>2001+18-3+7-7>still caring about this non-issue>still making consent-based arguments while openly permitting other things that violate consent>my penis still looks better than yours>my penis is cleaner than yours>my penis is less likely to get an infection than yours>wormdicks get mad
Honestly, I would have thought you'd be against circumcision since it exposes children to extreme pain just a week after they're born. Also, the health issues are negligible if you live in a first world country. Literally, you'll have no problems if you just wash the area when you shower.
i'm surprised verb is pro tbh
Pain that they won't remember--no more than they'll remember having their skull squeezed through the birth canal, causing them plagiocephaly for five months. If you're willing to forcefully schlep a child into the world in the first place, circumcision is going to be the least of that newborn's problems.
Especially when you consider that it does have its benefits.
I'm apathetic. I'm neither for nor against it. My personal experience with having been circumcised has worked out splendidly for me, so it's difficult for me to think of it as this big horrible thing that I should care about.
uhWell my entire life was pretty fucking cushy and free from suffering, therefor it's difficult for me to see being birthed as a big horrible thing that I should care about.??
The difference is that I've demonstrated in the past, quite thoroughly, exactly why I believe childbirth to be immoral and why life is a massive burden to levy upon a sentient being.
I haven't seen compelling enough reason to believe circumcision is anything at all to be concerned about.
Quote from: Verbatim on April 21, 2016, 12:57:15 PM>2001+18-3+7-7>still caring about this non-issue>still making consent-based arguments while openly permitting other things that violate consent>my penis still looks better than yours>my penis is cleaner than yours>my penis is less likely to get an infection than yours>wormdicks get madyour dick is cleaner because it never goes anywhere lmao
Quote from: eggsalad on April 21, 2016, 02:06:46 PMI thought you were inexorably concerned about the idea of something suffering. Is ability to remember it necessary? If pain is inherently bad why is memory necessary? Does this now exclude simple animals that don't have the ability to reflect on pain cognizantly? If hypothetically I were to harm someone but be able to erase their memory of it without issue is that now not a big deal?This I don't understand either. The biggest takeaway from Verb's posts has always been that all suffering is intrinsically bad and that it should be avoided at pretty much all costs. It's the reason why we should all be vegan and stop reproducing, so that we can prevent theoretical humans of the future from ever suffering and that we can minimise the suffering inflicted to all things alive right now. It's the entire reason why Verb sees things the way he does and why holds his political beliefs. I really don't see how his attitude here is compatible with his philosophy. I mean, this isn't about him actively fighting against the practice, blogging about the horrors of circumcision, or even considering it a priority at all. He doesn't even have to care about it much. But his response now? Not even condeming the completely unnecessary infliction of a tremendous amount of pain, suffering and risk of complications on defenseless and completely innocent, non consenting human beings or viewing it as something negative, but instead responding to it with mockery? Verb, the most "if you don't hate something objectively bad you're a fucking asshole" person I've ever known is now being condescending and hostile towards people who condemn suffering and want to see it gone? The only possible explanations are that he's simply unaware, which I can't see being the case because this conversation has been had many times before, or that he actually is a little emotional and by lack of better word "butthurt" about this.
I thought you were inexorably concerned about the idea of something suffering. Is ability to remember it necessary? If pain is inherently bad why is memory necessary? Does this now exclude simple animals that don't have the ability to reflect on pain cognizantly? If hypothetically I were to harm someone but be able to erase their memory of it without issue is that now not a big deal?
Holy shit Verbatim just got murdered.
Quote from: challengerX on April 21, 2016, 05:38:18 PMHoly shit Verbatim just got murdered.No, not really at all.
Quote from: Verbatim on April 21, 2016, 05:52:25 PMQuote from: challengerX on April 21, 2016, 05:38:18 PMHoly shit Verbatim just got murdered.No, not really at all.Uh, you kinda did 2bh.