Russell Brand drops his anti-voting stance and urges people to vote Green

More Than Mortal · May 01, 2015, 08:10:19 PM

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FUCK OFF YOU PUERILE CUNT

Pendulate · May 01, 2015, 08:13:30 PM

Go easy on him. He's not as flaky as he used to be.

Incan · May 01, 2015, 08:22:49 PM

Can he just fuck off? I don't get why people care about him.

Dan · May 01, 2015, 08:41:57 PM

Quote from: Incan on May 01, 2015, 08:22:49 PM

Can he just fuck off? I don't get why people care about him.

because he's flamboyant...err.. Something like that

Super Irish · May 01, 2015, 09:07:23 PM

BrenMan 94 · May 01, 2015, 09:41:27 PM

Verbatim · May 01, 2015, 11:56:44 PM

Quote from: BrenMan 94 on May 01, 2015, 09:41:27 PM

yes, in order to get your message heard in a capitalistic society, you need to take advantage of capitalism

even if your message is that capitalism is evil (and it is)

i don't see your point
it's not like we can just opt out of capitalism if we disagree with it

Verbatim · May 01, 2015, 11:58:58 PM

i mean i don't like russell brand either, but that's just a stupid image

More Than Mortal · May 02, 2015, 12:08:31 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on May 01, 2015, 11:56:44 PM

even if your message is that capitalism is evil (and it is)

On what grounds?

It's the most productive system in the history of human economics, and will only die once it commits suicide by innovation. Even if you don't like the faults of capitalism (and yes, it has faults), there are no alternatives. Morality isn't an intellectual plaything to be mired in unrealistic counterfactuals; it's a very real and objective account of macro- and micro-social well-being.

I have never seen a system proposed that could even reach the levels of wealth and prosperity--for everybody involved--as capitalism does, in either practice or theory. The private accumulation of capital, wage labour and competition are what allowed us (and is still allowing us) to drag ourselves out of millennia of darkness and barbarism. To say it's an "evil" system is to do it a massive injustice.

King pesto · May 02, 2015, 02:21:51 AM

I can't take people who take anti-capitalist stances seriously at all, not even artists with apolitical material. It just demonstrates complete fuckheadery.

BrenMan 94 · May 02, 2015, 04:33:34 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on May 01, 2015, 11:56:44 PM

Quote from: BrenMan 94 on May 01, 2015, 09:41:27 PM
yes, in order to get your message heard in a capitalistic society, you need to take advantage of capitalism

even if your message is that capitalism is evil (and it is)

i don't see your point
it's not like we can just opt out of capitalism if we disagree with it

You can at least take measures to mitigate your profits. The fact that he's profiting off of an anti-capitalist message is laughable. It's the same reason why I can't take Rage Against the Machine's political message seriously, even if they make good music.

challengerX · May 02, 2015, 05:46:33 AM

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Verbatim · May 02, 2015, 09:51:34 AM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on May 02, 2015, 12:08:31 AM

On what grounds?

okay, capitalism isn't as evil as it has an intense propensity to create evil
things that have a high propensity to create evil may as well be evil themselves

if you can honestly read the words "social hierarchy" or "social stratification" without wanting to vomit, i don't quite know what to say to you

you talk about the lack of alternatives--you haven't lived other alternatives
it's not that there's no alternatives--it's that no alternatives have been done right

i'm just saying, living in a country where we forcefully shove all future generations into excruciating student debt, costs are determined not meritoriously but by the irrational concept of "supply & demand", the rich do not pay their fair share in taxes, corporations can have a death grip on every consumer's balls if there's no competition in the market, and if there is competition in the market, duping us into thinking that one thing is really so much better than the other, the fresh cannot make a livable wage on their first shitty-ass dead-end job, 1% of the population being fucking homeless, and for those of us in the population who are smart enough to realize that eating animals/their extracts is also evil and unsustainable, some of us have to skip meals--often whole days without food--because they cannot afford expensive vegan food

it doesn't give me a good impression on the wonders of capitalism
i've said it before and i'll say it again--out of all the things in the world that i hate

capitalism is number fucking one on that list

More Than Mortal · May 02, 2015, 10:00:20 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on May 02, 2015, 09:51:34 AM

living in a country where we forcefully shove all future generations into excruciating student debt

Which is a function of the fact that the government tells you your not allowed to default on such debt. The system in the UK is actually one of the best in the world I'd wager, and it's by no means anti-capitalist or debt-free.

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costs are determined not meritoriously but by the irrational concept of "supply & demand"

How could you even possibly price things meritoriously? You either do it by supply and demand, or not at all. Supply and demand is the only system of allocating scarce resources that actually makes sense. Trying to price things on some other notion has led to depravity every single time it has been tried, and no, it's not just a case of not being tried correctly, it just doesn't work.

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the rich do not pay their fair share in taxes

The rich contribute disproportionately to the public coffers; often at the expense of productivity growth, I might add.

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corporations can have a death grip on every consumer's balls if there's no competition in the market

Since capitalism is about competition, I don't see how this is a function of capitalism. Most competition is stifled by government regulations which restrict entry into a specific industry. Especially when it comes to intellectual property reform.

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duping us into thinking that one thing is really so much better than the other

Not really. Have you ever met anybody who's really passionate about buying Aquafresh toothpaste over Colgate, or whatever you want to use? I haven't, and if you have then it seems like you know some fucktards who wouldn't do well under any system.

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the fresh cannot make a livable wage on their first shitty-ass dead-end job

The "fresh"?

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1% of the population being fucking homeless

Not a function of capitalism; it's mostly a function of mental illness, Ronald Reagan and the shocking mental health infrastructure in America.

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and for those of us in the population who are smart enough to realize that eating animals/their extracts is also evil and unsustainable, some of us have to skip meals--often whole days without food--because they cannot afford expensive vegan food

Which is a result of companies responding to consumer demand. Not to mention, if this ever does change it will most likely be as a result of the development of synthetic meats--which is a function of capitalism.

Verbatim · May 02, 2015, 10:28:52 AM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on May 02, 2015, 10:00:20 AM

How could you even possibly price things meritoriously? You either do it by supply and demand, or not at all. Supply and demand is the only system of allocating scarce resources that actually makes sense. Trying to price things on some other notion has led to depravity every single time it has been tried, and no, it's not just a case of not being tried correctly, it just doesn't work.

please explain

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The rich contribute disproportionately to the public coffers; often at the expense of productivity growth, I might add.

and what's productivity growth

developing a new iPad?

if your new product isn't a fucking breakthrough in technology, it's probably not worth it
(but of course, due to consumer demand, it "is" worth it)
(part of the evil of capitalism is that it's self-sustaining, like a cancer)

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Since capitalism is about competition, I don't see how this is a function of capitalism. Most competition is stifled by government regulations which restrict entry into a specific industry. Especially when it comes to intellectual property reform.

it's a function of capitalism, obviously, because if you're the only one making products on the market, and you're selling a hot product, you can jack up the prices extortionately and lapdog consumers will just take it up the ass--now, you can argue that that's our fault, and that's true, but that's the sort of mentality that capitalism breeds

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Not really. Have you ever met anybody who's really passionate about buying Aquafresh toothpaste over Colgate, or whatever you want to use? I haven't, and if you have then it seems like you know some fucktards who wouldn't do well under any system.

you've never met someone who "prefers" apple to samsung?
you've never met someone who prefers xbox to playstation?
you've never heard of terms like "brand loyalty"?

there are people who won't even buy products made out of country, like it should matter

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The "fresh"?

sorry, bit of sociological terminology there

the fresh refers to those individuals who are just out of high school and are either going to college or are trying to get themselves a job--the next generation of hapless consumers, if you will

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Not a function of capitalism; it's mostly a function of mental illness, Ronald Reagan and the shocking mental health infrastructure in America.

would building homes for the homeless be a function of capitalism?

no, that would be socialism
because i believe everyone--EVERYONE--is entitled to a home

but of course not, there's money to be made

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Which is a result of companies responding to consumer demand.

which should probably raise a red flag in your mind telling you that supply & demand is a broken system

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Not to mention, if this ever does change it will most likely be as a result of the development of synthetic meats--which is a function of capitalism.

that's a function of human innovation
you can... kind of sort of not really argue that capitalism breeds innovation

but i think that's bogus

Verbatim · May 02, 2015, 10:34:33 AM

and keep in mind, as an american, i'm speaking strictly from the american perspective--i really don't know anything about the UK's systems

maybe it's better, as you say, but i mean
we don't have much a history of agreeing on shit, so, i'm not sure if i would think it's too much better

Luciana · May 02, 2015, 12:06:44 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on May 02, 2015, 10:34:33 AM

and keep in mind, as an american, i'm speaking strictly from the american perspective--i really don't know anything about the UK's systems

I think your first post more than gave away your ignorance on it.

Just know the US is either always really ahead, or really behind.

Verbatim · May 02, 2015, 12:13:26 PM

whatever that means
like, i guess in some facets, capitalism is executed better/worse in the UK compared to the US, but

either way, do you honestly believe if i knew as much about capitalism as meta, i wouldn't still hate the fuck out of it?

Verbatim · May 02, 2015, 12:46:28 PM

i live in a world where people don't work out of the goodness of their heart
they don't work because they like it
they don't work because it's the right thing to do

they work to get a fucking paycheck

and that's global
that is universal

challengerX · May 02, 2015, 01:02:13 PM

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big dog · May 02, 2015, 01:02:25 PM

Quote from: challengerX on May 02, 2015, 01:02:13 PM

Seriously though everybody vote UKIP.

lol.

maverick · May 02, 2015, 01:08:57 PM

Quote from: Pendulate on May 01, 2015, 08:13:30 PM

Go easy on him. He's not as flaky as he used to be.

FRASIER IS THAT YOU?

Luciana · May 02, 2015, 01:09:32 PM

Quote from: Fedorekd on May 02, 2015, 01:02:25 PM

Quote from: challengerX on May 02, 2015, 01:02:13 PM
Seriously though everybody vote UKIP.
lol.

But muh Xenophobia and wanting out of EU when they should be more united against Russia now than ever!!!!

Magos Domina · May 02, 2015, 01:30:51 PM

You sound upset lol

Girl of Mystery · May 02, 2015, 02:43:36 PM

Quote from: Luciana on May 02, 2015, 01:09:32 PM

Quote from: Fedorekd on May 02, 2015, 01:02:25 PM
Quote from: challengerX on May 02, 2015, 01:02:13 PM
Seriously though everybody vote UKIP.
lol.
But muh Xenophobia and wanting out of EU when they should be more united against Russia now than ever!!!!

UKIP isn't xenophobic. They want tighter immigration, i.e stopping the wastes of space and resources that add nothing to the country from coming over.

Mr. Psychologist · May 02, 2015, 04:38:22 PM

Quote from: Ayy Lemönao on May 02, 2015, 02:43:36 PM

Quote from: Luciana on May 02, 2015, 01:09:32 PM
Quote from: Fedorekd on May 02, 2015, 01:02:25 PM
Quote from: challengerX on May 02, 2015, 01:02:13 PM
Seriously though everybody vote UKIP.
lol.
But muh Xenophobia and wanting out of EU when they should be more united against Russia now than ever!!!!
UKIP isn't xenophobic. They want tighter immigration, i.e stopping the wastes of space and resources that add nothing to the country from coming over.

You did watch the 7 way election broadcast right?

Farage literally blamed everything on the immigrants, from the NHS problems (Especially hilarious given how they prop the damn system up) to the recession. Every question was met with 'we'll solve it by sorting out immigration'

Even if farage isn't xenophobic, his party is full of nutters who are.

challengerX · May 02, 2015, 04:39:39 PM

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Girl of Mystery · May 02, 2015, 04:42:04 PM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on May 02, 2015, 04:38:22 PM

Quote from: Ayy Lemönao on May 02, 2015, 02:43:36 PM
Quote from: Luciana on May 02, 2015, 01:09:32 PM
Quote from: Fedorekd on May 02, 2015, 01:02:25 PM
Quote from: challengerX on May 02, 2015, 01:02:13 PM
Seriously though everybody vote UKIP.
lol.
But muh Xenophobia and wanting out of EU when they should be more united against Russia now than ever!!!!
UKIP isn't xenophobic. They want tighter immigration, i.e stopping the wastes of space and resources that add nothing to the country from coming over.
You did watch the 7 way election broadcast right?

Farage literally blamed everything on the immigrants, from the NHS problems (Especially hilarious given how they prop the damn system up) to the recession. Every question was met with 'we'll solve it by sorting out immigration'

Even if farage isn't xenophobic, his party is full of nutters who are.

I didn't watch it because... Well, because it's boring.
There might be fucking loony xenophobic people in UKIP, but the party itself isn't xenophobic.

big dog · May 02, 2015, 04:52:25 PM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on May 02, 2015, 04:38:22 PM

Quote from: Ayy Lemönao on May 02, 2015, 02:43:36 PM
Quote from: Luciana on May 02, 2015, 01:09:32 PM
Quote from: Fedorekd on May 02, 2015, 01:02:25 PM
Quote from: challengerX on May 02, 2015, 01:02:13 PM
Seriously though everybody vote UKIP.
lol.
But muh Xenophobia and wanting out of EU when they should be more united against Russia now than ever!!!!
UKIP isn't xenophobic. They want tighter immigration, i.e stopping the wastes of space and resources that add nothing to the country from coming over.
You did watch the 7 way election broadcast right?

Farage literally blamed everything on the immigrants, from the NHS problems (Especially hilarious given how they prop the damn system up) to the recession. Every question was met with 'we'll solve it by sorting out immigration'

Even if farage isn't xenophobic, his party is full of nutters who are.

It was all just banter tho.

Mr. Psychologist · May 02, 2015, 05:37:38 PM

Quote from: Ayy Lemönao on May 02, 2015, 04:42:04 PM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on May 02, 2015, 04:38:22 PM
Quote from: Ayy Lemönao on May 02, 2015, 02:43:36 PM
Quote from: Luciana on May 02, 2015, 01:09:32 PM
Quote from: Fedorekd on May 02, 2015, 01:02:25 PM
Quote from: challengerX on May 02, 2015, 01:02:13 PM
Seriously though everybody vote UKIP.
lol.
But muh Xenophobia and wanting out of EU when they should be more united against Russia now than ever!!!!
UKIP isn't xenophobic. They want tighter immigration, i.e stopping the wastes of space and resources that add nothing to the country from coming over.
You did watch the 7 way election broadcast right?

Farage literally blamed everything on the immigrants, from the NHS problems (Especially hilarious given how they prop the damn system up) to the recession. Every question was met with 'we'll solve it by sorting out immigration'

Even if farage isn't xenophobic, his party is full of nutters who are.
I didn't watch it because... Well, because it's boring.
There might be fucking loony xenophobic people in UKIP, but the party itself isn't xenophobic.

It was fairly funny but ehh yeah.

Well yeah, the party might not be xenophobic on paper but if a bunch of xenophobes get elected it'll have the same effect. But then who else will save us from god's wrath over the bumboys getting married