Sep7agon's favorite television host weighs in on you-know-who

Verbatim · November 14, 2016, 12:20:19 AM

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Five letters, starts with "T." Can't even say it without getting pissed anymore.

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Verbatim · November 14, 2016, 12:39:42 AM

Quote from: Iberian Husky on November 14, 2016, 12:32:15 AM

"Hindsight, much like the year we're all now desperately looking forward to, is 2020."

Mordo · November 14, 2016, 12:42:46 AM

"Not available in your country"

Damn, and I really wanted to see a fellow limey reiterate the current year on a computer screen over and over.

Verbatim · November 14, 2016, 12:45:05 AM

Quote from: MAGA Man on November 14, 2016, 12:42:46 AM

"Not available in your country"

Damn, and I really wanted to see a fellow limey reiterate the current year on a computer screen over and over.

I've literally never heard him say anything like "come on guys it's 2016."

SecondClass · November 14, 2016, 12:51:20 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on November 14, 2016, 12:45:05 AM

Quote from: MAGA Man on November 14, 2016, 12:42:46 AM
"Not available in your country"

Damn, and I really wanted to see a fellow limey reiterate the current year on a computer screen over and over.
I've literally never heard him say anything like "come on guys it's 2016."

shh, they don't like it when you criticize their forced memes

Verbatim · November 14, 2016, 12:53:12 AM

"Yes, the sun will rise each day. But the continuing rotation of the Earth should not be your baseline expectation of American society."

Korra · November 14, 2016, 01:07:56 AM

This isn't my favorite tv show though.

Azendac · November 14, 2016, 04:00:35 AM

That was fun, I was impressed by his complete lack of understanding of the winning side and why he lost, as well as his ability to take anything out of context.

For starters, I like how he portrayed Obama as being dejected about the result, facebook being to blame, and "giving trump a chance" to be retarded. Despite Obama being the one to ask for a chance on behalf of Trump, and Facebook actively censoring conservative news outlets.

I enjoyed the bit where he acted like Trump was backpedaling on Obama care by saying he'd keep the two agreeable parts that everyone liked and asked him to keep, while abandoning the 900 other pages of obamacare, and up to 20,000 related legal documents

I thoroughly applauded the part where he claimed there was a consensus on the issue of man made global warming, when there isn't one yet, and I was in tears when he tried to defend the legitimacy of fact checkers this cycle:

I'm thinking of writing up an autopsy report on this election cycle, I'll meticulously source it too, and one of the key pieces of data I have for understanding it is this demographic history of immigrants by pew research center, notice the exponential growth in mexicans, it doubles every decade for the past 40 years.

If you want to understand what happened in America, read this from pewresearch.

tl;dr I want the meta audience

Azendac · November 14, 2016, 04:13:51 AM

Ah, I forgot this other tab I had open. It's a moot point bringing up the khan family to attack Trump, when their son was killed in the war that Hillary Clinton voted for.

Azendac · November 14, 2016, 04:16:23 AM

There was yet another tab, when Trump talked about "opening up the libel laws" I'm pretty sure he was referring to New York Times Co. v. Sullivan Which effectively allowed the media to attack him the entire campaign without facing repercussions.

nͫiͤcͫeͤ · November 14, 2016, 04:51:31 AM

is this le current year man?

Anonymous (User Deleted) · November 14, 2016, 08:12:56 AM

Quote from: Azendac on November 14, 2016, 04:13:51 AM

Ah, I forgot this other tab I had open. It's a moot point bringing up the khan family to attack Trump, when their son was killed in the war that Hillary Clinton voted for.

I'm no fan of Hillary, but people should be allowed to be wrong about an issue and change their stance. Her vote for Iraq does little to validate Trump's despicable attacks on the Khan family.

Quote from: Azendac on November 14, 2016, 04:16:23 AM

There was yet another tab, when Trump talked about "opening up the libel laws" I'm pretty sure he was referring to New York Times Co. v. Sullivan Which effectively allowed the media to attack him the entire campaign without facing repercussions.

Great job putting words in his mouth. He never said anything of the sort.

Furthermore, considering that Trump won the election after all, he'd have an incredibly difficult time arguing in court that the media's campaign against him damaged him.

Elai · November 14, 2016, 08:21:07 AM

John Oliver is the best and arguably smartest of the late night crew (unless you count someone like Bill Maher, maybe) but he is dreadfully unfunny. I'd much prefer his show drop the comedy shtick and stick with opinionated commentary.

i am karjala takaisin · November 14, 2016, 09:24:02 AM

Quote from: SecondClass on November 14, 2016, 12:51:20 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on November 14, 2016, 12:45:05 AM
Quote from: MAGA Man on November 14, 2016, 12:42:46 AM
"Not available in your country"

Damn, and I really wanted to see a fellow limey reiterate the current year on a computer screen over and over.
I've literally never heard him say anything like "come on guys it's 2016."
shh, they don't like it when you criticize their forced memes

what the fuck was this meme even meant to imply

like yeah, news flash fucker: some ideas have no place in mainstream 21st century society

and if it's just a simple mockery of its apparent overuse: does the guy really even say it that much?

Azendac · November 14, 2016, 11:43:30 AM

Quote from: Kupo & the Two G-strings on November 14, 2016, 08:12:56 AM

Quote from: Azendac on November 14, 2016, 04:13:51 AM
Ah, I forgot this other tab I had open. It's a moot point bringing up the khan family to attack Trump, when their son was killed in the war that Hillary Clinton voted for.
I'm no fan of Hillary, but people should be allowed to be wrong about an issue and change their stance. Her vote for Iraq does little to validate Trump's despicable attacks on the Khan family.

Except it was a remark about Islam's poor treatment of women under sharia law, "I wonder why miss khan didn't say anything, maybe she wasn't allowed", which is a fair question to ask.

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Quote from: Azendac on November 14, 2016, 04:16:23 AM
There was yet another tab, when Trump talked about "opening up the libel laws" I'm pretty sure he was referring to New York Times Co. v. Sullivan Which effectively allowed the media to attack him the entire campaign without facing repercussions.
Great job putting words in his mouth. He never said anything of the sort.

Furthermore, considering that Trump won the election after all, he'd have an incredibly difficult time arguing in court that the media's campaign against him damaged him.

Given that he already made reference to the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 with the intention of changing it, I don't think it's a stretch that he would also know about the ruling passed in 1964 that has allowed for an overwhelmingly negative coverage of his campaign

Azendac · November 14, 2016, 11:45:35 AM

Quote from: http://www.sep7agon.net on November 14, 2016, 09:24:02 AM

Quote from: SecondClass on November 14, 2016, 12:51:20 AM
Quote from: Verbatim on November 14, 2016, 12:45:05 AM
Quote from: MAGA Man on November 14, 2016, 12:42:46 AM
"Not available in your country"

Damn, and I really wanted to see a fellow limey reiterate the current year on a computer screen over and over.
I've literally never heard him say anything like "come on guys it's 2016."
shh, they don't like it when you criticize their forced memes
what the fuck was this meme even meant to imply

like yeah, news flash fucker: some ideas have no place in mainstream 21st century society

and if it's just a simple mockery of its apparent overuse: does the guy really even say it that much?

The meme was that people would use the highlighted bit as the entire argument, "You're wrong because your ideas are outdated". Newtonian physics are also outdated, what's your point?

SecondClass · November 14, 2016, 11:48:32 AM

Quote from: Azendac on November 14, 2016, 11:45:35 AM

Quote from: http://www.sep7agon.net on November 14, 2016, 09:24:02 AM
Quote from: SecondClass on November 14, 2016, 12:51:20 AM
Quote from: Verbatim on November 14, 2016, 12:45:05 AM
Quote from: MAGA Man on November 14, 2016, 12:42:46 AM
"Not available in your country"

Damn, and I really wanted to see a fellow limey reiterate the current year on a computer screen over and over.
I've literally never heard him say anything like "come on guys it's 2016."
shh, they don't like it when you criticize their forced memes
what the fuck was this meme even meant to imply

like yeah, news flash fucker: some ideas have no place in mainstream 21st century society

and if it's just a simple mockery of its apparent overuse: does the guy really even say it that much?
The meme was that people would use the highlighted bit as the entire argument, "You're wrong because your ideas are outdated". Newtonian physics are also outdated, what's your point?

But they're not. Newtonian physics are very much relevant in today's world.

Damaging social constructs like homophobia and sexism, not so much.

Azendac · November 14, 2016, 11:55:08 AM

Quote from: SecondClass on November 14, 2016, 11:48:32 AM

Quote from: Azendac on November 14, 2016, 11:45:35 AM
Quote from: http://www.sep7agon.net on November 14, 2016, 09:24:02 AM
Quote from: SecondClass on November 14, 2016, 12:51:20 AM
Quote from: Verbatim on November 14, 2016, 12:45:05 AM
Quote from: MAGA Man on November 14, 2016, 12:42:46 AM
"Not available in your country"

Damn, and I really wanted to see a fellow limey reiterate the current year on a computer screen over and over.
I've literally never heard him say anything like "come on guys it's 2016."
shh, they don't like it when you criticize their forced memes
what the fuck was this meme even meant to imply

like yeah, news flash fucker: some ideas have no place in mainstream 21st century society

and if it's just a simple mockery of its apparent overuse: does the guy really even say it that much?
The meme was that people would use the highlighted bit as the entire argument, "You're wrong because your ideas are outdated". Newtonian physics are also outdated, what's your point?
But they're not. Newtonian physics are very much relevant in today's world.

Yes and no, they are still universally used for modelling/simulations, education, conceptual understanding, and the limiting case for newer theories. But it is both outdated in that it is centuries old, and that Maxwell's electromagnetism proved it to be woefully incapable of explaining a lot of physically important concepts (electromagnetism itself, quantum effects, everything about general relativity, quantum fields, probably lots of other specialist topics). In fact, special relativity was discovered by trying to reconcile Newtonian forces with Maxwell's constant speed of light. The point being that something can be outdated AND revered by everyone/good for it's purpose, so simply being outdated isn't the problem here.

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Damaging social constructs like homophobia and sexism, not so much.

And if that's the discussion people want to have, then the arguments need to be more convincing than "you're wrong because your time is up".

Anonymous (User Deleted) · November 14, 2016, 12:21:34 PM

Quote from: Azendac on November 14, 2016, 11:43:30 AM

Except it was a remark about Islam's poor treatment of women under sharia law, "I wonder why miss khan didn't say anything, maybe she wasn't allowed", which is a fair question to ask.

To me, it sounded completely uncalled for, and didn't have any basis in reality pertaining to the Khans. It's not like Trump doesn't have a history of ad hominem whenever someone criticizes him.

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Given that he already made reference to the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 with the intention of changing it, I don't think it's a stretch that he would also know about the ruling passed in 1964 that has allowed for an overwhelmingly negative coverage of his campaign

What does Trump's statements on immigration have to do with libel laws? It doesn't change the fact that you're putting words in his mouth. That's a huge stretch and you know it.

And as I already said, he won, plus he did make a number of damaging statements on his own (here's one), so it'd be incredibly difficult for him to *demonstrate to a court* that the media's campaign damaged him.

But to be clear, I'm not denying that the media was clearly biased against the guy, and that they did push things that often weren't entirely accurate.

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · November 14, 2016, 12:23:19 PM

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Luciana · November 14, 2016, 12:41:29 PM

Quote from: MAGA Man on November 14, 2016, 12:42:46 AM

"Not available in your country"

Damn, and I really wanted to see a fellow limey reiterate the current year on a computer screen over and over.

It's John Oliver. You're not missing much other than a constant reminder he's not Jon Stewart.

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Azendac · November 14, 2016, 01:15:46 PM

Quote from: Kupo & the Two G-strings on November 14, 2016, 12:21:34 PM

Quote from: Azendac on November 14, 2016, 11:43:30 AM
Except it was a remark about Islam's poor treatment of women under sharia law, "I wonder why miss khan didn't say anything, maybe she wasn't allowed", which is a fair question to ask.
To me, it sounded completely uncalled for, and didn't have any basis in reality pertaining to the Khans. It's not like Trump doesn't have a history of ad hominem whenever someone criticizes him.

Khan brought his wife onto the stage with him while she wore an Islamic outfit, yet she didn't say anything. And if you say "she was grieving over her dead son" then why is she supporting the women who played a role in his son's death? and why is she attacking the man who wants to stop fighting wars in the middle east?

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Given that he already made reference to the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 with the intention of changing it, I don't think it's a stretch that he would also know about the ruling passed in 1964 that has allowed for an overwhelmingly negative coverage of his campaign
What does Trump's statements on immigration have to do with libel laws? It doesn't change the fact that you're putting words in his mouth. That's a huge stretch and you know it.

And as I already said, he won, plus he did make a number of damaging statements on his own (here's one), so it'd be incredibly difficult for him to *demonstrate to a court* that the media's campaign damaged him.

But to be clear, I'm not denying that the media was clearly biased against the guy, and that they did push things that often weren't entirely accurate.

Because both rulings pertain to major campaign promises of his, and both were made in the mid 1960s, I am assuming that his team would do their own internal research into the legality of his proposals, which is probably why he singled out the year 1965 in particular in his immigration speech. Now If you think I'm reading to much into this then I'll drop the point, but his campaign slogan is Janus faced, "Make America Great Again" does imply overturning recent developments and a return to earlier historical norms.

As for the pussy tape, he had two years of nonstop media coverage before that, it's up to his lawyers to find something worthy of court among that.

Anonymous (User Deleted) · November 14, 2016, 01:24:44 PM

Quote from: Azendac on November 14, 2016, 01:15:46 PM

Khan brought his wife onto the stage with him while she wore an Islamic outfit, yet she didn't say anything. And if you say "she was grieving over her dead son" then why is she supporting the women who played a role in his son's death? and why is she attacking the man who wants to stop fighting wars in the middle east?

I still think that's a bit of a stretch. She's not obligated to say anything if she doesn't want to.

EDIT: Actually, I do disagree on the latter point somewhat. The Khan family rightfully called out a presidential candidate when they though he was inflaming tensions against the Muslim community. But that's not to say that it somehow validates Clinton's support of the war, either.

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Because both rulings pertain to major campaign promises of his, and both were made in the mid 1960s, I am assuming that his team would do their own internal research into the legality of his proposals, which is probably why he singled out the year 1965 in particular in his immigration speech. Now If you think I'm reading to much into this then I'll drop the point, but his campaign slogan is Janus faced, "Make America Great Again" does imply overturning recent developments and a return to earlier historical norms.

As for the pussy tape, he had two years of nonstop media coverage before that, it's up to his lawyers to find something worthy of court among that.

Since he hasn't mentioned that specifically, I'm not inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. We'll have to wait and see, though.

I only used the pussy tape as a single example, considering he's made a number of damaging statements over the past 30 years or so. It's not like two years of media coverage ruined his reputation as 'most trusted man in America.'

Azendac · November 14, 2016, 01:36:20 PM

Quote from: Kupo & the Two G-strings on November 14, 2016, 01:24:44 PM

Sure, better to attack the man himself than his wife, but he did build his campaign on being outrageous. And honest debate doesn't steal the headlines.

And it really is up to him and his team to prove themselves in court. I myself am not happy that he cheated on his first wife, but w/e.

aREALgod · November 14, 2016, 06:45:32 PM

You're so petty