Quote from: CAESAR JIHADIVS on December 22, 2014, 03:15:51 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 03:10:55 PMQuote from: CAESAR JIHADIVS on December 22, 2014, 02:53:42 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 02:44:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 22, 2014, 02:43:26 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 02:11:09 PMQuote from: Fagcicle on December 22, 2014, 12:06:16 AMRussians continue to prove their lack of intelligence.How so?You can't deny him being a strong leader, something many people wantStrong leaders don't run their country into the ground. Putin is a pathetically weak leader, no amount of posturing will ever change that.How is he running the country into the ground? It's the hypocritical West that's doing it; America can invade a country but not Russia?The difference between America and Russia is that America never annexed Iraq/Afghanistan against their will and say that they were rightfully parts of "Greater America". There were a lot of opinion polls with Iraqi/Afghan civilians after their respective invasions and a majority of them supported the Americans coming in. And please don't cite that bullshit Crimean referendum. It is literally impossible for something as controversial as changing which country you're living in to get anywhere even close to 98% approval.So you can cite an opinion poll, but I can't? Talk about moving the goal posts to suit your needs. Just like Kosovo, Crimea wanted to break away from it's host country and Russia provided them supportAn opinion poll has nowhere near the same magnitude as a blatantly rigged referendum . And Putin used that same BS rhetoric of the "Kosovo precedent" to justify stealing Crimea. And Kosovo and Crimea are different stories. Kosovo wanted to be independent, and they were effectively independent for 9 years before actually declaring it. But with Crimea, they were Ukrainian one day, and Russian the next.Stop trying to move the goal posts here. If the West can go into Kosovo, then Russia has the same right to go into a place that wanted to be independent. This is the exact reason the West is so damn hypocritical of somebody they're scared shitless of
Quote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 03:10:55 PMQuote from: CAESAR JIHADIVS on December 22, 2014, 02:53:42 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 02:44:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 22, 2014, 02:43:26 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 02:11:09 PMQuote from: Fagcicle on December 22, 2014, 12:06:16 AMRussians continue to prove their lack of intelligence.How so?You can't deny him being a strong leader, something many people wantStrong leaders don't run their country into the ground. Putin is a pathetically weak leader, no amount of posturing will ever change that.How is he running the country into the ground? It's the hypocritical West that's doing it; America can invade a country but not Russia?The difference between America and Russia is that America never annexed Iraq/Afghanistan against their will and say that they were rightfully parts of "Greater America". There were a lot of opinion polls with Iraqi/Afghan civilians after their respective invasions and a majority of them supported the Americans coming in. And please don't cite that bullshit Crimean referendum. It is literally impossible for something as controversial as changing which country you're living in to get anywhere even close to 98% approval.So you can cite an opinion poll, but I can't? Talk about moving the goal posts to suit your needs. Just like Kosovo, Crimea wanted to break away from it's host country and Russia provided them supportAn opinion poll has nowhere near the same magnitude as a blatantly rigged referendum . And Putin used that same BS rhetoric of the "Kosovo precedent" to justify stealing Crimea. And Kosovo and Crimea are different stories. Kosovo wanted to be independent, and they were effectively independent for 9 years before actually declaring it. But with Crimea, they were Ukrainian one day, and Russian the next.
Quote from: CAESAR JIHADIVS on December 22, 2014, 02:53:42 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 02:44:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 22, 2014, 02:43:26 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 02:11:09 PMQuote from: Fagcicle on December 22, 2014, 12:06:16 AMRussians continue to prove their lack of intelligence.How so?You can't deny him being a strong leader, something many people wantStrong leaders don't run their country into the ground. Putin is a pathetically weak leader, no amount of posturing will ever change that.How is he running the country into the ground? It's the hypocritical West that's doing it; America can invade a country but not Russia?The difference between America and Russia is that America never annexed Iraq/Afghanistan against their will and say that they were rightfully parts of "Greater America". There were a lot of opinion polls with Iraqi/Afghan civilians after their respective invasions and a majority of them supported the Americans coming in. And please don't cite that bullshit Crimean referendum. It is literally impossible for something as controversial as changing which country you're living in to get anywhere even close to 98% approval.So you can cite an opinion poll, but I can't? Talk about moving the goal posts to suit your needs. Just like Kosovo, Crimea wanted to break away from it's host country and Russia provided them support
Quote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 02:44:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 22, 2014, 02:43:26 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 02:11:09 PMQuote from: Fagcicle on December 22, 2014, 12:06:16 AMRussians continue to prove their lack of intelligence.How so?You can't deny him being a strong leader, something many people wantStrong leaders don't run their country into the ground. Putin is a pathetically weak leader, no amount of posturing will ever change that.How is he running the country into the ground? It's the hypocritical West that's doing it; America can invade a country but not Russia?The difference between America and Russia is that America never annexed Iraq/Afghanistan against their will and say that they were rightfully parts of "Greater America". There were a lot of opinion polls with Iraqi/Afghan civilians after their respective invasions and a majority of them supported the Americans coming in. And please don't cite that bullshit Crimean referendum. It is literally impossible for something as controversial as changing which country you're living in to get anywhere even close to 98% approval.
Quote from: challengerX on December 22, 2014, 02:43:26 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 02:11:09 PMQuote from: Fagcicle on December 22, 2014, 12:06:16 AMRussians continue to prove their lack of intelligence.How so?You can't deny him being a strong leader, something many people wantStrong leaders don't run their country into the ground. Putin is a pathetically weak leader, no amount of posturing will ever change that.How is he running the country into the ground? It's the hypocritical West that's doing it; America can invade a country but not Russia?
Quote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 02:11:09 PMQuote from: Fagcicle on December 22, 2014, 12:06:16 AMRussians continue to prove their lack of intelligence.How so?You can't deny him being a strong leader, something many people wantStrong leaders don't run their country into the ground. Putin is a pathetically weak leader, no amount of posturing will ever change that.
Quote from: Fagcicle on December 22, 2014, 12:06:16 AMRussians continue to prove their lack of intelligence.How so?You can't deny him being a strong leader, something many people want
Russians continue to prove their lack of intelligence.
Quote from: CAESAR JIHADIVS on December 22, 2014, 03:18:15 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 03:12:02 PMQuote from: CAESAR JIHADIVS on December 22, 2014, 02:58:43 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 02:11:09 PMQuote from: Fagcicle on December 22, 2014, 12:06:16 AMRussians continue to prove their lack of intelligence.How so?You can't deny him being a strong leader, something many people wantHitler and Mussolini were strong leaders as well, and look at where they got their countries to...And at least Hitler had the excuse of being a massive drug-addict and Mussolini was more motivated by a delusional ideology than personal wealth.Seeing as Hitler managed to bring Germany out of one of the worst economic disasters in history, I don't see where you're getting at Learn your history, you fucking retard.Reported for rule breaking. Enjoy your ban
Quote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 03:12:02 PMQuote from: CAESAR JIHADIVS on December 22, 2014, 02:58:43 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 02:11:09 PMQuote from: Fagcicle on December 22, 2014, 12:06:16 AMRussians continue to prove their lack of intelligence.How so?You can't deny him being a strong leader, something many people wantHitler and Mussolini were strong leaders as well, and look at where they got their countries to...And at least Hitler had the excuse of being a massive drug-addict and Mussolini was more motivated by a delusional ideology than personal wealth.Seeing as Hitler managed to bring Germany out of one of the worst economic disasters in history, I don't see where you're getting at Learn your history, you fucking retard.
Quote from: CAESAR JIHADIVS on December 22, 2014, 02:58:43 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 02:11:09 PMQuote from: Fagcicle on December 22, 2014, 12:06:16 AMRussians continue to prove their lack of intelligence.How so?You can't deny him being a strong leader, something many people wantHitler and Mussolini were strong leaders as well, and look at where they got their countries to...And at least Hitler had the excuse of being a massive drug-addict and Mussolini was more motivated by a delusional ideology than personal wealth.Seeing as Hitler managed to bring Germany out of one of the worst economic disasters in history, I don't see where you're getting at
Quote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 02:11:09 PMQuote from: Fagcicle on December 22, 2014, 12:06:16 AMRussians continue to prove their lack of intelligence.How so?You can't deny him being a strong leader, something many people wantHitler and Mussolini were strong leaders as well, and look at where they got their countries to...And at least Hitler had the excuse of being a massive drug-addict and Mussolini was more motivated by a delusional ideology than personal wealth.
Quote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 03:18:27 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 22, 2014, 03:14:25 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 03:08:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 22, 2014, 02:48:57 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 02:44:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 22, 2014, 02:43:26 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 02:11:09 PMQuote from: Fagcicle on December 22, 2014, 12:06:16 AMRussians continue to prove their lack of intelligence.How so?You can't deny him being a strong leader, something many people wantStrong leaders don't run their country into the ground. Putin is a pathetically weak leader, no amount of posturing will ever change that.How is he running the country into the ground?By fucking with Ukraine knowing damn well sanctions would be put into place. He doesn't care, because his personal wealth isn't really affected. QuoteIt's the hypocritical West that's doing it;Calm down there Babushka. QuoteAmerica can invade a country but not Russia?https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/loaded-questionExcept Ukraine owed Russia a lot of money. Russia had all the rights to "fuck with" UkraineNope. No country has the right to declare war on another because they want to relive the glory days of fascism. QuoteOne day China is going to coming knocking on America's door for it's money they have given usLOL No they aren't. QuoteJust pointing out how the West are masters at hypocrisyNot in this instance they aren't. America didn't annex Iraq or Afghanistan. They went in with majority support from the locals. Russia is trying to recreate the Soviet Union. QuoteNice question dodgingIt's a loaded question. So I'll say again: America did not annex Iraq or Afghanistan. There's no hypocrisy. And even if it was hypocritical, you're changing the subject. The point is he knew fucking with Ukraine would bring heavy sanctions on Russia. He did it anyway. That's a weak, hotheaded, and ignorant leader.Yep, Putin is going to come across this site, read your comment, and send Ukraine an apology letter. You can say what countries can and can't do, but they're going to do what they want regardless of what you thinkNo, he's gonna lose all his support because of the sanctions out on Russia. QuoteLOL yes they areYou realize that would mean World War 3? They don't need to do that to get their money back. The fact that America owes China is far more valuable than going to war. QuoteYou can make up all the excuses you want, but you still have not answered my questionIt's a logical fallacy. Either way, I answered. America did not annex Iraq and Afghanistan. There's no hypocrisy. Again, stop avoiding the issue. Putin is a weak and short sighted leader. All his posturing and bravado isn't going to last long, and it certainly isn't going to bring Russia out of this economic pit.
Quote from: challengerX on December 22, 2014, 03:14:25 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 03:08:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 22, 2014, 02:48:57 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 02:44:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 22, 2014, 02:43:26 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 02:11:09 PMQuote from: Fagcicle on December 22, 2014, 12:06:16 AMRussians continue to prove their lack of intelligence.How so?You can't deny him being a strong leader, something many people wantStrong leaders don't run their country into the ground. Putin is a pathetically weak leader, no amount of posturing will ever change that.How is he running the country into the ground?By fucking with Ukraine knowing damn well sanctions would be put into place. He doesn't care, because his personal wealth isn't really affected. QuoteIt's the hypocritical West that's doing it;Calm down there Babushka. QuoteAmerica can invade a country but not Russia?https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/loaded-questionExcept Ukraine owed Russia a lot of money. Russia had all the rights to "fuck with" UkraineNope. No country has the right to declare war on another because they want to relive the glory days of fascism. QuoteOne day China is going to coming knocking on America's door for it's money they have given usLOL No they aren't. QuoteJust pointing out how the West are masters at hypocrisyNot in this instance they aren't. America didn't annex Iraq or Afghanistan. They went in with majority support from the locals. Russia is trying to recreate the Soviet Union. QuoteNice question dodgingIt's a loaded question. So I'll say again: America did not annex Iraq or Afghanistan. There's no hypocrisy. And even if it was hypocritical, you're changing the subject. The point is he knew fucking with Ukraine would bring heavy sanctions on Russia. He did it anyway. That's a weak, hotheaded, and ignorant leader.Yep, Putin is going to come across this site, read your comment, and send Ukraine an apology letter. You can say what countries can and can't do, but they're going to do what they want regardless of what you think
Quote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 03:08:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 22, 2014, 02:48:57 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 02:44:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 22, 2014, 02:43:26 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 02:11:09 PMQuote from: Fagcicle on December 22, 2014, 12:06:16 AMRussians continue to prove their lack of intelligence.How so?You can't deny him being a strong leader, something many people wantStrong leaders don't run their country into the ground. Putin is a pathetically weak leader, no amount of posturing will ever change that.How is he running the country into the ground?By fucking with Ukraine knowing damn well sanctions would be put into place. He doesn't care, because his personal wealth isn't really affected. QuoteIt's the hypocritical West that's doing it;Calm down there Babushka. QuoteAmerica can invade a country but not Russia?https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/loaded-questionExcept Ukraine owed Russia a lot of money. Russia had all the rights to "fuck with" UkraineNope. No country has the right to declare war on another because they want to relive the glory days of fascism. QuoteOne day China is going to coming knocking on America's door for it's money they have given usLOL No they aren't. QuoteJust pointing out how the West are masters at hypocrisyNot in this instance they aren't. America didn't annex Iraq or Afghanistan. They went in with majority support from the locals. Russia is trying to recreate the Soviet Union. QuoteNice question dodgingIt's a loaded question. So I'll say again: America did not annex Iraq or Afghanistan. There's no hypocrisy. And even if it was hypocritical, you're changing the subject. The point is he knew fucking with Ukraine would bring heavy sanctions on Russia. He did it anyway. That's a weak, hotheaded, and ignorant leader.
Quote from: challengerX on December 22, 2014, 02:48:57 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 02:44:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 22, 2014, 02:43:26 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 02:11:09 PMQuote from: Fagcicle on December 22, 2014, 12:06:16 AMRussians continue to prove their lack of intelligence.How so?You can't deny him being a strong leader, something many people wantStrong leaders don't run their country into the ground. Putin is a pathetically weak leader, no amount of posturing will ever change that.How is he running the country into the ground?By fucking with Ukraine knowing damn well sanctions would be put into place. He doesn't care, because his personal wealth isn't really affected. QuoteIt's the hypocritical West that's doing it;Calm down there Babushka. QuoteAmerica can invade a country but not Russia?https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/loaded-questionExcept Ukraine owed Russia a lot of money. Russia had all the rights to "fuck with" Ukraine
Quote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 02:44:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 22, 2014, 02:43:26 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 02:11:09 PMQuote from: Fagcicle on December 22, 2014, 12:06:16 AMRussians continue to prove their lack of intelligence.How so?You can't deny him being a strong leader, something many people wantStrong leaders don't run their country into the ground. Putin is a pathetically weak leader, no amount of posturing will ever change that.How is he running the country into the ground?By fucking with Ukraine knowing damn well sanctions would be put into place. He doesn't care, because his personal wealth isn't really affected. QuoteIt's the hypocritical West that's doing it;Calm down there Babushka. QuoteAmerica can invade a country but not Russia?https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/loaded-question
Quote from: challengerX on December 22, 2014, 02:43:26 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 02:11:09 PMQuote from: Fagcicle on December 22, 2014, 12:06:16 AMRussians continue to prove their lack of intelligence.How so?You can't deny him being a strong leader, something many people wantStrong leaders don't run their country into the ground. Putin is a pathetically weak leader, no amount of posturing will ever change that.How is he running the country into the ground?
It's the hypocritical West that's doing it;
America can invade a country but not Russia?
One day China is going to coming knocking on America's door for it's money they have given us
Just pointing out how the West are masters at hypocrisy
Nice question dodging
LOL yes they are
You can make up all the excuses you want, but you still have not answered my question
Quote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 03:21:43 PMQuote from: CAESAR JIHADIVS on December 22, 2014, 03:18:15 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 03:12:02 PMQuote from: CAESAR JIHADIVS on December 22, 2014, 02:58:43 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 02:11:09 PMQuote from: Fagcicle on December 22, 2014, 12:06:16 AMRussians continue to prove their lack of intelligence.How so?You can't deny him being a strong leader, something many people wantHitler and Mussolini were strong leaders as well, and look at where they got their countries to...And at least Hitler had the excuse of being a massive drug-addict and Mussolini was more motivated by a delusional ideology than personal wealth.Seeing as Hitler managed to bring Germany out of one of the worst economic disasters in history, I don't see where you're getting at Learn your history, you fucking retard.Reported for rule breaking. Enjoy your banI don't think they'll care since what I said was in response to you defending a drug-addicted tyrant who nearly destroyed the country I've been absolutely dying to live in.
Then why is his support over 80% currently? Read the OP before posting. kthnxs
Quote from: CAESAR JIHADIVS on December 22, 2014, 03:24:54 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 03:21:43 PMQuote from: CAESAR JIHADIVS on December 22, 2014, 03:18:15 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 03:12:02 PMQuote from: CAESAR JIHADIVS on December 22, 2014, 02:58:43 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 02:11:09 PMQuote from: Fagcicle on December 22, 2014, 12:06:16 AMRussians continue to prove their lack of intelligence.How so?You can't deny him being a strong leader, something many people wantHitler and Mussolini were strong leaders as well, and look at where they got their countries to...And at least Hitler had the excuse of being a massive drug-addict and Mussolini was more motivated by a delusional ideology than personal wealth.Seeing as Hitler managed to bring Germany out of one of the worst economic disasters in history, I don't see where you're getting at Learn your history, you fucking retard.Reported for rule breaking. Enjoy your banI don't think they'll care since what I said was in response to you defending a drug-addicted tyrant who nearly destroyed the country I've been absolutely dying to live in.I was defending Hitler? Oh boy, you get butt hurt that I proved you wrong and attempt to respond with false responses and petty insults. Go back to Meme Land; nobody even wants you on this site
Except Ukraine owed Russia a lot of money. Russia had all the rights to "fuck with" Ukraine One day China is going to coming knocking on America's door for it's money they have given us
Seeing as Hitler managed to bring Germany out of one of the worst economic disasters in history,
Quote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 03:08:48 PMExcept Ukraine owed Russia a lot of money. Russia had all the rights to "fuck with" Ukraine One day China is going to coming knocking on America's door for it's money they have given usAre you fucking serious?
If Putin is so weak, then why is he defying what the West wants? That's not being weak, that's being string and standing up for yourself
Quote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 03:26:38 PMThen why is his support over 80% currently? Read the OP before posting. kthnxsWe've explained why already, but clearly it didn't stay in your head for long.
Quote from: CAESAR JIHADIVS on December 22, 2014, 03:28:52 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 03:26:38 PMThen why is his support over 80% currently? Read the OP before posting. kthnxsWe've explained why already, but clearly it didn't stay in your head for long.No you didn't
It's cause Putin is ramping up his propaganda machine massively and using far more nationalist/populist rhetoric. But this is artificial public support that'll just evaporate once the Russians are really in for their money (or out for their money) economically in two years. Putin's just a worthless, generic leech who's transforming Russia into a Fascist rogue state.
Unfortunately it'll be another jackass preaching the same old bullshit and the Russians will eat it up. Maybe not, but I doubt it.
Quote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 04:01:14 PMQuote from: CAESAR JIHADIVS on December 22, 2014, 03:28:52 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 03:26:38 PMThen why is his support over 80% currently? Read the OP before posting. kthnxsWe've explained why already, but clearly it didn't stay in your head for long.No you didn'tQuoteIt's cause Putin is ramping up his propaganda machine massively and using far more nationalist/populist rhetoric. But this is artificial public support that'll just evaporate once the Russians are really in for their money (or out for their money) economically in two years. Putin's just a worthless, generic leech who's transforming Russia into a Fascist rogue state.QuoteUnfortunately it'll be another jackass preaching the same old bullshit and the Russians will eat it up. Maybe not, but I doubt it.
Eighty-one percent of Russians approve of the way Putin is handling his job as president, which is a significant increase from his 58 percent approval rating shortly after his most recent inauguration in May 2012 [1].
Quote from: CAESAR JIHADIVS on December 22, 2014, 04:02:52 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 04:01:14 PMQuote from: CAESAR JIHADIVS on December 22, 2014, 03:28:52 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 03:26:38 PMThen why is his support over 80% currently? Read the OP before posting. kthnxsWe've explained why already, but clearly it didn't stay in your head for long.No you didn'tQuoteIt's cause Putin is ramping up his propaganda machine massively and using far more nationalist/populist rhetoric. But this is artificial public support that'll just evaporate once the Russians are really in for their money (or out for their money) economically in two years. Putin's just a worthless, generic leech who's transforming Russia into a Fascist rogue state.QuoteUnfortunately it'll be another jackass preaching the same old bullshit and the Russians will eat it up. Maybe not, but I doubt it. QuoteEighty-one percent of Russians approve of the way Putin is handling his job as president, which is a significant increase from his 58 percent approval rating shortly after his most recent inauguration in May 2012 [1].
Quote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 04:04:01 PMQuote from: CAESAR JIHADIVS on December 22, 2014, 04:02:52 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 04:01:14 PMQuote from: CAESAR JIHADIVS on December 22, 2014, 03:28:52 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 03:26:38 PMThen why is his support over 80% currently? Read the OP before posting. kthnxsWe've explained why already, but clearly it didn't stay in your head for long.No you didn'tQuoteIt's cause Putin is ramping up his propaganda machine massively and using far more nationalist/populist rhetoric. But this is artificial public support that'll just evaporate once the Russians are really in for their money (or out for their money) economically in two years. Putin's just a worthless, generic leech who's transforming Russia into a Fascist rogue state.QuoteUnfortunately it'll be another jackass preaching the same old bullshit and the Russians will eat it up. Maybe not, but I doubt it. QuoteEighty-one percent of Russians approve of the way Putin is handling his job as president, which is a significant increase from his 58 percent approval rating shortly after his most recent inauguration in May 2012 [1]. I guess since my explanation wasn't good or clear enough for you, I'll have to explain it in another way...In police/repressive states, the leaders always have more popularity because generally the only perspective you're getting is that which is coming from the Government's propaganda arm. Xi Jinping (China) has an approval of around 90%, while leaders like Obama and Cameron have approval ratings hovering around 50%. Putin's popularity is artificial, and once the nationalistic fervor going on in Russia subsides, his approval will tumble like his economy. This is a big reason on why Fascism isn't sustainable. You need to constantly feed it, or else people will realize how screwed over they've been and revolt. It's what happened in the USSR in 1991.
Quote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 03:26:38 PMIf Putin is so weak, then why is he defying what the West wants? That's not being weak, that's being string and standing up for yourselfBravado and charisma doesn't mean you're a strong leader. A shepherd who can lead his flock into a volcano still isn't a very good shepherd.
Quote from: CAESAR JIHADIVS on December 22, 2014, 04:09:13 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 04:04:01 PMQuote from: CAESAR JIHADIVS on December 22, 2014, 04:02:52 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 04:01:14 PMQuote from: CAESAR JIHADIVS on December 22, 2014, 03:28:52 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 03:26:38 PMThen why is his support over 80% currently? Read the OP before posting. kthnxsWe've explained why already, but clearly it didn't stay in your head for long.No you didn'tQuoteIt's cause Putin is ramping up his propaganda machine massively and using far more nationalist/populist rhetoric. But this is artificial public support that'll just evaporate once the Russians are really in for their money (or out for their money) economically in two years. Putin's just a worthless, generic leech who's transforming Russia into a Fascist rogue state.QuoteUnfortunately it'll be another jackass preaching the same old bullshit and the Russians will eat it up. Maybe not, but I doubt it. QuoteEighty-one percent of Russians approve of the way Putin is handling his job as president, which is a significant increase from his 58 percent approval rating shortly after his most recent inauguration in May 2012 [1]. I guess since my explanation wasn't good or clear enough for you, I'll have to explain it in another way...In police/repressive states, the leaders always have more popularity because generally the only perspective you're getting is that which is coming from the Government's propaganda arm. Xi Jinping (China) has an approval of around 90%, while leaders like Obama and Cameron have approval ratings hovering around 50%. Putin's popularity is artificial, and once the nationalistic fervor going on in Russia subsides, his approval will tumble like his economy. This is a big reason on why Fascism isn't sustainable. You need to constantly feed it, or else people will realize how screwed over they've been and revolt. It's what happened in the USSR in 1991.>comparing Russia to ChinatoplelUnlike China, Russians have access to the internet and with that, social media and international news. I suggest putting that Western propaganda down
Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on December 22, 2014, 03:36:01 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 03:08:48 PMExcept Ukraine owed Russia a lot of money. Russia had all the rights to "fuck with" Ukraine One day China is going to coming knocking on America's door for it's money they have given usAre you fucking serious?It's the truth
Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on December 22, 2014, 03:42:35 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 03:26:38 PMIf Putin is so weak, then why is he defying what the West wants? That's not being weak, that's being string and standing up for yourselfBravado and charisma doesn't mean you're a strong leader. A shepherd who can lead his flock into a volcano still isn't a very good shepherd.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_PutinDuring Putin's first premiership and presidency (1999–2008), real incomes increased by a factor of 2.5, real wages more than tripled; unemployment and poverty more than halved, and the Russians' self-assessed life satisfaction rose significantly.[9] Putin's first presidency was marked by high economic growth: the Russian economy grew for eight straight years, seeing GDP increase by 72% in PPP (as for nominal GDP, 600%).[9][10][11][12][13] As Russia's president, Putin and the Federal Assembly passed into law a flat income tax of 13%, a reduced profits tax, and new land and legal codes.[14][15] As Prime Minister, Putin oversaw large-scale military and police reform. His energy policy has affirmed Russia's position as an energy superpower.[citation needed] Putin supported high-tech industries such as the nuclear and defence industries. A rise in foreign investment[16] contributed to a boom in such sectors as the automotive industry. However, capital investment recently dropped 2.5% because of the crisis in Ukraine according to forecasts by economists from the IMF.[17] Putin has cultivated an image of a strongman and a popular cultural icon in Russia.
Quote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 04:13:16 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on December 22, 2014, 03:42:35 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 03:26:38 PMIf Putin is so weak, then why is he defying what the West wants? That's not being weak, that's being string and standing up for yourselfBravado and charisma doesn't mean you're a strong leader. A shepherd who can lead his flock into a volcano still isn't a very good shepherd.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_PutinDuring Putin's first premiership and presidency (1999–2008), real incomes increased by a factor of 2.5, real wages more than tripled; unemployment and poverty more than halved, and the Russians' self-assessed life satisfaction rose significantly.[9] Putin's first presidency was marked by high economic growth: the Russian economy grew for eight straight years, seeing GDP increase by 72% in PPP (as for nominal GDP, 600%).[9][10][11][12][13] As Russia's president, Putin and the Federal Assembly passed into law a flat income tax of 13%, a reduced profits tax, and new land and legal codes.[14][15] As Prime Minister, Putin oversaw large-scale military and police reform. His energy policy has affirmed Russia's position as an energy superpower.[citation needed] Putin supported high-tech industries such as the nuclear and defence industries. A rise in foreign investment[16] contributed to a boom in such sectors as the automotive industry. However, capital investment recently dropped 2.5% because of the crisis in Ukraine according to forecasts by economists from the IMF.[17] Putin has cultivated an image of a strongman and a popular cultural icon in Russia.Because of rising oil prices. That was it.Now that the oil prices are going down, so is his economy. The same thing happened back in Soviet days where their economic growth was based on oil prices.
Quote from: CAESAR JIHADIVS on December 22, 2014, 04:18:56 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 04:13:16 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on December 22, 2014, 03:42:35 PMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 22, 2014, 03:26:38 PMIf Putin is so weak, then why is he defying what the West wants? That's not being weak, that's being string and standing up for yourselfBravado and charisma doesn't mean you're a strong leader. A shepherd who can lead his flock into a volcano still isn't a very good shepherd.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_PutinDuring Putin's first premiership and presidency (1999–2008), real incomes increased by a factor of 2.5, real wages more than tripled; unemployment and poverty more than halved, and the Russians' self-assessed life satisfaction rose significantly.[9] Putin's first presidency was marked by high economic growth: the Russian economy grew for eight straight years, seeing GDP increase by 72% in PPP (as for nominal GDP, 600%).[9][10][11][12][13] As Russia's president, Putin and the Federal Assembly passed into law a flat income tax of 13%, a reduced profits tax, and new land and legal codes.[14][15] As Prime Minister, Putin oversaw large-scale military and police reform. His energy policy has affirmed Russia's position as an energy superpower.[citation needed] Putin supported high-tech industries such as the nuclear and defence industries. A rise in foreign investment[16] contributed to a boom in such sectors as the automotive industry. However, capital investment recently dropped 2.5% because of the crisis in Ukraine according to forecasts by economists from the IMF.[17] Putin has cultivated an image of a strongman and a popular cultural icon in Russia.Because of rising oil prices. That was it.Now that the oil prices are going down, so is his economy. The same thing happened back in Soviet days where their economic growth was based on oil prices.And I'm not denying the Russian economy is going to end up deeper in the shitter. What this whole thread is about, that despite fall of Russia's economy, the people still see Putin in a positive manner. But a decrease in oil prices is good for the world economy as it saves people more money, which they can use to spend on other things that Russia exports
who's transforming Russia into a Fascist rogue state.
Putin support stronger than ever, despite economic woes
