Should police be allowed to kill you if you don't follow directions?

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Piggybacking off the swatting thread, reports have claimed the innocent man was shot because he raised his hands, then dropped them. Maybe some legal experts need to chime in here, but where are the laws saying I need to do what police say, even on my own property, and if I don't I can be justifiably shot?

I completely understand police are charged with giving lawful orders and they have to be obeyed; I'm talking about their ability to shoot or kill you for not doing so.
Last Edit: December 31, 2017, 04:47:10 PM by Turkey


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It's easier to ask "when should police be able to kill you" and the answer is when you pose a threat to the lives of others. The American problem is that police have been trained that everyone is always a threat to their lives because everyone has razor blades taped to the back of their cap.


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Obviously they need to be able to prove that they thought lives were in danger after using lethal force. I don’t think anyone here would say resisting arrest could warrant capital punishment. People should also be aware that their own negligent behavior could lead to a cop believing they’re in danger.


 
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I don't know about "allowed" per se but if you're ignoring them and keeping your hands where you could potentially reach for a firearm or other weapon, then I believe you're going to trigger their survival instinct and what happens from there is always messy.


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But what if I don't consent?


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To an extent.

Most of us read about the SWAT guy playing a lethal game of simon says with a drunk pest control man in a hotel recently. That guy hardly posed a threat crawling with his hands in the air, and yet the SWAT guy shot him for failing to follow his EXACT instructions/pulling up his trousers.

If/once law enforcement isn't in clear danger from the allegded assailant, you can't just order them to do the hokey-kokey and if they
fail, they die. That's retarded, and promotes a negative image of the police that are supposed to be for your benefit, not dread once you get pulled over/searched/a visit from... then again, it's already too late as that has circulated already.


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What's legal and what you should do are two separate things here. Cops have a get to kill you and get off scot free card. They say officer safety, close ranks and they walk. If the police approach you be afraid. There's been over 300 officer involved shootings this year alone. Yet only one black cop has been prosecuted.


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reports have claimed the innocent man was shot because he raised his hands, then dropped them.
What if he had a gun?


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reports have claimed the innocent man was shot because he raised his hands, then dropped them.
What if he had a gun?

So you're defending the police shooting us if we move?


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reports have claimed the innocent man was shot because he raised his hands, then dropped them.
What if he had a gun?

So you're defending the police shooting us if we move?
Well if a cop told me to put my hands up, I would do that and not make it look like I have a weapon in my pocket.


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reports have claimed the innocent man was shot because he raised his hands, then dropped them.
What if he had a gun?

So you're defending the police shooting us if we move?
Well if a cop told me to put my hands up, I would do that and not make it look like I have a weapon in my pocket.

Why do police have the power to force a game of simon says or die?


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reports have claimed the innocent man was shot because he raised his hands, then dropped them.
What if he had a gun?

So you're defending the police shooting us if we move?
Well if a cop told me to put my hands up, I would do that and not make it look like I have a weapon in my pocket.

Why do police have the power to force a game of simon says or die?
Because they are a position of authority? It's not rocket science to comply.


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reports have claimed the innocent man was shot because he raised his hands, then dropped them.
What if he had a gun?

Kind of a pointless question. If I were a cop I'd rather get shot than murder an innocent person.


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reports have claimed the innocent man was shot because he raised his hands, then dropped them.
What if he had a gun?

Kind of a pointless question. If I were a cop I'd rather get shot than murder an innocent person.
Sure you would.


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reports have claimed the innocent man was shot because he raised his hands, then dropped them.
What if he had a gun?

Kind of a pointless question. If I were a cop I'd rather get shot than murder an innocent person.
Sure you would.

Would you prefer to get shot, or murder somebody?


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reports have claimed the innocent man was shot because he raised his hands, then dropped them.
What if he had a gun?

So you're defending the police shooting us if we move?
Well if a cop told me to put my hands up, I would do that and not make it look like I have a weapon in my pocket.

Why do police have the power to force a game of simon says or die?
Because they are a position of authority? It's not rocket science to comply.

Which is my point. They have the power. We don't. Do they have the right to? No. Do they have the power to? Yes. Comply or die. America is basically a facist state.


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reports have claimed the innocent man was shot because he raised his hands, then dropped them.
What if he had a gun?

Kind of a pointless question. If I were a cop I'd rather get shot than murder an innocent person.
Sure you would.

Would you prefer to get shot, or murder somebody?
I guess it's a good thing you aren't a cop. Such a mindset would just get you killed.


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reports have claimed the innocent man was shot because he raised his hands, then dropped them.
What if he had a gun?

So you're defending the police shooting us if we move?
Well if a cop told me to put my hands up, I would do that and not make it look like I have a weapon in my pocket.

Why do police have the power to force a game of simon says or die?
Because they are a position of authority? It's not rocket science to comply.

Which is my point. They have the power. We don't. Do they have the right to? No. Do they have the power to? Yes. Comply or die. America is basically a facist state.
Dumb anarchist, don't ever reply to me again.


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reports have claimed the innocent man was shot because he raised his hands, then dropped them.
What if he had a gun?

Kind of a pointless question. If I were a cop I'd rather get shot than murder an innocent person.
Sure you would.

Would you prefer to get shot, or murder somebody?
I guess it's a good thing you aren't a cop. Such a mindset would just get you killed.

I'm in the navy, and the current position is that we'd rather let a ship take a missile or a plane get shot down than wrongly kill civilians, knowing full well people may die as a result

You didn't answer the question, though.


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reports have claimed the innocent man was shot because he raised his hands, then dropped them.
What if he had a gun?

Kind of a pointless question. If I were a cop I'd rather get shot than murder an innocent person.
Sure you would.

Would you prefer to get shot, or murder somebody?
I guess it's a good thing you aren't a cop. Such a mindset would just get you killed.

I'm in the navy, and the current position is that we'd rather let a ship take a missile or a plane get shot down than wrongly kill civilians, knowing full well people may die as a result

You didn't answer the question, though.

He just calles anyone who doesn't surrender ther their rights an anarchist and moves on.


 
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reports have claimed the innocent man was shot because he raised his hands, then dropped them.
What if he had a gun?

So you're defending the police shooting us if we move?
Well if a cop told me to put my hands up, I would do that and not make it look like I have a weapon in my pocket.
Plenty of people have been killed by cops even though they followed their directions.


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reports have claimed the innocent man was shot because he raised his hands, then dropped them.
What if he had a gun?

So you're defending the police shooting us if we move?
Well if a cop told me to put my hands up, I would do that and not make it look like I have a weapon in my pocket.
Plenty of people have been killed by cops even though they followed their directions.

No argument from me. When Johnny Law shows up you play the odds. Complying increases the odds of survival, but doesn't guarantee it.


 
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The police exist as an unjust representation of the State's absolute monopolization on violence. This, under the common law of the land, gives them the utmost supreme authority to take the lives of those who refuse to recognize their absolute and disgusting authority.

Save lives, ban cops.


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I don't know who allows them to be killed by cops.


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The police exist as an unjust representation of the State's absolute monopolization on violence. This, under the common law of the land, gives them the utmost supreme authority to take the lives of those who refuse to recognize their absolute and disgusting authority.

Save lives, ban cops.

I don't know about ban. They need to be brought back to what they were. Remove the warrior culture and us vs them mentality. Remind them that they are public servants not action heroes. 


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Hey.
I came here from b.net after a few Floods invited me. None of them post on either b.net nor here anymore, which is sad. I was still active on b.net until for some bizarre reason, b.net admins locked out people who have not played Destiny. Even if you wanted to post on the offtopic section. After that, I fully moved here and have not returned to b.net since.
Please come play Halo with me.
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The angel agreed to trade a set of white wings for the head of another demon. Overjoyed, the demon killed one of his own and plucked the head right off its still-warm body.

The angel then led the demon to heaven, where he underwent centuries of the cruelest tortures imaginable. Finally, the pain was so great that he lost consciousness - at which point his dark wings turned the promised shade of white.
Kind of a ridiculous question to ask. The guy was a dumbass for not following instructions but that doesnt warrant shooting if he didnt pose an immediate threat.


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Hey.
I came here from b.net after a few Floods invited me. None of them post on either b.net nor here anymore, which is sad. I was still active on b.net until for some bizarre reason, b.net admins locked out people who have not played Destiny. Even if you wanted to post on the offtopic section. After that, I fully moved here and have not returned to b.net since.
Please come play Halo with me.
Kind of a ridiculous question to ask. The guy was a dumbass for not following instructions but that doesnt warrant shooting if he didnt pose an immediate threat.
did you see the footage? They were literally across the street. You think the guy heard what the fuck they were shouting?


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The angel agreed to trade a set of white wings for the head of another demon. Overjoyed, the demon killed one of his own and plucked the head right off its still-warm body.

The angel then led the demon to heaven, where he underwent centuries of the cruelest tortures imaginable. Finally, the pain was so great that he lost consciousness - at which point his dark wings turned the promised shade of white.
Kind of a ridiculous question to ask. The guy was a dumbass for not following instructions but that doesnt warrant shooting if he didnt pose an immediate threat.
did you see the footage? They were literally across the street. You think the guy heard what the fuck they were shouting?
no i havent but my second point still stands .-.


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Hey.
I came here from b.net after a few Floods invited me. None of them post on either b.net nor here anymore, which is sad. I was still active on b.net until for some bizarre reason, b.net admins locked out people who have not played Destiny. Even if you wanted to post on the offtopic section. After that, I fully moved here and have not returned to b.net since.
Please come play Halo with me.
Kind of a ridiculous question to ask. The guy was a dumbass for not following instructions but that doesnt warrant shooting if he didnt pose an immediate threat.
did you see the footage? They were literally across the street. You think the guy heard what the fuck they were shouting?
no i havent but my second point still stands .-.
Yes, absolutely. I'm just saying that you can't follow instructions you cannot hear.