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im confident the art industry will be the last industry robots touch


 
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lmao "risk of automation"


 
 
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lmao "risk of automation"
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i associate automation with prosperity, so it's like saying "risk of prosperity"


 
 
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I've got a very specialied job that is basically impossible to automate, so no. I do look forward to more automation in my field though, to make life easier.

I imagine automation would be fantastic for lawyers who have to deal with endless paperwork and research. Imagine if courts could be streamlined by using a database of previous cases to quickly inform judges of precedent or other shit I have no idea about.


 
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My job is in more danger from the FAA and government overregulation killing the GA industry in America than from any kind of robot takeover, tbh.


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So the jury-vac won't be appearing in courtrooms any time soon? Bummer.


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Well I want to do 3D modelling/ animation for games. Some sort of artist role, so I think I'm fairly safe from automation.


 
 
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From the list the BBC did last year, I'd have placed 2nd or 3rd on the lowest risk of automation.

Nurses, Carers and Shrinks.

Meatbags tend to want meatbags looking after them in that regard.


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Say 20XX does happen and everything gets automated, what happens to everybody financially then? Does Money only circulate between the owners of these Machines/AI or will there still be a way for people with no assets to earn an income?


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Say 20XX does happen and everything gets automated, what happens to everybody financially then? Does Money only circulate between the owners of these Machines/AI or will there still be a way for people with no assets to earn an income?

That's about the point where you're looking at post-scarcity society.

Jobs and money at that point would be a lot different and likepy more based around creative pursuits, scientific research, etc. But even then I think that in a 100% fully automated society, it's likely the concept of working a job would disappear and you'd get some sort of volunteering for your career or something.


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Here's a good article ridiculing the emerging attitude of opposition towards automation:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/bill-gates-vs-the-robots-1490559460

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Bill Gates, meet Ned Ludd. Ned, meet Bill.

Ludd was the 18th-century folk hero of anti-industrialists. As the possibly apocryphal story goes, in the 1770s he busted up a few stocking frames—knitting machines used to make socks and other clothing—to protest the labor-saving devices. Taking up his cause a few decades later, a band of self-described “Luddites” rebelled by smashing some of the machines that powered the Industrial Revolution.

Apparently this is the sort of behavior that would make Mr. Gates proud. Last month in an interview with the website Quartz, the Microsoft founder and richest man alive said it would be OK to tax job-killing robots. If a $50,000 worker was replaced by a robot, the government would lose income-tax revenue. Therefore, Mr. Gates suggested, the feds can make up their loss with “some type of robot tax.”

This is the dumbest idea since Messrs. Smoot and Hawley rampaged through the U.S. Capitol in 1930. It’s a shame, especially since Bill Gates is one of my heroes.

When I started working on Wall Street, I was taken into rooms with giant sheets of paper spread across huge tables. People milled about armed with rulers, pencils and X-Acto Knives, creating financial models and earnings estimates.

Spreadsheets, get it? This all disappeared quickly when VisiCalc, Lotus 1-2-3 and eventually Microsoft Excel automated the calculations. Some fine motor-skill workers and maybe a few math majors lost jobs, but hundreds of thousands more were hired to model the world. Should we have taxed software because it killed jobs? Put levies on spell checkers because copy editors are out of work?

Mr. Gates killed as many jobs as anyone: secretaries, typesetters, tax accountants—the list doesn’t end. It’s almost indiscriminate destruction. But he’s my hero because he made the world productive, rolling over mundane and often grueling jobs with automation. The American Dream is not sorting airline tickets, setting type or counting $20 bills. Better jobs emerged.

Mr. Gates may be worth $86 billion—who’s counting?—but the rest of the world made multiples of his fortune using his tools. Society as a whole is better off. In August 1981, when Microsoft’s operating system first began to ship, U.S. employment stood at 91 million jobs. The economy has since added 53 million jobs, outpacing the rate of population growth.

Even better, the Third World is rising out of poverty because of improved logistics from personal computers and servers. This has dramatically lowered the cost of basic food, energy and health care. None of this happens without productive tools—doing more with less.

What’s most disturbing is that the Luddites never totally went away. How many times have we been subject to proposals that would tax progress? ObamaCare’s regulations froze the medical industry. Its 2.3% medical-device tax was even worse, discouraging investment in one of the few innovative health-care sectors. Mileage standards on automobiles were a waste of resources contributing to the moronic Detroit bailout in 2009. Even a carbon tax is Ludd-like, raising the cost of energy to slow its consumption.

There is a murmuring movement out of Europe known as “degrowth.” If this sounds to you like a cabal of cave dwellers, you’re not that far off. Degrowth Week in Budapest last summer featured enchanting sessions like this one: “Popular competence building against the Technocracy.” Channeling Ludd, industrial insurgents and sustainability samurais want to keep things the way they are, like the eco-protesters at Standing Rock. The site degrowth.org is clear about the movement’s unproductive goals: Consume less and share more.

OK, but do you want to give up Google Maps, Snapchat and future innovations? Pry them out of my cold dead thumbs. Surely Mr. Gates knows that his charitable foundation’s efforts to eradicate malaria and other diseases require a lot of productive capital and hard work. I can’t picture him clamoring to tax robots that lower the cost of malaria drugs or mosquito nets. That kind of tax would kill off the next wave of disease-killing productivity.

I don’t think Mr. Gates wants to be the poster boy for the degrowth movement. He knows how hard progress is. After PCs, Microsoft missed the start of every subsequent technology trend: browsers, video streaming, search, smartphones and cloud computing. Today the company is playing catchup with neural computing, which drives image recognition and other robotic cognitive skills. This type of innovation, even if it destroys jobs near-term, needs to be nurtured and encouraged. Burden progress with taxes, and degrowth is what you’ll get.


 
 
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My job in Geology would be pretty solid. Robots can't traverse around wilderness very well without specialised designs, and then that compromises it's rock-identifying ability, let alone a robot's interpretation for the area (the "creative" side of Geology). I'm thinking at the most automated of a career, you'd send a robot out but you'd still have to identify and work on it, kinda like the Mars rovers.

But then again, jobs in geology would have to be stable in the first place. The fun stuff is research or resource based, both require money or the promise of it, and both are in short supply atm.

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