Should police be allowed to kill you if you don't follow directions?

 
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I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
Everybody who makes it out (something that is not guaranteed) says it was hell.
i don't think so

if that were really the case, i wouldn't have said what i said, but this isn't something i haven't seen, heard, or read anything about, and the general sense i get is that there's plenty of people out there who were actually able to find a home in prison

that's obviously not to say that it's paradise and that everyone has a great time there—but come on, "everybody"?

i don't think it's unreasonable to say, at the very least, that we tend to be pretty soft on criminals and felons these days
You don't think even those people shed a few tears at night in their cell? Nobody wants to be in there. Becoming institutionalized doesn't mean they enjoy it, they just can't find a way to go back to normal life so being locked up feels normal to them. There's a lot of people who don't even want to get out, but that's because they're scared and institutionalized. It has absolutely nothing to do with being soft on criminals. For someone with ideals and opinions such as yours I'm shocked to see such conservative sentiments come from you.
are they conservatives sentiments, or do i just hate criminals that much

i'm willing to concede that maybe i'm letting my own desire to see bad people suffer blind me a little bit, but i'm not budging on the notion that some prisons do offer their inmates certain comforts and luxuries that they absolutely should not have access to—you shouldn't be able to get a college degree in a fucking prison, for example

all that being said, i also maintain that abusive cops should be put to death, and life in prison doesn't come close to an appropriate punishment for them
Look I understand if maybe a loved one or friend was killed or raped. I feel you on that. But we have a justice system, not a revenge system. If we do not provide tools for inmates who wish to change their ways then these people will fall back to their old ways because there's nothing they can do when they get out. Some of these people aren't total pieces of shit, they just got caught up in the life. I'm not saying we have to forgive them or turn the other cheek, but I don't think two wrongs make a right.
i don't think of it as revenge, i think of it as the most efficient way to solve a problem

you can try to dick around and waste money and time trying to fix up this fucked person (who's never going to be able to find a job, because no smart employer is going to hire someone with a felony or two on their record), or you can just call it what it is—a waste of time, and just end him

not just because it's what he deserves, but because whatever role he could've fulfilled in society could easily just be taken up by someone else—we have 300 million people in this country, and a good chunk of them are unemployed, so why not give that labor to someone who's lived an honest life instead

i won't say i'm not a vengeful person, but that's only because i've been trained to enjoy it when i see justice served, and at times, when justice and redemption overlap, it's difficult for me to not get too invested in those carnal emotions

but i do realize revenge in and of itself is silly—so i've tried to find more logical reasons to support corporal punishment instead, and i think i've succeeded
How we quantify an honest life? Why do these people deserve to die or be punished so harshly? Are they no longer human beings because they maybe sold some weed?


 
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How we quantify an honest life? Why do these people deserve to die or be punished so harshly? Are they no longer human beings because they maybe sold some weed?
not having murdered anybody is a good start

ask yourself why their victim needed to be punished so harshly, and therein lies the answer to your second question—again, it's not about revenge, it's about getting rid of a dangerous person who is a detriment to society

call me hammurabi, but that's just how i feel, because i don't think i've ever been given any compelling reason to think that death-for-death is unreasonable

i'm not talking about people who sell weed obviously, we started with abusive cops
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How we quantify an honest life? Why do these people deserve to die or be punished so harshly? Are they no longer human beings because they maybe sold some weed?
not having murdered anybody is a good start

ask yourself why their victim need to be punished so harshly, and therein lies the answer to your second question—again, it's not about revenge, it's about getting rid of a dangerous person who is a detriment to society

call me hammurabi, but that's just how i feel, because i don't think i've ever been given any compelling reason to think that death-for-death is unreasonable

i'm not talking about people who sell weed obviously, we started with abusive cops
But we're talking about prisoners. Which prisoners deserve to die? Only muderers and rapists? I'm inclined to agree with the latter, but when it comes to killing, where do we draw the line? Killing somebody who is trying to hurt you or your family could land you in prison, should that person be put to death too?

What type of world would that be where the government is just putting people to death left and right? Before you answer that, really think outside of what your mindset is and how you feel about things. Think about how many stupid people are in power and how giving them even more power is a ridiculously dumb idea.

But if you don't care about any of that and your mind won't be changed, I give you this: https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-cases


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On the current topic: Is everyone approached by the police a murderer? Is suspicion of a crime proof of guilt?

I find it funny that the same people who claim the deep state are using crisis actors to lure our law enforcement personnel to take our rights are the first ones to blame the victims when abuses of the government happen. “Oh, he was high on pot, blue lives matter” yet when a white guy does it suddenly it’s a Project Jade Helm Operation involving FEMA Death Camps, the revocation of the Second Amendment and crisis actors.

Fuck all of you and your hypocrisy.

If all lives truly matter, THEN STICK UP FOR ALL LIVES.

The government does not have the right to deprive ANYONE of life. Certainly not on the suspicion of a crime.

You don’t have the choice of compliance or death. The police aren’t above the law.

Enforce all rights for everyone or there are no rights for anyone


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The government does not have the right to deprive ANYONE of life. Certainly not on the suspicion of a crime.
There are several situations off the top of my head wherein this mindset simply would not apply.


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The government does not have the right to deprive ANYONE of life.

Do you believe police should not be allowed to defend themselves if they fear for their own lives or the lives of others?


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It sounds quite heavy-handed to me, but Australia has an entirely different criminal climate to the US, whom I assume the thread is primarily directed at.

I understand Police in the US are trained to shoot to kill and react on a moments notice to any action deemed to be threatening - especially if it has the potential to produce a weapon.

For the most part in Australia, you’ll see Police being trained to arrest Civillians using the lightest possible force (although some officers are known to exercise it more than necessary). Tazers and Capsicum spray are the primary weapons used in apprehension with firearms being reserved for much higher scale arrests.

The drawback to this is it sometimes isn’t enough. There was an incident in Melbourne last year where pedestrians were killed by a guy going crazy in his car, and, whilst he was apprehended eventually, the matter could’ve been solved before any deaths occurred.

It all depends on how much force should be used in the situation, and that can’t really be judged in the time an officer is given to make the call.


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The government does not have the right to deprive ANYONE of life.

Do you believe police should not be allowed to defend themselves if they fear for their own lives or the lives of others?

1) Only in the defense of others. They volunteered for a hazardous job and received special training to do it.

2) Defense is a broad term. Lethal force is a last resort only.


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We also need to hold police actually accountable when they murder someone instead of giving them a paid vacation.
They literally do this so the officers can’t interfere with the investigation they’re conducting on them.


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We also need to hold police actually accountable when they murder someone instead of giving them a paid vacation.
They literally do this so the officers can’t interfere with the investigation they’re conducting on them.

And why are they paid for it? They should be charged, not given a vacation.
It's almost as if they conduct the investigation for the purpose of determining whether and what for they should be charged.


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We also need to hold police actually accountable when they murder someone instead of giving them a paid vacation.
They literally do this so the officers can’t interfere with the investigation they’re conducting on them.

And why are they paid for it? They should be charged, not given a vacation.
Because then they’ll be getting punished for doing their job.


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We also need to hold police actually accountable when they murder someone instead of giving them a paid vacation.
They literally do this so the officers can’t interfere with the investigation they’re conducting on them.

And why are they paid for it? They should be charged, not given a vacation.
Because then they’ll be getting punished for doing their job.
Getting punished how? The suspension alone is punishment, and definitely does not mean they should be paid especially after just infringing on the rights of others.
Getting punished by not getting paid? Also Americans don’t have any rights to not get shot if they’re directly endangering the lives of others.


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We also need to hold police actually accountable when they murder someone instead of giving them a paid vacation.
They literally do this so the officers can’t interfere with the investigation they’re conducting on them.

And why are they paid for it? They should be charged, not given a vacation.
Because then they’ll be getting punished for doing their job.
Getting punished how? The suspension alone is punishment, and definitely does not mean they should be paid especially after just infringing on the rights of others.
Getting punished by not getting paid? Also Americans don’t have any rights to not get shot if they’re directly endangering the lives of others.

Why should they get paid when they are not working? Police often times murder people unjustly as well.
Because unjust shootings happen far less often. To both your points.


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Disarm the police and give their guns to homeless people please.


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Isn’t the whole point of police officers are to keep you safe?


 
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Isn’t the whole point of police officers are to keep you safe?
No. The point of having a police force is to generate revenue for the municipality by enforcing unconstitutional traffic laws, drugs laws, prostitution laws, and liquor production laws. You are the primary provider of your own safety.