Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 17, 2014, 07:55:38 AM

Now watch Putin use the same approaches as Hitler did to rebirth the economy. Shit is gonna get good

Riiiiiiight. You keep thinking that.

If anything drastic is going to happen, it's Putin getting ousted from government.

A lot of the things the 3rd Reich did to improve the economy was destruction of all sorts of freedom. People couldn't leave their jobs and the grand majority of all jobs were war preparations. Road building/infrastructure improvement etc. is not something Putin will be able to do. Russia has roads. It has waterways. It wouldn't have been sustainable or even been done if there wasn't going to be a major war.  Russia's going down the shitter fast and they're going to have to get their shit in order, and copying something the Germans did nearly a century ago is not only laughable, it's not even possible.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102275838
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/dec/16/russia-has-lost-economic-war-with-west-rouble-currency

Uh, many countries still do the same thing as it was done centuries ago. Something like economics and how you conduct business isn't something in constant change. The same ideas expressed by Locke and Smith centuries ago are the ones still being used to this day. Does that make them obsolete? hardly even

The Nazis HEAVILY invested in public work programs along with military conscription, which was able to bring unemployment down drastically in the course of around 5 years. And for all we know, in order to secure itself as an economic power, Russia may be planning for war; it was crazy to think the Germans were prepping for war after WWI yet they managed to subdue Europe in just a few years. Russia is also rich with natural resources, especially in Siberia which can secure them financial dependence

Yes, The Nazis did diminish personal freedom with their economic plan but Russia isn't a bustling hub of freedom itself; it's rather corrupt and not a place you'd expect to live a free life. They have a better chance getting away with this than the US or any W. European nation. But despite German citizens being forced to their job, the government still provided a generous amount of vacation time and vehicles for the citizens and people were happy; they were happy to have a job and happy to have guaranteed time off from work

Can Russia accomplish exactly what Germany did? No, but they can still do many similar things such as public works, nationalization of large corporations, government IOUs/bonds, and military conscription

These sanctions only have the effect of empowering Russia to become even more self-reliable and work to start an economic pact with many eastern European nations, Aran nations, and Asian nations

Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 17, 2014, 11:42:13 AM

Quote from: challengerX on December 17, 2014, 08:23:13 AM

Quote from: KletzenbrotEssen on December 17, 2014, 07:55:38 AM

Now watch Putin use the same approaches as Hitler did to rebirth the economy. Shit is gonna get good

Riiiiiiight. You keep thinking that.

If anything drastic is going to happen, it's Putin getting ousted from government.

A lot of the things the 3rd Reich did to improve the economy was destruction of all sorts of freedom. People couldn't leave their jobs and the grand majority of all jobs were war preparations. Road building/infrastructure improvement etc. is not something Putin will be able to do. Russia has roads. It has waterways. It wouldn't have been sustainable or even been done if there wasn't going to be a major war.  Russia's going down the shitter fast and they're going to have to get their shit in order, and copying something the Germans did nearly a century ago is not only laughable, it's not even possible.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102275838
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/dec/16/russia-has-lost-economic-war-with-west-rouble-currency

Uh, many countries still do the same thing as it was done centuries ago. Something like economics and how you conduct business isn't something in constant change. The same ideas expressed by Locke and Smith centuries ago are the ones still being used to this day. Does that make them obsolete? hardly even

We're not talking about ideas, we're talking about Russia in 2014 which is a totally different country with a totally different situation compared to Nazi Germany.

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The Nazis HEAVILY invested in public work programs along with military conscription, which was able to bring unemployment down drastically in the course of around 5 years.

Didn't say otherwise, but I mean the work that was being done which allowed for unemployed to go down was war prep. Which didn't make the country or people richer/happier, it just thought down the unemployment rate because everybody was assigned work.

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And for all we know, in order to secure itself as an economic power, Russia may be planning for war; it was crazy to think the Germans were prepping for war after WWI yet they managed to subdue Europe in just a few years. Russia is also rich with natural resources, especially in Siberia which can secure them financial dependence

I doubt it. A war would leave Russia in a far worse state. But, Putin is stupid and crazy.

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Yes, The Nazis did diminish personal freedom with their economic plan but Russia isn't a bustling hub of freedom itself; it's rather corrupt and not a place you'd expect to live a free life. They have a better chance getting away with this than the US or any W. European nation.

So because things are already bad for the Russians things should get even worse? You applaud that?

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But despite German citizens being forced to their job, the government still provided a generous amount of vacation time and vehicles for the citizens and people were happy; they were happy to have a job and happy to have guaranteed time off from work

They were worked like slaves in shitty jobs they didn't want and couldn't leave. Farmers were worked half to death. 

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Can Russia accomplish exactly what Germany did? No, but they can still do many similar things such as public works, nationalization of large corporations, government IOUs/bonds, and military conscription

They could get their act together and turn into a good country like America instead copying what a failed fascist state did nearly a century ago.

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These sanctions only have the effect of empowering Russia to become even more self-reliable

Yes, the Rouble shows how empowered Russia is right now.

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and work to start an economic pact with many eastern European nations, Aran nations, and Asian nations

Russia already has an economic pact with these nations. Eastern European nations are dead broke and worthless, and the only important Arab country that could help Russia (Saudi Arabia) is helping America fuck Russia over by lowering their oil prices (Russia is heavily dependent on oil).

You can talk shit about Obama being weak all you want, but he has effectively made Putin his bitch by playing the game right instead of talking shit and posing half naked.

We are talking about ideas; ideas on how Russia can possibly get out of this predicament. And Russia is showing quite some similarities to Germany, notably a crap economy

Not all public works the Germans did was for war, it was also to improve civil life. But it did make the country richer and it made the people happier; remember, Hitler didn't commit a military coup but he was elected as Chancellor by the people who believed in him and his ideas

War would make Russia strong as it they will show the world that they are not somebody to mess with. With war also comes conquering and Russia can easily build up new places to become new markets for Russian goods to be sold at

Did I say I applaud that? I said Russia is already lacking human rights so they have nothing to loose by being more aggressive to the people

Maybe to you, but the people accepted the work they were given and ontop of it, the government improved work by giving job security as it  was difficult for managers to fire people, work areas became tidied, canteens were built, and social facilities had been built. People also had the ability to go skiing in the Alps or take cruises on cruise ships for around 20 marks

Or they can do what they want

So the value of the Deutschmark after WWI didn't empower the people to elect a new government that brought in a different set of laws and customs? When economic woes hit, people look for the best person to handle the issue and that will be the case with Russia

Not on the scale as the EU. All he has is trade agreements. Take these countries and put them in an economic union and the west will have something to fear over. Russia, again, has large quantities of natural resources and they are more than capable of building up these other nations to become reliable markets for trade