Rape by deception

Turkey · January 25, 2015, 09:26:08 PM

I was watching Dateline because I'm a fucking loser, and there was a report about a man who pretended to be a British spy and generally lied about his entire life, including the multiple past wives he had as well as 11 children, all to his current wife (who aborted her pregnancy when she found out about his life).

Long story short she brought him up on several charges, including 'rape by deception, because she consented to a persona that was essentially a complete fabrication. The court did not convict him of anything but theft by deception with 3 years in prison and $4,000 in damages to the wife.

What are your thoughts on this? Should rape by deception a crime? Should it be a sex offense but not rape? Should it even warrant itself as a crime at all?

Dustin · January 25, 2015, 09:39:14 PM

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rC · January 25, 2015, 09:44:09 PM

can't rape your wife

Dustin · January 25, 2015, 09:49:17 PM

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ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · January 25, 2015, 09:53:19 PM

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rC · January 25, 2015, 09:53:54 PM

Quote from: Dustin' on January 25, 2015, 09:49:17 PM

Quote from: RC on January 25, 2015, 09:44:09 PM
can't rape your wife
Why are you so butthurt about that, you're probably the kind of faggot who'd enjoy being raped by your imaginary boyfriend

men can't rape each other because it isn't real sex; it's just sin.

maverick · January 25, 2015, 11:00:05 PM

That's fucking stupid. I don't want to be considered a victim blamer but some women will just milk that udder dry.

Anonymous (User Deleted) · January 25, 2015, 11:06:14 PM

I sympathize with her that she was deceived, but that's a bit of a stretch.

Solonoid · January 25, 2015, 11:34:55 PM

No, consent in the moment is all that is necessary.
You can't change your mind later just because you found out something unsavory, that's unfair to everyone else involved.

What if I had sex with a girl and she found out that I was an ex-con, and she said that she would never have sex with a criminal, and I therefore raped her.

At the time, she gave me no notion that there was any condition under which she would not have sex with me, and even if she had, that's still an offense that should be settled in a civil suit.

More Than Mortal · January 26, 2015, 01:28:49 AM

If rape by deception is a crime then so is fucking somebody while you have make-up on.

Super Irish · January 26, 2015, 01:58:48 AM

That's a bit silly.

She fell in love with a man because he sounded like he came from a James Bond film, then calls it rape when it isn't true?

It sounds like I'm blaming her for this, but c'mon, if someone said they were a government spy for a living, why would you believe them?

The guy's an asshole, but considering the outlandishness of his lie I can't really see her belief of the lie being the reason she had sex with him.

Hahaha, rape by deception... couples lie to have a relationship, but to be fair not as bad as this guy.

aREALgod · January 26, 2015, 02:14:36 AM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on January 26, 2015, 01:28:49 AM

If rape by deception is a crime then so is fucking somebody while you have make-up on.

Or role-play

Mordo · January 26, 2015, 02:36:22 AM

My Aunt married a guy similar to this although not quite as ostentatious and dramatic as this facade.

Muffin Master · January 26, 2015, 08:03:14 AM

That would be fucking stupid, ridiculous. She chose to spread her legs for him, lmao. Her fault she was gullible. :L

Forgewolf · January 26, 2015, 08:18:54 AM

A co-worker of mine might suffer a similar fate. She is bearing a child from a man that claims to work in Intelligence. His latest mission is being trained in Washington before being shipped out to Russia to prevent war. Lol.. Seriously?

The man is hardly around too

Statefarm · January 26, 2015, 11:08:35 AM

Doesn't matter how you were seduced...once you do the act in full agreement and good health the consequences are yours to deal with not a court.

Alternative Facts · January 26, 2015, 11:11:13 AM

This would be an actual example of rape by deception:

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In California, on February 20, 2009, Julio Morales snuck into a sleeping 18-year-old woman’s darkened bedroom after he saw her boyfriend leave. The woman said she awoke to the sensation of someone having sex with her and assumed it was her boyfriend. When a ray of light hit Morales’s face, and the woman saw he was not her boyfriend, she fought back and Morales fled. The woman called her boyfriend, who then called the police. Julio Morales was convicted of rape under two concepts. He was guilty of rape because he began having sex with the woman while she was still asleep and, therefore, unable to consent. He was also guilty of rape-by-fraud because he had impersonated the woman’s boyfriend in order to gain her consent

Statefarm · January 26, 2015, 11:16:09 AM

Quote from: Icy on January 26, 2015, 11:11:13 AM

This would be an actual example of rape by deception:

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In California, on February 20, 2009, Julio Morales snuck into a sleeping 18-year-old woman’s darkened bedroom after he saw her boyfriend leave. The woman said she awoke to the sensation of someone having sex with her and assumed it was her boyfriend. When a ray of light hit Morales’s face, and the woman saw he was not her boyfriend, she fought back and Morales fled. The woman called her boyfriend, who then called the police. Julio Morales was convicted of rape under two concepts. He was guilty of rape because he began having sex with the woman while she was still asleep and, therefore, unable to consent. He was also guilty of rape-by-fraud because he had impersonated the woman’s boyfriend in order to gain her consent

This is understandable. The women in the OP definitely wasn't raped.

The Lord Slide Rule · January 26, 2015, 03:15:01 PM

Quote from: Icy on January 26, 2015, 11:11:13 AM

This would be an actual example of rape by deception:

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In California, on February 20, 2009, Julio Morales snuck into a sleeping 18-year-old woman’s darkened bedroom after he saw her boyfriend leave. The woman said she awoke to the sensation of someone having sex with her and assumed it was her boyfriend. When a ray of light hit Morales’s face, and the woman saw he was not her boyfriend, she fought back and Morales fled. The woman called her boyfriend, who then called the police. Julio Morales was convicted of rape under two concepts. He was guilty of rape because he began having sex with the woman while she was still asleep and, therefore, unable to consent. He was also guilty of rape-by-fraud because he had impersonated the woman’s boyfriend in order to gain her consent

pretty sure that's just rape.

Turkey · January 27, 2015, 12:08:43 AM

Quote from: Icy on January 26, 2015, 11:11:13 AM

This would be an actual example of rape by deception:

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In California, on February 20, 2009, Julio Morales snuck into a sleeping 18-year-old woman’s darkened bedroom after he saw her boyfriend leave. The woman said she awoke to the sensation of someone having sex with her and assumed it was her boyfriend. When a ray of light hit Morales’s face, and the woman saw he was not her boyfriend, she fought back and Morales fled. The woman called her boyfriend, who then called the police. Julio Morales was convicted of rape under two concepts. He was guilty of rape because he began having sex with the woman while she was still asleep and, therefore, unable to consent. He was also guilty of rape-by-fraud because he had impersonated the woman’s boyfriend in order to gain her consent

I feel a little weird about this. Maybe something along the lines of "violent deception", but two counts of rape for one act of rape?

January 27, 2015, 01:10:21 AM

That's fucking retarded. First having drunk sex is considered rape, now lying to your partner is? Ugh.