Psychedelics

Dan · May 11, 2015, 10:06:32 PM

Just an interesting video I'd like to share with you all.

A few very significant points that are made in this video:
1. The reason why psychedelics are illegal in the first place.
2. Why the psychedelic experience is so important and can help to create a wider view of reality.
3. Why an altered state of consciousness by using psychedelics, in the right setting is a good thing.

The whole video is pretty good, but this one excerpt by Graham Hancock really speaks volumes.

I think one of the most interesting philosophical implications made by psychonauts like Terence McKenna, is that hallucinogens like DMT, Mushrooms, and Peyote don't make you hallucinate at all--what you experience is actually real. It's the idea that psychedelics open a doorway to perceive other dimensions of reality which is normally filtered out by the sober mind--this is known as perception through the Third Eye. This comes from the fact that what is experienced in a DMT trip seems to come from literally nowhere and it goes outside of anything anyone has ever seen or experienced before, so the question is "where do these hallucinations come from?" The theory is that they're coming from somewhere else, somewhere outside of one's own mind.

aREALgod · May 11, 2015, 10:12:29 PM

Junkie piece of shit, I hope you get shot

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Dan · May 11, 2015, 10:29:56 PM

Quote from: Arm The Mob on May 11, 2015, 10:25:48 PM

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key to understanding reality.

I poorly worded that. I know it sounds like I'm claiming that psychedelics will show you the meaning of life but that's not what I meant.
I should've said "Key to a better understanding of reality" or something to that effect.

Forgewolf · May 12, 2015, 12:09:26 AM

It is true that experiencing at least one trip can have a significant change in your view of life and reality. If you chose the right substance, the right environment, with the right people, its usually always a positive one.

Dan · May 12, 2015, 05:53:48 PM

Quote from: Forgewolf on May 12, 2015, 12:09:26 AM

It is true that experiencing at least one trip can have a significant change in your view of life and reality. If you chose the right substance, the right environment, with the right people, its usually always a positive one.

It's such a shame that it's so taboo to talk about, no one's really having discussions on psychedelics unless you look hard enough.

Verbatim · May 12, 2015, 05:57:51 PM

Quote from: Daniel on May 11, 2015, 10:29:56 PM

I should've said "Key to a better understanding of reality" or something to that effect.

Oh, okay, that's not as stupid.

It's even DUMBER. Wow, guy.

Ushan · May 12, 2015, 06:03:35 PM

Eh, I'd be up for temporarily altering my perception of reality.

Dan · May 12, 2015, 06:04:34 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on May 12, 2015, 05:57:51 PM

Quote from: Daniel on May 11, 2015, 10:29:56 PM
I should've said "Key to a better understanding of reality" or something to that effect.
Oh, okay, that's not as stupid.

It's even DUMBER. Wow, guy.

I'm merely presenting what many others have reported. It's not really up to me or you to say that's dumb, because I'm sure that neither of us has actually experimented with hallucinogens.

maverick · May 12, 2015, 06:08:18 PM

I have some friends that have attested to this but I've never tripped before so I'm not going to give my opinion.

aREALgod · May 12, 2015, 06:21:00 PM

Quote from: Daniel on May 12, 2015, 06:04:34 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on May 12, 2015, 05:57:51 PM
Quote from: Daniel on May 11, 2015, 10:29:56 PM
I should've said "Key to a better understanding of reality" or something to that effect.
Oh, okay, that's not as stupid.

It's even DUMBER. Wow, guy.
I'm merely presenting what many others have reported. It's not really up to me or you to say that's dumb, because I'm sure that neither of us has actually experimented with hallucinogens.

Well Verbatim is kind of close minded and naive, so you'll need to forgive his autism at times.

Though you've never actually taken any hallucinogens?

Dan · May 12, 2015, 06:27:10 PM

Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 12, 2015, 06:21:00 PM

Though you've never actually taken any hallucinogens?

Never have. I'm just interested in the topic.

Super Irish · May 12, 2015, 07:27:57 PM

I've only anecdotal evidence to support this. Housemate took LSD, went off to the park and did yoga and is now doing some charity work over the summer. Normally he's not the sort of person to just go off and do that, so more power to him.

It's an interesting topic to discuss with my Dad what with his "experience", and he's a pretty reasonable open minded guy.

Dopameme · May 12, 2015, 09:20:39 PM

If someone told me a few years ago that a psychedelic drug would change my life in a positive way, I would've laughed in their face. I used to be the type of person who bought into the government's "all drugs are evil" propaganda, but I guess a strong group of friends and a curiosity in seeing the world through a different pair of eyes allowed me to completely change my perspective. What a lot of people fail to realize is that these substances aren't "party drugs" in any way, shape, or form, and should not be put into the same category as alcohol or cannabis. Ultimately, these substances should be treated with respect by conducting further research into its positive uses and support education regarding safe and responsible use, rather than banning what other cultures have built their way of life around for centuries.

I can go more in-depth on my psyilocybin experience if requested.

Forgewolf · May 12, 2015, 09:31:05 PM

Quote from: SuperIrish on May 12, 2015, 07:27:57 PM

I've only anecdotal evidence to support this. Housemate took LSD, went off to the park and did yoga and is now doing some charity work over the summer. Normally he's not the sort of person to just go off and do that, so more power to him.

That right there.. is a perfect example of a positive change!

Jive Turkey · May 15, 2015, 01:50:34 AM

Quote from: Tryptameme on May 12, 2015, 09:20:39 PM

I can go more in-depth on my psyilocybin experience if requested.

please do

Pendulate · May 15, 2015, 03:23:43 AM

Sam Harris has some very sober, sensible views on psychedelics.
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/drugs-and-the-meaning-of-life

aREALgod · May 16, 2015, 12:01:54 AM

Quote from: Daniel on May 12, 2015, 06:27:10 PM

Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 12, 2015, 06:21:00 PM

Though you've never actually taken any hallucinogens?
Never have. I'm just interested in the topic.

Well, I've done shrooms multiple times, so I have some incite to that

Azumarill · May 16, 2015, 12:08:17 AM

Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 11, 2015, 10:12:29 PM

Junkie piece of shit, I hope you get shot

This is Serious, not the Flood.

I hope you're ready to back this up kid.

aREALgod · May 16, 2015, 12:10:24 AM

Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 12:08:17 AM

Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 11, 2015, 10:12:29 PM
Junkie piece of shit, I hope you get shot
This is Serious, not the Flood.

I hope you're ready to back this up kid.

Back up what? And who you callin' a kid? I'm an adult.

Azumarill · May 16, 2015, 12:11:06 AM

Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 16, 2015, 12:10:24 AM

Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 12:08:17 AM
Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 11, 2015, 10:12:29 PM
Junkie piece of shit, I hope you get shot
This is Serious, not the Flood.

I hope you're ready to back this up kid.

Back up what? And who you callin' a kid? I'm an adult.

That absolutely retarded statement in your OP. Were you trolling or are you actually that stupid?

aREALgod · May 16, 2015, 12:12:43 AM

Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 12:11:06 AM

Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 16, 2015, 12:10:24 AM
Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 12:08:17 AM
Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 11, 2015, 10:12:29 PM
Junkie piece of shit, I hope you get shot
This is Serious, not the Flood.

I hope you're ready to back this up kid.

Back up what? And who you callin' a kid? I'm an adult.
That absolutely retarded statement in your OP. Were you trolling or are you actually that stupid?

I take it you're a druggie, too?

Azumarill · May 16, 2015, 12:13:21 AM

Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 16, 2015, 12:12:43 AM

Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 12:11:06 AM
Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 16, 2015, 12:10:24 AM
Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 12:08:17 AM
Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 11, 2015, 10:12:29 PM
Junkie piece of shit, I hope you get shot
This is Serious, not the Flood.

I hope you're ready to back this up kid.

Back up what? And who you callin' a kid? I'm an adult.
That absolutely retarded statement in your OP. Were you trolling or are you actually that stupid?

I take it you're a druggie, too?

Answer the question, troglodyte. What's your justification for the OP?

aREALgod · May 16, 2015, 12:14:22 AM

Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 12:13:21 AM

Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 16, 2015, 12:12:43 AM
Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 12:11:06 AM
Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 16, 2015, 12:10:24 AM
Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 12:08:17 AM
Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 11, 2015, 10:12:29 PM
Junkie piece of shit, I hope you get shot
This is Serious, not the Flood.

I hope you're ready to back this up kid.

Back up what? And who you callin' a kid? I'm an adult.
That absolutely retarded statement in your OP. Were you trolling or are you actually that stupid?

I take it you're a druggie, too?
Answer the question, troglodyte. What's your justification for the OP?

Drugs are bad and druggies should be shot. Sounds like justification enough to me.

Now it's your turn. Are you a druggie?

Azumarill · May 16, 2015, 12:16:36 AM

Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 16, 2015, 12:14:22 AM

Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 12:13:21 AM
Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 16, 2015, 12:12:43 AM
Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 12:11:06 AM
Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 16, 2015, 12:10:24 AM
Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 12:08:17 AM
Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 11, 2015, 10:12:29 PM
Junkie piece of shit, I hope you get shot
This is Serious, not the Flood.

I hope you're ready to back this up kid.

Back up what? And who you callin' a kid? I'm an adult.
That absolutely retarded statement in your OP. Were you trolling or are you actually that stupid?

I take it you're a druggie, too?
Answer the question, troglodyte. What's your justification for the OP?

Drugs are bad and druggies should be shot. Sounds like justification enough to me.

Now it's your turn. Are you a druggie?

You don't have objective reasons to back up the validity of either of those statements.

I'm not a "druggie." I smoke pot and I drink, and that's it.

Now, please humor me and provide an actual argument. I would absolutely love to read it.

aREALgod · May 16, 2015, 12:18:52 AM

Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 12:16:36 AM

Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 16, 2015, 12:14:22 AM
Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 12:13:21 AM
Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 16, 2015, 12:12:43 AM
Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 12:11:06 AM
Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 16, 2015, 12:10:24 AM
Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 12:08:17 AM
Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 11, 2015, 10:12:29 PM
Junkie piece of shit, I hope you get shot
This is Serious, not the Flood.

I hope you're ready to back this up kid.

Back up what? And who you callin' a kid? I'm an adult.
That absolutely retarded statement in your OP. Were you trolling or are you actually that stupid?

I take it you're a druggie, too?
Answer the question, troglodyte. What's your justification for the OP?

Drugs are bad and druggies should be shot. Sounds like justification enough to me.

Now it's your turn. Are you a druggie?
You don't have objective reasons to back up the validity of either of those statements.

I'm not a "druggie." I smoke pot and I drink, and that's it.

Now, please humor me and provide an actual argument. I would absolutely love to read it.

Crack, meth, heroine, etc. Those are pretty objectively bad.

Pot is a drug. Alcohol is a drug. The use of them makes you a druggie, there's no argument around it.

Oh lol well thank god you haven't read the rest of the thread, then

Azumarill · May 16, 2015, 12:26:53 AM

Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 16, 2015, 12:18:52 AM

Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 12:16:36 AM
Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 16, 2015, 12:14:22 AM
Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 12:13:21 AM
Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 16, 2015, 12:12:43 AM
Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 12:11:06 AM
Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 16, 2015, 12:10:24 AM
Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 12:08:17 AM
Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 11, 2015, 10:12:29 PM
Junkie piece of shit, I hope you get shot
This is Serious, not the Flood.

I hope you're ready to back this up kid.

Back up what? And who you callin' a kid? I'm an adult.
That absolutely retarded statement in your OP. Were you trolling or are you actually that stupid?

I take it you're a druggie, too?
Answer the question, troglodyte. What's your justification for the OP?

Drugs are bad and druggies should be shot. Sounds like justification enough to me.

Now it's your turn. Are you a druggie?
You don't have objective reasons to back up the validity of either of those statements.

I'm not a "druggie." I smoke pot and I drink, and that's it.

Now, please humor me and provide an actual argument. I would absolutely love to read it.

Crack, meth, heroine, etc. Those are pretty objectively bad.

Pot is a drug. Alcohol is a drug. The use of them makes you a druggie, there's no argument around it.

Oh lol well thank god you haven't read the rest of the thread, then

Varying forms of meth/amphetamines are used very widely in medicinal practices across the world. Heroin and drugs like it also see some degree of medicinal use (see: morphine). Not objectively bad; in fact, they are nuanced and have pros and cons, as with most things.

Crack is wack, I'll give you that.

Sure, that makes me a "druggie." If we're going to play semantics then you're one too, unless you happen to come from a family of Christian Scientists or holistic shamans. Which would explain a lot, come to think of it...

Again, this is the Serious board. Please stop trying to be coy with me. It's rather uncouth.

aREALgod · May 16, 2015, 12:29:09 AM

Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 12:26:53 AM

Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 16, 2015, 12:18:52 AM
Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 12:16:36 AM
Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 16, 2015, 12:14:22 AM
Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 12:13:21 AM
Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 16, 2015, 12:12:43 AM
Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 12:11:06 AM
Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 16, 2015, 12:10:24 AM
Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 12:08:17 AM
Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 11, 2015, 10:12:29 PM
Junkie piece of shit, I hope you get shot
This is Serious, not the Flood.

I hope you're ready to back this up kid.

Back up what? And who you callin' a kid? I'm an adult.
That absolutely retarded statement in your OP. Were you trolling or are you actually that stupid?

I take it you're a druggie, too?
Answer the question, troglodyte. What's your justification for the OP?

Drugs are bad and druggies should be shot. Sounds like justification enough to me.

Now it's your turn. Are you a druggie?
You don't have objective reasons to back up the validity of either of those statements.

I'm not a "druggie." I smoke pot and I drink, and that's it.

Now, please humor me and provide an actual argument. I would absolutely love to read it.

Crack, meth, heroine, etc. Those are pretty objectively bad.

Pot is a drug. Alcohol is a drug. The use of them makes you a druggie, there's no argument around it.

Oh lol well thank god you haven't read the rest of the thread, then
Varying forms of meth/amphetamines are used very widely in medicinal practices across the world. Heroin and drugs like it also see some degree of medicinal use (see: morphine). Not objectively bad; in fact, they are nuanced and have pros and cons, as with most things.

Crack is wack, I'll give you that.

Sure, that makes me a "druggie." If we're going to play semantics then you're one too, unless you happen to come from a family of Christian Scientists or holistic shamans. Which would explain a lot, come to think of it...

Again, this is the Serious board. Please stop trying to be coy with me. It's rather uncouth.

I wasn't talking about medicinal uses at all, I was talking about the junkie degenerate "recreational" use. There's a big difference.

Do explain how I'm a druggie.

Again, sounds like you didn't read the rest of the thread lol

Azumarill · May 16, 2015, 12:34:07 AM

Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 16, 2015, 12:29:09 AM

Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 12:26:53 AM
Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 16, 2015, 12:18:52 AM
Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 12:16:36 AM
Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 16, 2015, 12:14:22 AM
Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 12:13:21 AM
Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 16, 2015, 12:12:43 AM
Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 12:11:06 AM
Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 16, 2015, 12:10:24 AM
Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 12:08:17 AM
Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 11, 2015, 10:12:29 PM
Junkie piece of shit, I hope you get shot
This is Serious, not the Flood.

I hope you're ready to back this up kid.

Back up what? And who you callin' a kid? I'm an adult.
That absolutely retarded statement in your OP. Were you trolling or are you actually that stupid?

I take it you're a druggie, too?
Answer the question, troglodyte. What's your justification for the OP?

Drugs are bad and druggies should be shot. Sounds like justification enough to me.

Now it's your turn. Are you a druggie?
You don't have objective reasons to back up the validity of either of those statements.

I'm not a "druggie." I smoke pot and I drink, and that's it.

Now, please humor me and provide an actual argument. I would absolutely love to read it.

Crack, meth, heroine, etc. Those are pretty objectively bad.

Pot is a drug. Alcohol is a drug. The use of them makes you a druggie, there's no argument around it.

Oh lol well thank god you haven't read the rest of the thread, then
Varying forms of meth/amphetamines are used very widely in medicinal practices across the world. Heroin and drugs like it also see some degree of medicinal use (see: morphine). Not objectively bad; in fact, they are nuanced and have pros and cons, as with most things.

Crack is wack, I'll give you that.

Sure, that makes me a "druggie." If we're going to play semantics then you're one too, unless you happen to come from a family of Christian Scientists or holistic shamans. Which would explain a lot, come to think of it...

Again, this is the Serious board. Please stop trying to be coy with me. It's rather uncouth.
Again, sounds like you didn't read the rest of the thread lol

i have. several times. i dunno what the fuck you're on about.

aREALgod · May 16, 2015, 12:35:48 AM

Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 12:34:07 AM

Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 16, 2015, 12:29:09 AM
Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 12:26:53 AM
Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 16, 2015, 12:18:52 AM
Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 12:16:36 AM
Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 16, 2015, 12:14:22 AM
Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 12:13:21 AM
Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 16, 2015, 12:12:43 AM
Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 12:11:06 AM
Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 16, 2015, 12:10:24 AM
Quote from: Azumarill on May 16, 2015, 12:08:17 AM
Quote from: aTALLmidget on May 11, 2015, 10:12:29 PM
Junkie piece of shit, I hope you get shot
This is Serious, not the Flood.

I hope you're ready to back this up kid.

Back up what? And who you callin' a kid? I'm an adult.
That absolutely retarded statement in your OP. Were you trolling or are you actually that stupid?

I take it you're a druggie, too?
Answer the question, troglodyte. What's your justification for the OP?

Drugs are bad and druggies should be shot. Sounds like justification enough to me.

Now it's your turn. Are you a druggie?
You don't have objective reasons to back up the validity of either of those statements.

I'm not a "druggie." I smoke pot and I drink, and that's it.

Now, please humor me and provide an actual argument. I would absolutely love to read it.

Crack, meth, heroine, etc. Those are pretty objectively bad.

Pot is a drug. Alcohol is a drug. The use of them makes you a druggie, there's no argument around it.

Oh lol well thank god you haven't read the rest of the thread, then
Varying forms of meth/amphetamines are used very widely in medicinal practices across the world. Heroin and drugs like it also see some degree of medicinal use (see: morphine). Not objectively bad; in fact, they are nuanced and have pros and cons, as with most things.

Crack is wack, I'll give you that.

Sure, that makes me a "druggie." If we're going to play semantics then you're one too, unless you happen to come from a family of Christian Scientists or holistic shamans. Which would explain a lot, come to think of it...

Again, this is the Serious board. Please stop trying to be coy with me. It's rather uncouth.
Again, sounds like you didn't read the rest of the thread lol
i have. several times. i dunno what the fuck you're on about.

You REALLY didn't read it then. Or not well at least. Once you see it, you'll know