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Should robots be given equal rights to humans?

Yes
10 (50%)
No
3 (15%)
They should be given similar but not exactly the same rights
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Should AI be given equal rights?

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You should be educated, idiot. Robots are not fucking alive. They are a hunk of metal and wires. Animals are living and deserve more rights. If you're actually supporting the idea to give pieces of metal rights then give rocks, sand, fire, etc equal rights
Humans are an amalgamation of factors which gives rise to intelligence and emotion. If a robot is capable of reaching such a conclusion with a different amalgamation, the situation remains the same.

Thank you for condensing my paragraphs.
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Definitely. Here's a followup question though: if we somehow had the capability to clone or grow non-sentient animals in the homo genus (basically the nearest ancestor to humans that did not have sentience or sapience), would it be unethical to use them as slave labor in the same way we use machines?


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Definitely. Here's a followup question though: if we somehow had the capability to clone or grow non-sentient animals in the homo genus (basically the nearest ancestor to humans that did not have sentience or sapience), would it be unethical to use them as slave labor in the same way we use machines?
I think that it would be inefficient.


 
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It would be unethical to take their sentience.
You're not taking anything away from them. Like I said, we'd be growing a species that isn't sentient. The nearest relative to modern humans that didn't have sentience.
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You are, though. You're breeding a species with no sentience that would have it otherwise.

No...you don't seem to understand. In this scenario, we're using the nearest ancestor to modern humans that didn't have sentience. As in, they didn't have sentience when they existed. They weren't sentient. They never had sentience. Sentience was not an attribute of this species. You can't take away something they never had. They're incapable of sentience. Sentience is not applicable to this species.

Honestly I have no idea how to make this more clear.


 
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You will find out who you are not a thousand times, before you ever discover who you are. I hope you find peace in yourself and learn to love instead of hate.
We shouldn't even develop robots to the point where they need rights.


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You are, though. You're breeding a species with no sentience that would have it otherwise.

No...you don't seem to understand. In this scenario, we're using the nearest ancestor to modern humans that didn't have sentience. As in, they didn't have sentience when they existed. They weren't sentient. They never had sentience. Sentience was not an attribute of this species. You can't take away something they never had. They're incapable of sentience. Sentience is not applicable to this species.

Honestly I have no idea how to make this more clear.
Calm the fuck down bro. I thought you meant taking away their sentience.

And either way it's still wrong because slave labor is wrong.

So if we develop the means to create legitimately sentient AI (not just robots that are programmed to resemble human reactions), and we selectively give sentience to some (or none) and withhold it from others, is that okay? Keep in mind that at that point the machines would be intelligent, just not at sentience. Similar to the breeding idea we're talking about.


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
There has never been an archaic human of any sort without sentience.


 
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There has never been an archaic human of any sort without sentience.

Yeah, I realized that after I posted it. That's why I added 'nearest ancestor'. Basically go back along the evolutionary line until you hit non-sentience. Or imagine a hypothetical human that just doesn't have sentience, and is incapable of ever achieving it.

This is largely to address the sentiment that always comes up in this discussion, that they're "just machines", as if being biological somehow makes one form of sentience more legitimate than another. It's to broaden the horizons a bit.
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I wonder what the state of technology will be at that point. We already have animal rights for non-sentient species (the proper term is 'sapient', but that's usually ignored), so would sufficiently advanced technology, like a really adaptable computer OS, be given similar rights once we've achieved AI sentience?

If you haven't seen the movie Her, you should check it out sometime. It's not really a group-movie, but if you take it seriously and don't just giggle at the sex stuff, I think you'll find it a very sincere effort to talk about this subject.


 
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emigrate or degenerate. the choice is yours
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They're robots for fucks sake.If they start to get all "pissy" then just wipe their memory and start them off as new basically. Robots only know what they are programmed to know, unless they some how obtain the level of self-awareness and perform actions that they were not programmed with or to do then all they will be are subjects to human control
What the fuck is wrong with you?
How about you go spread some mineral equal rights?
You should be shot.
You should be educated, idiot. Robots are not fucking alive. They are a hunk of metal and wires.
If you're going to use that criteria to judge what is alive and what isn't alive, then technically WE aren't alive because essentially all we are is a hunk of flesh, blood vessels and bone. The only difference is the chemical composition.


 
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