Published transcripts of Bernie's Wall Street speeches

Mad Max · February 22, 2016, 10:07:04 PM

http://www.berniestranscripts.com/

I lol'd.

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · February 22, 2016, 10:13:05 PM

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Mad Max · February 22, 2016, 10:15:11 PM

All of the documents are blank because he hasn't given any paid Wall Street speeches.

Turkey · February 22, 2016, 10:23:19 PM

"Wall Street speeches"

Can't have our candidate getting paid to speak to those big, mean public corporations now, can we?

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · February 22, 2016, 10:23:56 PM

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Mad Max · February 22, 2016, 10:26:52 PM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on February 22, 2016, 10:23:19 PM

"Wall Street speeches"

Can't have our candidate getting paid to speak to those big, mean public corporations now, can we?

It's not about "big mean corporations," it's about transparency. The fact she hasn't released anything seems to indicate she has something to hide.

Alternative Facts · February 22, 2016, 10:29:38 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on February 22, 2016, 10:26:52 PM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on February 22, 2016, 10:23:19 PM
"Wall Street speeches"

Can't have our candidate getting paid to speak to those big, mean public corporations now, can we?
It's not about "big mean corporations," it's about transparency. The fact she hasn't released anything seems to indicate she has something to hide.

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · February 22, 2016, 10:29:50 PM

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Mad Max · February 22, 2016, 10:32:41 PM

Quote from: Icy on February 22, 2016, 10:29:38 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on February 22, 2016, 10:26:52 PM
Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on February 22, 2016, 10:23:19 PM
"Wall Street speeches"

Can't have our candidate getting paid to speak to those big, mean public corporations now, can we?
It's not about "big mean corporations," it's about transparency. The fact she hasn't released anything seems to indicate she has something to hide.

If she's trying to win over people who are skeptical of her, this isn't how you do it.

Alternative Facts · February 22, 2016, 10:34:05 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on February 22, 2016, 10:32:41 PM

Quote from: Icy on February 22, 2016, 10:29:38 PM
Quote from: Mad Max on February 22, 2016, 10:26:52 PM
Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on February 22, 2016, 10:23:19 PM
"Wall Street speeches"

Can't have our candidate getting paid to speak to those big, mean public corporations now, can we?
It's not about "big mean corporations," it's about transparency. The fact she hasn't released anything seems to indicate she has something to hide.

If she's trying to win over people who are skeptical of her, this isn't how you do it.

And if Bernie is trying to win a Presidential election, continually pandering to a base of unreliable voters isn't how to do it.

Is there a point of this thread aside from showing some cool Bernie insider joke?

Mad Max · February 22, 2016, 10:36:09 PM

Quote from: Icy on February 22, 2016, 10:34:05 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on February 22, 2016, 10:32:41 PM
Quote from: Icy on February 22, 2016, 10:29:38 PM
Quote from: Mad Max on February 22, 2016, 10:26:52 PM
Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on February 22, 2016, 10:23:19 PM
"Wall Street speeches"

Can't have our candidate getting paid to speak to those big, mean public corporations now, can we?
It's not about "big mean corporations," it's about transparency. The fact she hasn't released anything seems to indicate she has something to hide.

If she's trying to win over people who are skeptical of her, this isn't how you do it.

And if Bernie is trying to win a Presidential election, continually pandering to a base of unreliable voters isn't how to do it.

Unreliable? Perhaps. But he's the only candidate who has indicated any desire to fix the problems that effect young people more than the older folks. I'd be genuinely surprised if you didn't see a bigger 18-34 turnout in 2016 than in 2008.

Mad Max · February 22, 2016, 10:41:40 PM

Quote from: Icy on February 22, 2016, 10:34:05 PM

Is there a point of this thread aside from showing some cool Bernie insider joke?

Well I assumed politics wasn't Flood-friendly, sooo..

Alternative Facts · February 22, 2016, 10:45:28 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on February 22, 2016, 10:36:09 PM

Unreliable? Perhaps.

There is no "perhaps" about it - Voters 18-29 are the least likely to come out and vote by an average of 10-12%. Not to mention the fact that this upcoming month, when many of the states where Sanders will need young college voters assistance, they will be on break and (likely) relaxing, not voting.

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But he's the only candidate who has indicated any desire to fix the problems that effect young people more than the older folks.

Yes. He is the only one making suggestions to fix issues like student debt, healthcare, and other issues that millennials care for. My apologies for overlooking this absolutely correct statement.

You know this is bullshit, or I hope that you do - but Sanders is far from the only one who has proposed changes to these institutions. He's just the only one throwing out buzzwords like "Free tuition!" that 18 year olds who don't have a grasp as to the ramifications of such policies grab onto with a frenzy and scream "Bernie cares for us!"

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I'd be genuinely surprised if you didn't see a bigger 18-34 turnout in 2016 than in 2008.

...Based on any specific polling/studies?

DAS B00T x2 · February 22, 2016, 10:46:13 PM

Yo man, the PDF had a virus in it that just tried to jack my personal info and probably steal my money.

Mad Max · February 22, 2016, 10:47:47 PM

Quote from: Icy on February 22, 2016, 10:45:28 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on February 22, 2016, 10:36:09 PM
Unreliable? Perhaps.

There is no "perhaps" about it - Voters 18-29 are the least likely to come out and vote by an average of 10-12%. Not to mention the fact that this upcoming month, when many of the states where Sanders will need young college voters assistance, they will be on break and (likely) relaxing, not voting.

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But he's the only candidate who has indicated any desire to fix the problems that effect young people more than the older folks.

Yes. He is the only one making suggestions to fix issues like student debt, healthcare, and other issues that millennials care for. My apologies for overlooking this absolutely correct statement.

You know this is bullshit, or I hope that you do - but Sanders is far from the only one who has proposed changes to these institutions. He's just the only one throwing out buzzwords like "Free tuition!" that 18 year olds who don't have a grasp as to the ramifications of such policies grab onto with a frenzy and scream "Bernie cares for us!"

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I'd be genuinely surprised if you didn't see a bigger 18-34 turnout in 2016 than in 2008.

...Based on any specific polling/studies?

What are Hillary's plans to reign in college costs and student loan debt?

I expected a little better argument from you other than "Sanders supporters are just kids who don't understand" which we see echoed on the right.

But it IS refreshing to see a politician give a shit about the younger voters. That is exciting!

Alternative Facts · February 22, 2016, 10:49:31 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on February 22, 2016, 10:47:47 PM

What are Hillary's plans to reign in college costs and student loan debt?

Time Story from August

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other than "Sanders supporters are just kids who don't understand"

Because it's true - they're voracious and passionate, sure. But they fail to have a basic level of knowledge of the American election and governmental system.

More Than Mortal · February 22, 2016, 10:50:44 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on February 22, 2016, 10:36:09 PM

But he's the only candidate who has indicated any desire to fix the problems that effect young people more than the older folks.

You mean like how fucking terrible it is that college students have to pay for an education which primarily benefits them, as opposed to having it being paid off the back of the taxpayer? Yeah man, issues specific to younger people are so important.

Who gives a fuck what young people want right now? We're living in a world where the economy has stalled and will continue to grow slowly, public debt is at unprecedented levels and geopolitical tensions are among the highest they've been since the collapse of the Soviet Union. And you want to elect a guy whose economic policy is based on magic, and whose grasp of foreign policy is limited to "I didn't vote for the Iraq War", because muh younglins.

What the fuck is wrong with people's priorities?

Mad Max · February 22, 2016, 10:52:20 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on February 22, 2016, 10:50:44 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on February 22, 2016, 10:36:09 PM
But he's the only candidate who has indicated any desire to fix the problems that effect young people more than the older folks.
You mean like how fucking terrible it is that college students have to pay for an education which primarily benefits them, as opposed to having it being paid off the back of the taxpayer? Yeah man, issues specific to younger people are so important.

Who gives a fuck what young people want right now? We're living in a world where the economy has stalled and will continue to grow slowly, public debt is at unprecedented levels and geopolitical tensions are among the highest they've been since the collapse of the Soviet Union. And you want to elect a guy whose economic policy is based on magic, and whose grasp of foreign policy is limited to "I didn't vote for the Iraq War" because muh youngins.

What the fuck is wrong with people's priorities?

Who the fuck do you think all the taxpayers and business owners will be in 15-20 years? Oh right, all the fucking 18-34 year olds right now. That's why it matters what they want. If you invest in them, you'll see it on the other side.

But no, lets keep doing the same old shit that benefits the rich people. That's been working great for us.

Mad Max · February 22, 2016, 10:53:37 PM

Quote from: Icy on February 22, 2016, 10:49:31 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on February 22, 2016, 10:47:47 PM
What are Hillary's plans to reign in college costs and student loan debt?

Time Story from August

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other than "Sanders supporters are just kids who don't understand"

Because it's true - they're voracious and passionate, sure. But they fail to have a basic level of knowledge of the American election and governmental system.

I don't think we don't understand, we just have a fundamentally different view on how it should function. No other candidate offers any significant change that aligns with what we want.

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · February 22, 2016, 10:54:46 PM

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More Than Mortal · February 22, 2016, 10:56:35 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on February 22, 2016, 10:52:20 PM

If you invest in them, you'll see it on the other side.

Great, you've just made an argument for having higher education. You haven't made one for financing it a certain way, though. The investment is fucking happening either way; the U.S. has an 89pc enrolment rate already. You've given me absolutely no reason to think (and the evidence doesn't support that) it's a good idea to finance tertiary education through general taxation. . . Especially not since we're living in a world, as I said, where deficit and debt reduction ought to take front and centre stage in fiscal policy.

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But no, lets keep doing the same old shit that benefits the rich people. That's been working great for us.

Yeah man, we should have a system where, like, the richest 2.5pc of taxpayers pay nearly half of all income taxes. . .

Oh, wait. . .

Alternative Facts · February 22, 2016, 10:58:30 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on February 22, 2016, 10:53:37 PM

I don't think we don't understand, we just have a fundamentally different view on how it should function.

Huh. Where have I seen that line given before...

Also, way to not even address Clinton's college plan. I spent, like, 1 whole minute finding that for you.

Mad Max · February 22, 2016, 10:59:15 PM

Quote from: Icy on February 22, 2016, 10:58:30 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on February 22, 2016, 10:53:37 PM
I don't think we don't understand, we just have a fundamentally different view on how it should function.

Huh. Where have I seen that line given before...

I don't know - where?

Mad Max · February 22, 2016, 11:02:00 PM

Quote from: Icy on February 22, 2016, 10:58:30 PM

Also, way to not even address Clinton's college plan. I spent, like, 1 whole minute finding that for you.

Because reading.

Is it bad? No. Would it help? Yes. But it seems to treat more symptoms than it does the disease, focusing more on things like interest rates and refinancing options than it does the fact that tertiary education is fucking absurdly expensive.

In-state college assistance? That's great in some respects, but if you're stuck in a shit state that doesn't have very good schools...well...good luck. The difference between in-state and out-of-state tuition is obscene.

More Than Mortal · February 22, 2016, 11:02:55 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on February 22, 2016, 10:53:37 PM

No other candidate offers any significant change that aligns with what we want.

What happens when what you want is stupid?

Mad Max · February 22, 2016, 11:03:40 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on February 22, 2016, 10:56:35 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on February 22, 2016, 10:52:20 PM
If you invest in them, you'll see it on the other side.
Great, you've just made an argument for having higher education. You haven't made one for financing it a certain way, though.

My issue is that I don't think having kids start off their adult life $30,000 in the hole [on the conservative end] is setting them up for much success.

Mad Max · February 22, 2016, 11:03:56 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on February 22, 2016, 11:02:55 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on February 22, 2016, 10:53:37 PM
No other candidate offers any significant change that aligns with what we want.
What happens when what you want is stupid?

Then we disagree. It happens.

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · February 22, 2016, 11:05:30 PM

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More Than Mortal · February 22, 2016, 11:05:37 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on February 22, 2016, 11:03:40 PM

My issue is that I don't think having kids start off their adult life $30,000 in the hole [on the conservative end] is setting them up for much success.

Shall we just ignore than the entire rise in tuition over the last few decades is wholly explicable by government reforms to the HE system? Or how about the fact that the debt burden leads to graduates seeking out higher-paying work? Or the fact that there are alternative systems of loan-based financing that aren't as fucked up as America's and don't rely on some Neanderthal notion of HURR DURR JUST FUND IT WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY.

More Than Mortal · February 22, 2016, 11:06:52 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on February 22, 2016, 11:03:56 PM

Then we disagree. It happens.

No, you misunderstand me. I mean what happens when the policies you want, with me completely out of the picture, are objectively stupid?