Replace Columbus Day with Indigenous People Day?

 
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Personally, I'm for this. Europeans didn't discover the Americas. People were already here.

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I figure the purpose of such a holiday as Columbus Day would be to celebrate the achievements of your ancestors, not to twist them into a means of white guilting everyone.

It's not about making you feel guilty. It's about stopping the whitewash of history that paints a monster as a great man. Columbus was as bad as Hitler or Stalin. Read up on what he did. He ordered the rape, murder and enslavement of an entire people. He committed genocide and got a national holiday out of it.
It's celebrated to commemorate the discovery of America in Western civilization. If it absolutely had to be change, "America Day" or "Discovery Day" would be much more accurate than "Indigenous People Day".

Again, America was already discovered by the people here. Indigenous People Day celebrates the ones who actually did it first
...and that's not the point of the holiday. Discovery by Western civilization. Columbus was a terrible man, but his discovery voyage is one of the two most important events of the era, and the most important for the state of the Americas themselves today. History would have played out much differently if it weren't for Columbus, and that's why it's celebrated: he's fundamentally the reason why we are here right now.

Why is Europe so special that it holds primacy over everyone else?
Probably because Europe shaped the modern world as we know it and dominated basically the entire world for centuries. It's the same as asking why the Roman empire shaped much of Europe.
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Personally, I'm for this. Europeans didn't discover the Americas. People were already here.

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I figure the purpose of such a holiday as Columbus Day would be to celebrate the achievements of your ancestors, not to twist them into a means of white guilting everyone.

It's not about making you feel guilty. It's about stopping the whitewash of history that paints a monster as a great man. Columbus was as bad as Hitler or Stalin. Read up on what he did. He ordered the rape, murder and enslavement of an entire people. He committed genocide and got a national holiday out of it.
It's celebrated to commemorate the discovery of America in Western civilization. If it absolutely had to be change, "America Day" or "Discovery Day" would be much more accurate than "Indigenous People Day".

Again, America was already discovered by the people here. Indigenous People Day celebrates the ones who actually did it first
...and that's not the point of the holiday. Discovery by Western civilization. Columbus was a terrible man, but his discovery voyage is one of the two most important events of the era, and the most important for the state of the Americas themselves today. History would have played out much differently if it weren't for Columbus, and that's why it's celebrated: he's fundamentally the reason why we are here right now.

Why is Europe so special that it holds primacy over everyone else?
Probably because that, over the continent, Europe has collectively owned the entire world over the course of history. So yeah, Europe is pretty important historically. Which is the point of Columbus day, to commemorate a historically important event: Columbus' discovery of America.


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Personally, I'm for this. Europeans didn't discover the Americas. People were already here.

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I figure the purpose of such a holiday as Columbus Day would be to celebrate the achievements of your ancestors, not to twist them into a means of white guilting everyone.

It's not about making you feel guilty. It's about stopping the whitewash of history that paints a monster as a great man. Columbus was as bad as Hitler or Stalin. Read up on what he did. He ordered the rape, murder and enslavement of an entire people. He committed genocide and got a national holiday out of it.
It's celebrated to commemorate the discovery of America in Western civilization. If it absolutely had to be change, "America Day" or "Discovery Day" would be much more accurate than "Indigenous People Day".

Again, America was already discovered by the people here. Indigenous People Day celebrates the ones who actually did it first
...and that's not the point of the holiday. Discovery by Western civilization. Columbus was a terrible man, but his discovery voyage is one of the two most important events of the era, and the most important for the state of the Americas themselves today. History would have played out much differently if it weren't for Columbus, and that's why it's celebrated: he's fundamentally the reason why we are here right now.

Why is Europe so special that it holds primacy over everyone else?
Probably because that, over the continent, Europe has collectively owned the entire world over the course of history. So yeah, Europe is pretty important historically. Which is the point of Columbus day, to commemorate a historically important event: Columbus' discovery of America.

So Europe is the ONLY region worthy of celebration?


 
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Considering you live in a western nation, you will get highlights of European holidays. He never said it was the ONLY one worth celebrating, only that it contributed a huge amount on the world.


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Considering you live in a western nation, you will get highlights of European holidays. He never said it was the ONLY one worth celebrating, only that it contributed a huge amount on the world.

But there are ONLY European holidays being celebrated. That's what we are discussing here, repurposing one of them...


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His eyebrows sparkling, his white beard hangs down to his chest. The thatched mats, spread outside his chise, spread softly, his splendid attos. He polishes, cross-legged, his makiri, with his eyes completely absorbed.

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The god of Ainu Mosir, Ae-Oine Kamuy, descendant of Okiku-Rumi, He perishes, a living corpse. The summers day, the white sunlight, unabrushed, ends simply through his breath alone.
Personally, I'm for this. Europeans didn't discover the Americas. People were already here.

Discuss
I figure the purpose of such a holiday as Columbus Day would be to celebrate the achievements of your ancestors, not to twist them into a means of white guilting everyone.

It's not about making you feel guilty. It's about stopping the whitewash of history that paints a monster as a great man. Columbus was as bad as Hitler or Stalin. Read up on what he did. He ordered the rape, murder and enslavement of an entire people. He committed genocide and got a national holiday out of it.
It's celebrated to commemorate the discovery of America in Western civilization. If it absolutely had to be change, "America Day" or "Discovery Day" would be much more accurate than "Indigenous People Day".

Again, America was already discovered by the people here. Indigenous People Day celebrates the ones who actually did it first
...and that's not the point of the holiday. Discovery by Western civilization. Columbus was a terrible man, but his discovery voyage is one of the two most important events of the era, and the most important for the state of the Americas themselves today. History would have played out much differently if it weren't for Columbus, and that's why it's celebrated: he's fundamentally the reason why we are here right now.

Why is Europe so special that it holds primacy over everyone else?
Probably because that, over the continent, Europe has collectively owned the entire world over the course of history. So yeah, Europe is pretty important historically. Which is the point of Columbus day, to commemorate a historically important event: Columbus' discovery of America.

So Europe is the ONLY region worthy of celebration?


I didn't say that Europe is the only region worth celebrating, I'm explaining why a holiday based on European discovery is about European discovery. I'm not opposed to an Indigenous People Day, as it's own holiday; there's just simply no logical reason to change a holiday in observance of Western expansion to one of the pre-existing natives. The native peoples didn't arrive in America on October 12th, either, as far as I'm aware.


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His eyebrows sparkling, his white beard hangs down to his chest. The thatched mats, spread outside his chise, spread softly, his splendid attos. He polishes, cross-legged, his makiri, with his eyes completely absorbed.

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The god of Ainu Mosir, Ae-Oine Kamuy, descendant of Okiku-Rumi, He perishes, a living corpse. The summers day, the white sunlight, unabrushed, ends simply through his breath alone.
Considering you live in a western nation, you will get highlights of European holidays. He never said it was the ONLY one worth celebrating, only that it contributed a huge amount on the world.

But there are ONLY European holidays being celebrated. That's what we are discussing here, repurposing one of them...
What is Cinco de Mayo

What is Christmas

What is Easter

What is the 4th of July

What is President's Day

What is MLK Day

What is Cรฉsar Chรกvez Day

What is San Jacinto Day


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Considering you live in a western nation, you will get highlights of European holidays. He never said it was the ONLY one worth celebrating, only that it contributed a huge amount on the world.

But there are ONLY European holidays being celebrated. That's what we are discussing here, repurposing one of them...
What is Cinco de Mayo

What is Christmas

What is Easter

What is the 4th of July

What is President's Day

What is MLK Day

What is Cรฉsar Chรกvez Day

What is San Jacinto Day

All but Cinco De Mayo (which isn't celebrated in Mexico) are all religious or don't mention the people who were already here.

There are no holidays celebrating those who were here.


 
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All but Cinco De Mayo (which isn't celebrated in Mexico) are all religious or don't mention the people who were already here.

There are no holidays celebrating those who were here.
maybe they don't need or want or care for one

if they did, maybe they wouldn't need an old white guy to speak up for them
just saying
Last Edit: October 12, 2015, 12:31:09 PM by Verbatim


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His eyebrows sparkling, his white beard hangs down to his chest. The thatched mats, spread outside his chise, spread softly, his splendid attos. He polishes, cross-legged, his makiri, with his eyes completely absorbed.

He is Ainu.

The god of Ainu Mosir, Ae-Oine Kamuy, descendant of Okiku-Rumi, He perishes, a living corpse. The summers day, the white sunlight, unabrushed, ends simply through his breath alone.
But there are ONLY European holidays being celebrated. That's what we are discussing here, repurposing one of them...
What is Cinco de Mayo

What is Christmas

What is Easter

What is the 4th of July

What is President's Day

What is MLK Day

What is Cรฉsar Chรกvez Day

What is San Jacinto Day

All but Cinco De Mayo (which isn't celebrated in Mexico) are all religious or don't mention the people who were already here.

There are no holidays celebrating those who were here.
>Moving the goalpost

You said the only holidays observed are European holidays; that is factually untrue. And nobody is saying there shouldn't be a holiday about the people who were here first. It's just silly to change a different holiday to justify it. Make it June 29th, or October 11th, or even October 12th; more than one holiday can be observed in the same day. Just don't push this idea that Columbus day is just a celebration of wanton murder and destruction, because it isn't.


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All but Cinco De Mayo (which isn't celebrated in Mexico) are all religious or don't mention the people who were already here.

There are no holidays celebrating those who were here.
maybe they don't need or want or care for one

if they did, maybe they wouldn't need an old white guy to speak up for them
just saying

Umm... You do know this didn't start with me, right?


 
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Umm... You do know this didn't start with me, right?
you're the first person i've ever seen talk about this pressing issue, yes


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His eyebrows sparkling, his white beard hangs down to his chest. The thatched mats, spread outside his chise, spread softly, his splendid attos. He polishes, cross-legged, his makiri, with his eyes completely absorbed.

He is Ainu.

The god of Ainu Mosir, Ae-Oine Kamuy, descendant of Okiku-Rumi, He perishes, a living corpse. The summers day, the white sunlight, unabrushed, ends simply through his breath alone.
Umm... You do know this didn't start with me, right?
you're the first person i've ever seen talk about this pressing issue, yes
It's observed in California, Washington, South Dakota, and Minnesota instead of Columbus Day.


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Happy COLUMBUS day.

Fuck indigenous people. If they're so smart, how come they're all dead.
and an unwillingness for inter-cooperation until it was too late.


 
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Personally, I'm for this. Europeans didn't discover the Americas. People were already here.

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I figure the purpose of such a holiday as Columbus Day would be to celebrate the achievements of your ancestors, not to twist them into a means of white guilting everyone.

It's not about making you feel guilty. It's about stopping the whitewash of history that paints a monster as a great man. Columbus was as bad as Hitler or Stalin. Read up on what he did. He ordered the rape, murder and enslavement of an entire people. He committed genocide and got a national holiday out of it.
It's celebrated to commemorate the discovery of America in Western civilization. If it absolutely had to be change, "America Day" or "Discovery Day" would be much more accurate than "Indigenous People Day".

Again, America was already discovered by the people here. Indigenous People Day celebrates the ones who actually did it first
...and that's not the point of the holiday. Discovery by Western civilization. Columbus was a terrible man, but his discovery voyage is one of the two most important events of the era, and the most important for the state of the Americas themselves today. History would have played out much differently if it weren't for Columbus, and that's why it's celebrated: he's fundamentally the reason why we are here right now.

Why is Europe so special that it holds primacy over everyone else?
May or may not have something to do with Euroland being our heritage. Just a thought on my end, there.


Columbus fucked me. I went to the bank for nothing, forgetting about this stupid fucking holiday.
Fuckin hell, it took me this goddamn long to realize why I didn't get my mail today.


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Personally, I'm for this. Europeans didn't discover the Americas. People were already here.

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I figure the purpose of such a holiday as Columbus Day would be to celebrate the achievements of your ancestors, not to twist them into a means of white guilting everyone.

It's not about making you feel guilty. It's about stopping the whitewash of history that paints a monster as a great man. Columbus was as bad as Hitler or Stalin. Read up on what he did. He ordered the rape, murder and enslavement of an entire people. He committed genocide and got a national holiday out of it.
You go ahead and repeat that to every America you meet, every little kid and young impressionable person you meet, and you tell me how they respond to it. There's nothing wrong with coming to terms of your people's history, in fact I'd consider it the duty of every citizen to know their country's past, my country New Zealand has a similar story; But what your asking for is nothing short of self flagellation, and that is not going to achieve anything beneficial to anybody.
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Personally, I'm for this. Europeans didn't discover the Americas. People were already here.

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I figure the purpose of such a holiday as Columbus Day would be to celebrate the achievements of your ancestors, not to twist them into a means of white guilting everyone.

It's not about making you feel guilty. It's about stopping the whitewash of history that paints a monster as a great man. Columbus was as bad as Hitler or Stalin. Read up on what he did. He ordered the rape, murder and enslavement of an entire people. He committed genocide and got a national holiday out of it.
You go ahead and repeat that to every America you meet, every little kid and young impressionable person you meet, and you tell me how they respond to it. There's nothing wrong with coming to terms of your people's history, in fact I'd consider it the duty of every citizen to know their country's past, my country New Zealand has a similar story; But what your asking for is nothing short of self flagellation, and that is not going to achieve anything beneficial to anybody.

Several states already feel as I do


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His eyebrows sparkling, his white beard hangs down to his chest. The thatched mats, spread outside his chise, spread softly, his splendid attos. He polishes, cross-legged, his makiri, with his eyes completely absorbed.

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The god of Ainu Mosir, Ae-Oine Kamuy, descendant of Okiku-Rumi, He perishes, a living corpse. The summers day, the white sunlight, unabrushed, ends simply through his breath alone.
Happy COLUMBUS day.

Fuck indigenous people. If they're so smart, how come they're all dead.
and an unwillingness for inter-cooperation until it was too late.

Reminder that the Iroquois destroyed an entire group of Native Americans (Algonquins, a loose confederacy of hundreds of tribes linked by a common language) after the French settled in NA.

Reminder that, even during Pontiac's Rebellion, Native Americans sided with the colonists.

Reminder that the Apache were warmongers who didn't care who they fought as long as they got to bully someone.

It wasn't until Pontiac's Rebellion that there was even a semblance of unison among the hundreds of native American tribes, and even then he only got as far as he did because of the Delaware Prophet.

The whole "noble savage" meme needs to die off. They were responsible for atrocities and amazing feats of their own accord, like any other "civilization" (quoted because I wouldn't exactly call the conglomerate of cultures one civilization honestly). Just like Europeans, they had their own struggles with each other over hunting grounds, status, and revenge.
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Personally, I'm for this. Europeans didn't discover the Americas. People were already here.

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I figure the purpose of such a holiday as Columbus Day would be to celebrate the achievements of your ancestors, not to twist them into a means of white guilting everyone.

It's not about making you feel guilty. It's about stopping the whitewash of history that paints a monster as a great man. Columbus was as bad as Hitler or Stalin. Read up on what he did. He ordered the rape, murder and enslavement of an entire people. He committed genocide and got a national holiday out of it.
You go ahead and repeat that to every America you meet, every little kid and young impressionable person you meet, and you tell me how they respond to it. There's nothing wrong with coming to terms of your people's history, in fact I'd consider it the duty of every citizen to know their country's past, my country New Zealand has a similar story; But what your asking for is nothing short of self flagellation, and that is not going to achieve anything beneficial to anybody.

Several states already feel as I do
Even if everybody in the entire world missed the point, then the only thing that implies, is that everybody has missed the point. Do you honestly not understand the kind of message that you'd be conveying, that those states are conveying, by spreading this message?


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His eyebrows sparkling, his white beard hangs down to his chest. The thatched mats, spread outside his chise, spread softly, his splendid attos. He polishes, cross-legged, his makiri, with his eyes completely absorbed.

He is Ainu.

The god of Ainu Mosir, Ae-Oine Kamuy, descendant of Okiku-Rumi, He perishes, a living corpse. The summers day, the white sunlight, unabrushed, ends simply through his breath alone.
Do you honestly not understand the kind of message that you'd be conveying, that those states are conveying, by spreading this message?
That you can selectively choose which parts of history you can remember, and how to remember them?

That's completely true though :^)
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Personally, I'm for this. Europeans didn't discover the Americas. People were already here.

Discuss
I figure the purpose of such a holiday as Columbus Day would be to celebrate the achievements of your ancestors, not to twist them into a means of white guilting everyone.

It's not about making you feel guilty. It's about stopping the whitewash of history that paints a monster as a great man. Columbus was as bad as Hitler or Stalin. Read up on what he did. He ordered the rape, murder and enslavement of an entire people. He committed genocide and got a national holiday out of it.
You go ahead and repeat that to every America you meet, every little kid and young impressionable person you meet, and you tell me how they respond to it. There's nothing wrong with coming to terms of your people's history, in fact I'd consider it the duty of every citizen to know their country's past, my country New Zealand has a similar story; But what your asking for is nothing short of self flagellation, and that is not going to achieve anything beneficial to anybody.

Several states already feel as I do
Even if everybody in the entire world missed the point, then the only thing that implies, is that everybody has missed the point. Do you honestly not understand the kind of message that you'd be conveying, that those states are conveying, by spreading this message?

Or just you missed the point


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Personally, I'm for this. Europeans didn't discover the Americas. People were already here.

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I figure the purpose of such a holiday as Columbus Day would be to celebrate the achievements of your ancestors, not to twist them into a means of white guilting everyone.

It's not about making you feel guilty. It's about stopping the whitewash of history that paints a monster as a great man. Columbus was as bad as Hitler or Stalin. Read up on what he did. He ordered the rape, murder and enslavement of an entire people. He committed genocide and got a national holiday out of it.
You go ahead and repeat that to every America you meet, every little kid and young impressionable person you meet, and you tell me how they respond to it. There's nothing wrong with coming to terms of your people's history, in fact I'd consider it the duty of every citizen to know their country's past, my country New Zealand has a similar story; But what your asking for is nothing short of self flagellation, and that is not going to achieve anything beneficial to anybody.

Several states already feel as I do
Even if everybody in the entire world missed the point, then the only thing that implies, is that everybody has missed the point. Do you honestly not understand the kind of message that you'd be conveying, that those states are conveying, by spreading this message?

Or just you missed the point
I was including myself when I said everyone: Even if I'm wrong with everyone else, then the only thing that implies is that we are all wrong together. Please try not to avoid the discussion we're having.


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Personally, I'm for this. Europeans didn't discover the Americas. People were already here.

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I figure the purpose of such a holiday as Columbus Day would be to celebrate the achievements of your ancestors, not to twist them into a means of white guilting everyone.

It's not about making you feel guilty. It's about stopping the whitewash of history that paints a monster as a great man. Columbus was as bad as Hitler or Stalin. Read up on what he did. He ordered the rape, murder and enslavement of an entire people. He committed genocide and got a national holiday out of it.
You go ahead and repeat that to every America you meet, every little kid and young impressionable person you meet, and you tell me how they respond to it. There's nothing wrong with coming to terms of your people's history, in fact I'd consider it the duty of every citizen to know their country's past, my country New Zealand has a similar story; But what your asking for is nothing short of self flagellation, and that is not going to achieve anything beneficial to anybody.

Several states already feel as I do
Even if everybody in the entire world missed the point, then the only thing that implies, is that everybody has missed the point. Do you honestly not understand the kind of message that you'd be conveying, that those states are conveying, by spreading this message?

Or just you missed the point
I was including myself when I said everyone: Even if I'm wrong with everyone else, then the only thing that implies is that we are all wrong together. Please try not to avoid the discussion we're having.

It's not "everyone" else.

4 states have already made the switch. The rest need to follow suit


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Personally, I'm for this. Europeans didn't discover the Americas. People were already here.

Discuss
I figure the purpose of such a holiday as Columbus Day would be to celebrate the achievements of your ancestors, not to twist them into a means of white guilting everyone.

It's not about making you feel guilty. It's about stopping the whitewash of history that paints a monster as a great man. Columbus was as bad as Hitler or Stalin. Read up on what he did. He ordered the rape, murder and enslavement of an entire people. He committed genocide and got a national holiday out of it.
You go ahead and repeat that to every America you meet, every little kid and young impressionable person you meet, and you tell me how they respond to it. There's nothing wrong with coming to terms of your people's history, in fact I'd consider it the duty of every citizen to know their country's past, my country New Zealand has a similar story; But what your asking for is nothing short of self flagellation, and that is not going to achieve anything beneficial to anybody.

Several states already feel as I do
Even if everybody in the entire world missed the point, then the only thing that implies, is that everybody has missed the point. Do you honestly not understand the kind of message that you'd be conveying, that those states are conveying, by spreading this message?

Or just you missed the point
I was including myself when I said everyone: Even if I'm wrong with everyone else, then the only thing that implies is that we are all wrong together. Please try not to avoid the discussion we're having.

It's not "everyone" else.

4 states have already made the switch. The rest need to follow suit
I think you misunderstand, that was a very general statement I made that could be applied to literally any proposition you could conceive of.

To clarify, consider a person who thinks that:
7*2 = -3246843
This is wrong and can be proven so. Now if instead of one person who wrongly believed in that, you had a thousand, a million, the entire world, or any arbitrary amount of people who believe in that, then it would still be false. A statement's truth does not depend in any way shape or from upon how many people believe in it.

The reason why I'm explaining this is because you seem to think that "multiple states have already replaced Columbus day" somehow implies "replacing Columbus day is a good thing" which is just as ludicrous as the equation above.
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Now please just answer the question that you keep avoiding, Do you honestly not understand the kind of message that you'd be conveying, that those states are conveying, by spreading this message? Do you not see how you are simply trying to guilt trip people?


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Personally, I'm for this. Europeans didn't discover the Americas. People were already here.

Discuss
I figure the purpose of such a holiday as Columbus Day would be to celebrate the achievements of your ancestors, not to twist them into a means of white guilting everyone.

It's not about making you feel guilty. It's about stopping the whitewash of history that paints a monster as a great man. Columbus was as bad as Hitler or Stalin. Read up on what he did. He ordered the rape, murder and enslavement of an entire people. He committed genocide and got a national holiday out of it.
You go ahead and repeat that to every America you meet, every little kid and young impressionable person you meet, and you tell me how they respond to it. There's nothing wrong with coming to terms of your people's history, in fact I'd consider it the duty of every citizen to know their country's past, my country New Zealand has a similar story; But what your asking for is nothing short of self flagellation, and that is not going to achieve anything beneficial to anybody.

Several states already feel as I do
Even if everybody in the entire world missed the point, then the only thing that implies, is that everybody has missed the point. Do you honestly not understand the kind of message that you'd be conveying, that those states are conveying, by spreading this message?

Or just you missed the point
I was including myself when I said everyone: Even if I'm wrong with everyone else, then the only thing that implies is that we are all wrong together. Please try not to avoid the discussion we're having.

It's not "everyone" else.

4 states have already made the switch. The rest need to follow suit
I think you misunderstand, that was a very general statement I made that could be applied to literally any proposition you could conceive of.

To clarify, consider a person who thinks that:
7*2 = -3246843
This is wrong and can be proven so. Now if instead of one person who wrongly believed in that, you had a thousand, a million, the entire world, or any arbitrary amount of people who believe in that, then it would still be false. A statement's truth does not depend in any way shape or from upon how many people believe in it.

The reason why I'm explaining this is because you seem to think that "multiple states have already replaced Columbus day" somehow implies "replacing Columbus day is a good thing" which is just as ludicrous as the equation above.
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Now please just answer the question that you keep avoiding, Do you honestly not understand the kind of message that you'd be conveying, that those states are conveying, by spreading this message? Do you not see how you are simply trying to guilt trip people?

Your logic cuts both ways. As I see it, everyone has been wrong, and a few right are changing things.

Now, this isn't about making anyone feel guilty. It's about ending a holiday named for a man who was as bad as any monster you can name.


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Can we not? If you want your own holiday then make it happen, don't just rename another one.


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His eyebrows sparkling, his white beard hangs down to his chest. The thatched mats, spread outside his chise, spread softly, his splendid attos. He polishes, cross-legged, his makiri, with his eyes completely absorbed.

He is Ainu.

The god of Ainu Mosir, Ae-Oine Kamuy, descendant of Okiku-Rumi, He perishes, a living corpse. The summers day, the white sunlight, unabrushed, ends simply through his breath alone.
And yet we have an holiday where an old man reverse-burglarizes your house and spoils your children, and a holiday where we celebrate the rise of a lich.

Hypocrites, all of you.


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The whole "noble savage" meme needs to die off.
dont be so condescending. no one was invoking noble savage. of course the realities were more nuanced than pop. history makes people think they are. YOU are the one who claimed that they refused to cooperate. intellectually you must realize that is false. many natives attempted to live alongside the colonists and engage in peaceful commerce, just as many natives actively engaged in fighting the colonists. you cant color an entire people the same way; the natives exist as a diaspora.



just as one counterexample, the cherokee organized a government and attempted to protect themselves legally when their peaceful integration into white society was threatened. im sure you know what happened to them.

http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/history-archaeology/cherokee-removal


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His eyebrows sparkling, his white beard hangs down to his chest. The thatched mats, spread outside his chise, spread softly, his splendid attos. He polishes, cross-legged, his makiri, with his eyes completely absorbed.

He is Ainu.

The god of Ainu Mosir, Ae-Oine Kamuy, descendant of Okiku-Rumi, He perishes, a living corpse. The summers day, the white sunlight, unabrushed, ends simply through his breath alone.
YOU are the one who claimed that they refused to cooperate.
Intercooperation, Azu, as in banding together; there wasn't enough unity among the various Indian tribes to effectively resist the European settlers from expanding (until it was too late). I'm not saying that they didn't try to intermingle with settlers. Hell, natives in French territory (sans the Iroquois, but that's because the French tried to help the Algonquins) loved the settlers and were pissed when they got booted out post-F&I War. I literally made that point (that it's inaccurate to paint them as a unified nation due to the fact that there were hundreds of tribes along the Western US alone) in the very post you quoted.

And I realized last night that the last bit came off snarkily, that's why I altered it so that it wasn't directed at you, just in general. From childhood, Americans are raised on false impressions of historical events (for example, the Mayflower came to the New World 100 years after Columbus' last voyage to the Americas. Not days, months, or even years later) and I just find it a little unsettling that people like to raise a ruckus about one thing (Columbus) but not literally everything else about the time period.
Last Edit: October 13, 2015, 01:07:42 PM by Prime Megaten