Should a fetus have a right to an attorney?

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Alabama thinks so

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/16/daily-show-alabama-abortion-law_n_6484174.html
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Alabama's restrictive new abortion law has created a strange job: fetus attorney.

The law allows judges to appoint attorneys to represent fetuses in abortion cases involving girls aged 17 and younger who don't have consent for the procedure from their parents.

On Thursday night's "Daily Show," Jessica Williams travelled to the Yellowhammer State to meet a fetus attorney and find out just how he does his job, including how he meets with his clients.

"You have a crazy-ass job, sir," Williams said to attorney Julian McPhillips.

That led to several surreal exchanges, including this one:

Williams: "How do you know if a fetus is innocent?"

McPhillips: "I think it's a safe assumption that most fetuses, if not all fetuses, are innocent."

Williams: "What about a fetus that eats its own twin in utero?"

McPhillips: "Well you know that would never happen."

Williams: "It's a real thing. A fetus can eat its twin in utero. If that doesn't sound evil, then what is?"

As the local American Civil Liberties Union points out, Alabama has no statewide public defender program. So while the state is paying for lawyers to represent the unborn, adults who need constitutionally-guaranteed legal representation often can't get it.

"If you can't afford an attorney, Alabama has got your back -- until the day you're born," Williams concluded.

...are these people for real?


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You'd be surprised. A case (not sure if settled) in Ireland I put a thread up earlier gave an attorney for the unborn child arguing for it's right to live after the pregnant woman went brain dead 18 weeks in.

But that apparently is due to some law we have regarding foetuses and abortions, kind of a throwback of Catholic beliefs. It's not entirely related to something as you've desribed but it has happened before.
Last Edit: January 17, 2015, 09:31:58 PM by SuperIrish


 
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And I thought Florida was the retarded one...


 
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
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Next we'll be giving chairs the right to vote.


 
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I really do just feel like this is quite an absurd concept.


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I really do just feel like this is quite an absurd concept.
Because it is.


 
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Can the fetus testify? Swear on a book of law to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Who pays for the fetus' lawyer in these proceedings?


 
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You know what would be a cheaper, more effective, and less absurd way of stopping people from getting abortions?

Sex education.


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You know what would be a cheaper, more effective, and less absurd way of stopping people from getting abortions?

Sex education.
Shhhh...


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You know what would be a cheaper, more effective, and less absurd way of stopping people from getting abortions?

Sex education.

And ending the nanny state/welfare.

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As someone who considers fetuses to be persons (after the development of the central nervous system, not during or before), I think this is pretty silly.

Think of the implications of giving fetuses the same rights as full people. Do fetuses get freedom of speech? Miranda rights? The right to keep and bear arms?


 
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As someone who considers fetuses to be persons (after the development of the central nervous system, not during or before), I think this is pretty silly.

Think of the implications of giving fetuses the same rights as full people. Do fetuses get freedom of speech? Miranda rights? The right to keep and bear arms?

Lemmy, I see this as a great business opportunity for us. We could make  fetus sized guns and teach fetus self defense courses.

To protect their free speech and freedom of the press we could sell them fetus sized computers and charge them monthly for satellite based internet.


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Well the mother is the medical proxy for the fetus, and when the mother doesn't have the legal right of attorney over herself, she can't act as a medical proxy for the fetus. It makes sense in a roundabout sort of way.


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A fetus is a living organism, therefore it definitely deserves the right to an attorney.


 
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How would this even work?


 
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A fetus is a living organism, therefore it definitely deserves the right to an attorney.

Does a tree?


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As someone who considers fetuses to be persons (after the development of the central nervous system, not during or before), I think this is pretty silly.

Think of the implications of giving fetuses the same rights as full people. Do fetuses get freedom of speech? Miranda rights? The right to keep and bear arms?

Lemmy, I see this as a great business opportunity for us. We could make  fetus sized guns and teach fetus self defense courses.

To protect their free speech and freedom of the press we could sell them fetus sized computers and charge them monthly for satellite based internet.
I'll deliver the guns. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)


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We always say to fight fire, you must use fire. This is wrong. Fighting fire with fire will leave scars and a new flame will rise. We must instead use water. It is the opposite of fire, it extinguishes the fire, it cools, it refreshes, it heals. We are made up of 70% water, we are not made up of 70% fire. Please practice what we truly are
And put that child into debt before it is even born? That's pretty cruel.


 
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You will find out who you are not a thousand times, before you ever discover who you are. I hope you find peace in yourself and learn to love instead of hate.
Why people care so much about a stupid foetus is beyond me. If you're not the mother or father you don't have a right to state whether the foetus can be aborted or not.

Although personally I'm in favour of a child license.


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A fetus is a living organism, therefore it definitely deserves the right to an attorney.

Does a tree?

A tree is not a human being


 
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A fetus is a living organism, therefore it definitely deserves the right to an attorney.

Does a tree?

A tree is not a human being

You said "living organism"


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We always say to fight fire, you must use fire. This is wrong. Fighting fire with fire will leave scars and a new flame will rise. We must instead use water. It is the opposite of fire, it extinguishes the fire, it cools, it refreshes, it heals. We are made up of 70% water, we are not made up of 70% fire. Please practice what we truly are
A fetus is a living organism, therefore it definitely deserves the right to an attorney.

Does a tree?

A tree is not a human being

You said "living organism"


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A fetus is a living organism, therefore it definitely deserves the right to an attorney.

Does a tree?

A tree is not a human being

You said "living organism"

We don't need to discuss semantics


 
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A fetus is a living organism, therefore it definitely deserves the right to an attorney.

Does a tree?

A tree is not a human being

You said "living organism"

We don't need to discuss semantics

That is the entire judicial process.