up, i'm not surprised you failed to do so

The other logical choice is making prisons more miserable and far less expensive.

so you wanna torture people

i mean so do i, but i'm not gonna pretend like it's something that should actually happen

Where the hell in my posts did you read I wanted to torture people? Feed them the cheapest food and never let them out of their cells. Amount of guards needed drops way down.

so

torture

No, I am not advocating for any inflicting pain. Just let them live the most basic lives so they are simultaneously not a threat anymore and punished for their crimes.

torture doesn't have to involve the infliction of pain

being confined and being fed the cheapest food is living less than a basic life

it's basically torture

How is that less than a basic life? That is just survival. Lot of people can't even find food for a whole day on this planet, they are still more well-off than a lot of people. Physiological torture is a thing, but I am not advocating for that, either.

but you are

Haven't one time. Not sure how you are interpreting my posts that way.

probably because that's the only way to interpret them if you're a reasonable person

There is no reason to falsely assume I want to torture people when I never condoned torture one time, ever.

but you have

HAHAHA!

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Quote from: challengerX on March 28, 2018, 06:42:42 AM

Everybody who makes it out (something that is not guaranteed) says it was hell.

i don't think so

if that were really the case, i wouldn't have said what i said, but this isn't something i haven't seen, heard, or read anything about, and the general sense i get is that there's plenty of people out there who were actually able to find a home in prison

that's obviously not to say that it's paradise and that everyone has a great time there—but come on, "everybody"?

i don't think it's unreasonable to say, at the very least, that we tend to be pretty soft on criminals and felons these days

You don't think even those people shed a few tears at night in their cell? Nobody wants to be in there. Becoming institutionalized doesn't mean they enjoy it, they just can't find a way to go back to normal life so being locked up feels normal to them. There's a lot of people who don't even want to get out, but that's because they're scared and institutionalized. It has absolutely nothing to do with being soft on criminals. For someone with ideals and opinions such as yours I'm shocked to see such conservative sentiments come from you.

are they conservatives sentiments, or do i just hate criminals that much

i'm willing to concede that maybe i'm letting my own desire to see bad people suffer blind me a little bit, but i'm not budging on the notion that some prisons do offer their inmates certain comforts and luxuries that they absolutely should not have access to—you shouldn't be able to get a college degree in a fucking prison, for example, but things like that do happen

all that being said, i still maintain that abusive cops should be put to death, and life in prison doesn't come close to an appropriate punishment for them

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Everybody who makes it out (something that is not guaranteed) says it was hell.

i don't think so

if that were really the case, i wouldn't have said what i said, but this isn't something i haven't seen, heard, or read anything about, and the general sense i get is that there's plenty of people out there who were actually able to find a home in prison

that's obviously not to say that it's paradise and that everyone has a great time there—but come on, "everybody"?

i don't think it's unreasonable to say, at the very least, that we tend to be pretty soft on criminals and felons these days

You don't think even those people shed a few tears at night in their cell? Nobody wants to be in there. Becoming institutionalized doesn't mean they enjoy it, they just can't find a way to go back to normal life so being locked up feels normal to them. There's a lot of people who don't even want to get out, but that's because they're scared and institutionalized. It has absolutely nothing to do with being soft on criminals. For someone with ideals and opinions such as yours I'm shocked to see such conservative sentiments come from you.

are they conservatives sentiments, or do i just hate criminals that much

i'm willing to concede that maybe i'm letting my own desire to see bad people suffer blind me a little bit, but i'm not budging on the notion that some prisons do offer their inmates certain comforts and luxuries that they absolutely should not have access to—you shouldn't be able to get a college degree in a fucking prison, for example

all that being said, i also maintain that abusive cops should be put to death, and life in prison doesn't come close to an appropriate punishment for them

Look I understand if maybe a loved one or friend was killed or raped. I feel you on that. But we have a justice system, not a revenge system. If we do not provide tools for inmates who wish to change their ways then these people will fall back to their old ways because there's nothing they can do when they get out. Some of these people aren't total pieces of shit, they just got caught up in the life. I'm not saying we have to forgive them or turn the other cheek, but I don't think two wrongs make a right.

i don't think of it as revenge, i think of it as the most efficient way to solve a problem

you can try to dick around and waste money and time trying to fix up this fucked person (who's never going to be able to find a job, because no smart employer is going to hire someone with a felony or two on their record), or you can just call it what it is—a waste of time, and just end him

not just because it's what he deserves, but because whatever role he could've fulfilled in society could easily just be taken up by someone else—we have 300 million people in this country, and a good chunk of them are unemployed, so why not give that labor to someone who's lived an honest life instead

i won't say i'm not a vengeful person, but that's only because i've been trained to enjoy it when i see justice served, and at times, when justice and redemption overlap, it's difficult for me to not get too invested in those carnal emotions

but i do realize revenge in and of itself is silly—so i've tried to find more logical reasons to support corporal punishment instead, and i think i've succeeded