Sen. Murphy Filibustering Spending Bill over Gun Control

Alternative Facts · June 15, 2016, 11:27:31 AM

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Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) has launched a talking filibuster on the Senate floor in an effort to force Republicans and Democrats to come to an agreement on legislation to deny suspected terrorists from purchasing firearms and requiring universal background checks.

The Senate is debating a spending bill that Democrats hope to offer gun amendments to, but Murphy said that the Senate should “not proceed with debate on amendments to this bill until we have figured out a way to come together on, at the very least, two simple ideas.”

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Luciana · June 15, 2016, 02:33:10 PM

If we can't decide better laws to stop terrorists and people on that list to get guns, we really are fucked.

Mordo · June 15, 2016, 02:56:09 PM

Quote from: Luciana on June 15, 2016, 02:33:10 PM

If we can't decide better laws to stop terrorists and people on that list to get guns, we really are fucked.

I'd generally consider myself to be a proponent of more stringent gun control in the US, but c'mon, gun control didn't stop the Paris attackers from obtaining kalashnikovs and slaughtering 130 people in November 2015.

Does it render the acquirement of firearms more difficult? Yeah, but to pretend like gun laws alone are gonna stop terrorists is a pretty infantile position to take. Not that I'm categorizing you in that camp, but I'm tired of seeing one faceted solutions to this problem. "WE NEED GUN CONTROL AND GUN CONTROL ALONE, BAN THE MUDSLIMES" etc etc.

Too much of this debate lacks nuance, imo.

DAS B00T x2 · June 15, 2016, 03:28:01 PM

AWW YEAH BABY, SEQUESTER HERE WE COME

Jono · June 15, 2016, 04:04:59 PM

I'm still waiting for politicians to push for stricter car ownership laws to prevent car accidents from happening

DAS B00T x2 · June 15, 2016, 04:23:16 PM

Quote from: Jono on June 15, 2016, 04:04:59 PM

I'm still waiting for politicians to push for stricter car ownership laws to prevent car accidents from happening

They've been doing that since the 70's and more states are adopting helmet laws for bikers.
The only people who actually notice the NHTSA and EPA mandates are the automakers themselves and journalists.
It started with just post accident safety measures, mandatory sat belts, then airbags, then crash test performance minimums that creep higher each year, but now give it a decade or two and all this crash avoidance/automatic braking/lane detection/antitailgating tech will be required for new cars by the DOD/NHTSA/NTSB/Whatever other relevant bureau

Alternative Facts · June 15, 2016, 06:54:20 PM

Quote from: Jono on June 15, 2016, 04:04:59 PM

I'm still waiting for politicians to push for stricter car ownership laws to prevent car accidents from happening

Because there are certainly no regulations on cars. No mandatory classes to drive a car, no requirement to renew your license for a car, no requirement that you have car insurance.

MyNameIsCharlie · June 15, 2016, 08:01:13 PM

Jono got BTFO ITT

Aside from a Strict Constitutional argument, I have yet to see a coherent argument against adding a few checks and balances to firearm purchases.

Luciana · June 15, 2016, 08:02:13 PM

Quote from: ｓａｄｂｏｉ４２０ミームを吸い込みます on June 15, 2016, 02:56:09 PM

I'd generally consider myself to be a proponent of more stringent gun control in the US, but c'mon, gun control didn't stop the Paris attackers from obtaining kalashnikovs and slaughtering 130 people in November 2015.

Yeah, the one mass shooting Paris has had in forever as opposed to the double digit numbers the US gets every single year.

"You can't stop it from happening", says the only country where it regularly happens.

And I never said (nor do I think anyone thinks) gun control would fix all of the issues. I said in another thread that no one answer is the answer. But to think something will change when we continue to do nothing, is the definition of insanity.

Mordo · June 15, 2016, 11:01:18 PM

Quote from: Luciana on June 15, 2016, 08:02:13 PM

Quote from: ｓａｄｂｏｉ４２０ミームを吸い込みます on June 15, 2016, 02:56:09 PM
I'd generally consider myself to be a proponent of more stringent gun control in the US, but c'mon, gun control didn't stop the Paris attackers from obtaining kalashnikovs and slaughtering 130 people in November 2015.
Yeah, the one mass shooting Paris has had in forever as opposed to the double digit numbers the US gets every single year.

"You can't stop it from happening", says the only country where it regularly happens.

And I never said (nor do I think anyone thinks) gun control would fix all of the issues. I said in another thread that no one answer is the answer. But to think something will change when we continue to do nothing, is the definition of insanity.

I literally just said I'm not categorizing you in that way, as it helps when you don't cherry pick people's arguments. Your post was framed like harder gun laws could've prevented this, and I'm merely clearing up the misconceptions for anyone uneducated on this issue that happens to stumble upon your post. Gun regulation in the US needs to be changed, absolutely, but it doesn't prevent atrocities like this if someone has the motive.

Turkey · June 16, 2016, 10:56:03 AM

Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on June 15, 2016, 08:01:13 PM

Jono got BTFO ITT

Aside from a Strict Constitutional argument, I have yet to see a coherent argument against adding a few checks and balances to firearm purchases.

-These "checks are balances" are rarely articulated by their proponents, and often amount to banning scary black guns with tacticool attachments
-Proponents have demonstrated a consistent ignorance of guns, gun law, and the opposing viewpoints
-Often-touted "checks and balances" generally preclude due process and public record to compile lists of "suspects", and frequently include restricting the rights of those with mental handicaps, despite very little correlation between mental illness and violent crime, especially mass shootings

I posted an entire thread about this subject.

http://sep7agon.net/serious/talking-productively-about-gun-control/

Turkey · June 16, 2016, 10:58:05 AM

The filibuster has ended:

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/orlando-nightclub-massacre/filibuster-ends-after-gop-agrees-allow-gun-control-votes-senator-n593396

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"What unites all of these shootings, from Littleton to Aurora, to Newtown, to Blacksburg to Orlando, is that the weapon of choice in every case is a gun — often a very powerful gun, an AR-15 or an AR-15-style gun that was designed for the military, for law enforcement to kill as many people as quickly as possible," Murphy said.

This senator thinks scary black semi-auto rifles were designed for cops and soldiers to kill as many people as possible. Democrats should be embarrassed that this guy is spearheading the effort.

DAS B00T x2 · June 16, 2016, 11:14:24 AM

Fuck me, it's like something that Gersh Kuntzman guy would have said in that article where he makes a complete fool of himself.