Quote from: Luciana on October 08, 2015, 02:38:18 PMI never said we should apologize, in fact I specifically said that in one post. I simply said we should remember it as it happened. Learn to understand the points I am making please.We do. I don't understand what the problem is here, then.Colombus himself didn't even kill anyone.It's not like we have a General Custer Memorial day.
I never said we should apologize, in fact I specifically said that in one post. I simply said we should remember it as it happened. Learn to understand the points I am making please.
Does Germany have a national Hitler day? Or Russia a Stalin day? How about Eastern Europe having a Khan day? No, they don't. Because some men don't deserve to be celebrated.
Columbus was a piece of shit, but just because Columbus wasn't the first arrival here doesn't mean he didn't "discover" it.Newton discovered the law of gravity, but that shit existed beforehand too.
>Eastern Europe having a Khan dayYou know that guy was from Mongolia, right?And that he went through a lot of places before he reached Eastern Europe?
Also it was Leif Erikson who discovered it first.NYUNGA HINGA DURGA
His father Erik the Red discovered Greenland though. He established settlements in modern day Qarortoq and Nuukhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Settlementhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_SettlementHell, a guy named Bjarni Herjólfsson was the one who originally made landfall at Helluland and prompted Erikson to make his journey.
Personally, I'm for this. Europeans didn't discover the Americas. People were already here.Discuss
Happy Thanksgiving everyone.
Quote from: Minuano on October 08, 2015, 11:50:32 AMHappy Thanksgiving everyone.Thanksgiving was a celebration by Puritans, a way of "celebrating God's bountiful offerings as a sign of their eternal salvation".
Quote from: Prime Megaten on October 12, 2015, 01:31:42 AMQuote from: Minuano on October 08, 2015, 11:50:32 AMHappy Thanksgiving everyone.Thanksgiving was a celebration by Puritans, a way of "celebrating God's bountiful offerings as a sign of their eternal salvation".Yeah but Canada is celebrating Thanksgiving this weekend.That's why I said it, lol.
I thought that was a "many holidays are celebrated around events that had unfortunate outcomes" kind of post.
Quote from: Prime Megaten on October 12, 2015, 01:34:01 AMI thought that was a "many holidays are celebrated around events that had unfortunate outcomes" kind of post.Yeah... nope lol.
Columbus went to the Caribbean originally looking for gold, then threatened and killed a lot of the natives when they didn't know how to tell them that there was no gold. He later went on to enslave the natives to make them farm sugar, since he discovered that it was a cash crop that grew really well there, until they basically all died out from disease. Then he essentially became one of the main key players that made the African slave trade so prominent, as he shipped over hundreds of slaves across the Atlantic to make him more money.Yeah, great guy.
Happy COLUMBUS day. Fuck indigenous people. If they're so smart, how come they're all dead.
Quote from: Prime Megaten on October 12, 2015, 09:06:31 AMQuote from: ☢ Nuketown on October 12, 2015, 03:55:49 AMColumbus went to the Caribbean originally looking for gold, then threatened and killed a lot of the natives when they didn't know how to tell them that there was no gold. He later went on to enslave the natives to make them farm sugar, since he discovered that it was a cash crop that grew really well there, until they basically all died out from disease. Then he essentially became one of the main key players that made the African slave trade so prominent, as he shipped over hundreds of slaves across the Atlantic to make him more money.Yeah, great guy.He originally set off to reach India and set a new trade route since the Mediterranean path was cut off at that point by the Ottomans. He wouldn't have eventually made it to India, too, if I weren't for two continents being in the way.The rest is true for subsequent voyages, though. Although the slave trade wasn't nearly as popular at that time as you're implying; indentured servants made up the bulk of the labor force until the late 17th or early 18th century, after the founding of Jamestown.And the slavery bit didn't really start in Spanish-America until Encomienda, which was outlawed by the Queen and the Pope once they got wind of it.Well yeah, he was trying to find a shorter route to India but that's the part of the story that pretty much everyone knows. Also no, Columbus primarily used slaves. Indentured servants primarily existed in Maryland/Virginia, and while there might've been some beyond that, slaves were the primary workforce. Especially for Columbus. Indentured servants required some kind of compensation (land, usually) and freedom after so many years of work.
Quote from: ☢ Nuketown on October 12, 2015, 03:55:49 AMColumbus went to the Caribbean originally looking for gold, then threatened and killed a lot of the natives when they didn't know how to tell them that there was no gold. He later went on to enslave the natives to make them farm sugar, since he discovered that it was a cash crop that grew really well there, until they basically all died out from disease. Then he essentially became one of the main key players that made the African slave trade so prominent, as he shipped over hundreds of slaves across the Atlantic to make him more money.Yeah, great guy.He originally set off to reach India and set a new trade route since the Mediterranean path was cut off at that point by the Ottomans. He wouldn't have eventually made it to India, too, if I weren't for two continents being in the way.The rest is true for subsequent voyages, though. Although the slave trade wasn't nearly as popular at that time as you're implying; indentured servants made up the bulk of the labor force until the late 17th or early 18th century, after the founding of Jamestown.And the slavery bit didn't really start in Spanish-America until Encomienda, which was outlawed by the Queen and the Pope once they got wind of it.
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 08, 2015, 10:43:39 AMPersonally, I'm for this. Europeans didn't discover the Americas. People were already here.DiscussI figure the purpose of such a holiday as Columbus Day would be to celebrate the achievements of your ancestors, not to twist them into a means of white guilting everyone.
Quote from: Cadenza on October 12, 2015, 01:00:11 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 08, 2015, 10:43:39 AMPersonally, I'm for this. Europeans didn't discover the Americas. People were already here.DiscussI figure the purpose of such a holiday as Columbus Day would be to celebrate the achievements of your ancestors, not to twist them into a means of white guilting everyone.It's not about making you feel guilty. It's about stopping the whitewash of history that paints a monster as a great man. Columbus was as bad as Hitler or Stalin. Read up on what he did. He ordered the rape, murder and enslavement of an entire people. He committed genocide and got a national holiday out of it.
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 12, 2015, 11:25:08 AMQuote from: Cadenza on October 12, 2015, 01:00:11 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 08, 2015, 10:43:39 AMPersonally, I'm for this. Europeans didn't discover the Americas. People were already here.DiscussI figure the purpose of such a holiday as Columbus Day would be to celebrate the achievements of your ancestors, not to twist them into a means of white guilting everyone.It's not about making you feel guilty. It's about stopping the whitewash of history that paints a monster as a great man. Columbus was as bad as Hitler or Stalin. Read up on what he did. He ordered the rape, murder and enslavement of an entire people. He committed genocide and got a national holiday out of it.It's celebrated to commemorate the discovery of America in Western civilization. If it absolutely had to be change, "America Day" or "Discovery Day" would be much more accurate than "Indigenous People Day".
Quote from: Prime Megaten on October 12, 2015, 11:28:01 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 12, 2015, 11:25:08 AMQuote from: Cadenza on October 12, 2015, 01:00:11 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 08, 2015, 10:43:39 AMPersonally, I'm for this. Europeans didn't discover the Americas. People were already here.DiscussI figure the purpose of such a holiday as Columbus Day would be to celebrate the achievements of your ancestors, not to twist them into a means of white guilting everyone.It's not about making you feel guilty. It's about stopping the whitewash of history that paints a monster as a great man. Columbus was as bad as Hitler or Stalin. Read up on what he did. He ordered the rape, murder and enslavement of an entire people. He committed genocide and got a national holiday out of it.It's celebrated to commemorate the discovery of America in Western civilization. If it absolutely had to be change, "America Day" or "Discovery Day" would be much more accurate than "Indigenous People Day".Again, America was already discovered by the people here. Indigenous People Day celebrates the ones who actually did it first
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 12, 2015, 11:35:38 AMQuote from: Prime Megaten on October 12, 2015, 11:28:01 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 12, 2015, 11:25:08 AMQuote from: Cadenza on October 12, 2015, 01:00:11 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 08, 2015, 10:43:39 AMPersonally, I'm for this. Europeans didn't discover the Americas. People were already here.DiscussI figure the purpose of such a holiday as Columbus Day would be to celebrate the achievements of your ancestors, not to twist them into a means of white guilting everyone.It's not about making you feel guilty. It's about stopping the whitewash of history that paints a monster as a great man. Columbus was as bad as Hitler or Stalin. Read up on what he did. He ordered the rape, murder and enslavement of an entire people. He committed genocide and got a national holiday out of it.It's celebrated to commemorate the discovery of America in Western civilization. If it absolutely had to be change, "America Day" or "Discovery Day" would be much more accurate than "Indigenous People Day".Again, America was already discovered by the people here. Indigenous People Day celebrates the ones who actually did it first...and that's not the point of the holiday. Discovery by Western civilization. Columbus was a terrible man, but his discovery voyage is one of the two most important events of the era, and the most important for the state of the Americas themselves today. History would have played out much differently if it weren't for Columbus, and that's why it's celebrated: he's fundamentally the reason why we are here right now.
Replace Columbus Day with Indigenous People Day?
