Olympia, WA — Over the weekend the largest felony civil disobedience rally ever held in American history took place. It is estimated that anywhere from 1,000 to 3,000 well armed gun owners showed up to the state capital in Olympia to openly violate the unconstitutional gun law, i594. The event’s organizer, who frequently appears on the Free Thought Project, Gavin Seim, made the extraordinary nature of the rally very clear,“This isn’t just a protest. We are here to openly violate the law.”On his website Seim explains the ominous nature of the legislation:"On Nov 4th 2014 a piece of legislation called i594 passed in Washington State (read text). It will make so much as handing a gun to a friend a felony. While this started here in Washington, it was funded by big out of State money and you are next."Seim goes on to emphasize the importance of this day of resistance:"This stand is about all of America. It’s about public officials deciding if they will keep their oath, or support tyranny. It’s about us deciding if we will stand or allow liberty to be lost.On Dec 13th we gather for the largest Felony civil disobedience rally in American history. Thousands are coming to stand at the capital in Olympia. This is not simply a protest. We will openly exchange, buy and sell and trade guns and start a plan to break apart this legislation and violate i594 in every possible way. Because ALL law that violates the Constitution is not law, it is VOID! We the people will not tolerate this law. We will not bow down and lick the boots of tyrants, we will stand for the liberty of our children? We’re not waiting for politicians, judges or lawyers. Our birthright is NOT to be touched. We gather and we will affirm that liberty."Original RSVP’s grew to over 6,000, so police decided that it would be in their best interests not to enforce the law. The Washington State Patrol announced there would be no arrests for exchanging guns – not even for selling guns.Like the professional liberty flexing guru that he is, Seim refused to even obtain a permit to hold the rally, citing the right of people to peaceably assemble.The sheer number of people that showed up, along with the attendance of lawmakers and even law enforcement, made this event hard to dismiss as a fringe group of people, “clinging to their guns.”Despite there being over a thousand loaded weapons, the protest went off without incident. Washington State Trooper Guy Gill predicted beforehand, “Most of these folks are responsible gun owners. We probably will not have an issue.”According to Townhall.com Another rally in Olympia is planned for January 15, and another one in Spokane on December 20. The Second Amendment Foundation, headquartered in Bellevue, intends to sue the state over I-594, and will be lobbying the legislature to get the law changed or repealed.We commend Gav Seim’s efforts to organize such an amazingly powerful and effective protest. This is how change is sought, and made.
It's about background checks for all sales. Why would anybody be against that?
We will not bow down and lick the boots of tyrants, we will stand for the liberty of our children?
Quote from: Lemy the Lizerd on December 21, 2014, 09:27:33 AMIt also fucks up private sales by making them a big hassle. How are you supposed to run a background check for a private sale?http://answers.usa.gov/system/templates/selfservice/USAGov/#!portal/1012/article/3350/Background-Checks
It also fucks up private sales by making them a big hassle. How are you supposed to run a background check for a private sale?
Quote from: Lemy the Lizerd on December 21, 2014, 09:35:57 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 21, 2014, 09:31:57 AMQuote from: Lemy the Lizerd on December 21, 2014, 09:27:33 AMIt also fucks up private sales by making them a big hassle. How are you supposed to run a background check for a private sale?http://answers.usa.gov/system/templates/selfservice/USAGov/#!portal/1012/article/3350/Background-Checkshttp://ballotpedia.org/Washington_Universal_Background_Checks_for_Gun_Purchases,_Initiative_594_%282014%29The measure was designed to require background checks to be run on every person purchasing a gun in the state of Washington, even those who do so via private sales. However, transfers of antique guns and those between immediate family members are exempt from the background checks. The measure also required that dealers who are facilitating gun transfers - whether they are through the licensed dealer or a private seller - receive confirmation in writing from the chief of police or sheriff that the purchaser in question "is eligible to possess a pistol [...] and that the application to purchase is approved by the chief of police or sheriff." Furthermore, the initiative rendered it illegal to hand off a firearm to people outside a person's immediate family, though exceptions were mentioned, including situations in which people are at a shooting range or hunting.[1][2]Ok. What's the problem? The exceptions take care of potential misunderstandings. Otherwise, people should not be handling your firearm. If your friend wants to shoot your gun, he/she can legally do so at a firing range. At the end of the day, all I see is people complaining background checks are now necessary for all sales, twisting the wording of the law to make it seem as if you hand your buddy your pistol for a second the secret police are going to take you both and torture you to death. More ignorance and fear mongering from the gun nuts. Shocking.
Quote from: challengerX on December 21, 2014, 09:31:57 AMQuote from: Lemy the Lizerd on December 21, 2014, 09:27:33 AMIt also fucks up private sales by making them a big hassle. How are you supposed to run a background check for a private sale?http://answers.usa.gov/system/templates/selfservice/USAGov/#!portal/1012/article/3350/Background-Checkshttp://ballotpedia.org/Washington_Universal_Background_Checks_for_Gun_Purchases,_Initiative_594_%282014%29The measure was designed to require background checks to be run on every person purchasing a gun in the state of Washington, even those who do so via private sales. However, transfers of antique guns and those between immediate family members are exempt from the background checks. The measure also required that dealers who are facilitating gun transfers - whether they are through the licensed dealer or a private seller - receive confirmation in writing from the chief of police or sheriff that the purchaser in question "is eligible to possess a pistol [...] and that the application to purchase is approved by the chief of police or sheriff." Furthermore, the initiative rendered it illegal to hand off a firearm to people outside a person's immediate family, though exceptions were mentioned, including situations in which people are at a shooting range or hunting.[1][2]
Quote from: Lemy the Lizerd on December 21, 2014, 09:44:22 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 21, 2014, 09:39:38 AMQuote from: Lemy the Lizerd on December 21, 2014, 09:35:57 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 21, 2014, 09:31:57 AMQuote from: Lemy the Lizerd on December 21, 2014, 09:27:33 AMIt also fucks up private sales by making them a big hassle. How are you supposed to run a background check for a private sale?http://answers.usa.gov/system/templates/selfservice/USAGov/#!portal/1012/article/3350/Background-Checkshttp://ballotpedia.org/Washington_Universal_Background_Checks_for_Gun_Purchases,_Initiative_594_%282014%29The measure was designed to require background checks to be run on every person purchasing a gun in the state of Washington, even those who do so via private sales. However, transfers of antique guns and those between immediate family members are exempt from the background checks. The measure also required that dealers who are facilitating gun transfers - whether they are through the licensed dealer or a private seller - receive confirmation in writing from the chief of police or sheriff that the purchaser in question "is eligible to possess a pistol [...] and that the application to purchase is approved by the chief of police or sheriff." Furthermore, the initiative rendered it illegal to hand off a firearm to people outside a person's immediate family, though exceptions were mentioned, including situations in which people are at a shooting range or hunting.[1][2]Ok. What's the problem? The exceptions take care of potential misunderstandings. Otherwise, people should not be handling your firearm. If your friend wants to shoot your gun, he/she can legally do so at a firing range. At the end of the day, all I see is people complaining background checks are now necessary for all sales, twisting the wording of the law to make it seem as if you hand your buddy your pistol for a second the secret police are going to take you both and torture you to death. More ignorance and fear mongering from the gun nuts. Shocking."hurrr muh gun nuts"Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know I had to be politically correct with you. QuoteWhat if I have a visitor in my home who would like to get a feel of the action of my new rifle, to see if he should get one himself? It is unloaded. Should this be a crime?No. I don't see how you'd get arrested for it either. Pigs aren't looking through your window, won't know if he's family or not, and would need a warrant to enter your home which they wouldn't get. There's also this awesome invention called "curtains". If I were you, I wouldn't tell people where I had my gun anyway. If they wanted to try it, I'd drive to a gun range and let him/her shoot it instead of holding it unloaded in my house. QuoteThis argument is pretty stupid coming from someone who claims not to like government interference.Background checks are extremely necessary. It's the good kind of government interference. Private sale or not, background checks need to be done. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/black-or-white
Quote from: challengerX on December 21, 2014, 09:39:38 AMQuote from: Lemy the Lizerd on December 21, 2014, 09:35:57 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 21, 2014, 09:31:57 AMQuote from: Lemy the Lizerd on December 21, 2014, 09:27:33 AMIt also fucks up private sales by making them a big hassle. How are you supposed to run a background check for a private sale?http://answers.usa.gov/system/templates/selfservice/USAGov/#!portal/1012/article/3350/Background-Checkshttp://ballotpedia.org/Washington_Universal_Background_Checks_for_Gun_Purchases,_Initiative_594_%282014%29The measure was designed to require background checks to be run on every person purchasing a gun in the state of Washington, even those who do so via private sales. However, transfers of antique guns and those between immediate family members are exempt from the background checks. The measure also required that dealers who are facilitating gun transfers - whether they are through the licensed dealer or a private seller - receive confirmation in writing from the chief of police or sheriff that the purchaser in question "is eligible to possess a pistol [...] and that the application to purchase is approved by the chief of police or sheriff." Furthermore, the initiative rendered it illegal to hand off a firearm to people outside a person's immediate family, though exceptions were mentioned, including situations in which people are at a shooting range or hunting.[1][2]Ok. What's the problem? The exceptions take care of potential misunderstandings. Otherwise, people should not be handling your firearm. If your friend wants to shoot your gun, he/she can legally do so at a firing range. At the end of the day, all I see is people complaining background checks are now necessary for all sales, twisting the wording of the law to make it seem as if you hand your buddy your pistol for a second the secret police are going to take you both and torture you to death. More ignorance and fear mongering from the gun nuts. Shocking."hurrr muh gun nuts"
What if I have a visitor in my home who would like to get a feel of the action of my new rifle, to see if he should get one himself? It is unloaded. Should this be a crime?
This argument is pretty stupid coming from someone who claims not to like government interference.
Quote from: Lemy the Lizerd on December 21, 2014, 09:55:36 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 21, 2014, 09:52:39 AMQuote from: Lemy the Lizerd on December 21, 2014, 09:44:22 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 21, 2014, 09:39:38 AMQuote from: Lemy the Lizerd on December 21, 2014, 09:35:57 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 21, 2014, 09:31:57 AMQuote from: Lemy the Lizerd on December 21, 2014, 09:27:33 AMIt also fucks up private sales by making them a big hassle. How are you supposed to run a background check for a private sale?http://answers.usa.gov/system/templates/selfservice/USAGov/#!portal/1012/article/3350/Background-Checkshttp://ballotpedia.org/Washington_Universal_Background_Checks_for_Gun_Purchases,_Initiative_594_%282014%29The measure was designed to require background checks to be run on every person purchasing a gun in the state of Washington, even those who do so via private sales. However, transfers of antique guns and those between immediate family members are exempt from the background checks. The measure also required that dealers who are facilitating gun transfers - whether they are through the licensed dealer or a private seller - receive confirmation in writing from the chief of police or sheriff that the purchaser in question "is eligible to possess a pistol [...] and that the application to purchase is approved by the chief of police or sheriff." Furthermore, the initiative rendered it illegal to hand off a firearm to people outside a person's immediate family, though exceptions were mentioned, including situations in which people are at a shooting range or hunting.[1][2]Ok. What's the problem? The exceptions take care of potential misunderstandings. Otherwise, people should not be handling your firearm. If your friend wants to shoot your gun, he/she can legally do so at a firing range. At the end of the day, all I see is people complaining background checks are now necessary for all sales, twisting the wording of the law to make it seem as if you hand your buddy your pistol for a second the secret police are going to take you both and torture you to death. More ignorance and fear mongering from the gun nuts. Shocking."hurrr muh gun nuts"Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know I had to be politically correct with you. QuoteWhat if I have a visitor in my home who would like to get a feel of the action of my new rifle, to see if he should get one himself? It is unloaded. Should this be a crime?No. I don't see how you'd get arrested for it either. Pigs aren't looking through your window, won't know if he's family or not, and would need a warrant to enter your home which they wouldn't get. There's also this awesome invention called "curtains". If I were you, I wouldn't tell people where I had my gun anyway. If they wanted to try it, I'd drive to a gun range and let him/her shoot it instead of holding it unloaded in my house. QuoteThis argument is pretty stupid coming from someone who claims not to like government interference.Background checks are extremely necessary. It's the good kind of government interference. Private sale or not, background checks need to be done. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/black-or-whiteSo instead of fixing a broken law, I'm supposed to commit a felony because nobody will ever know?Maybe you shouldn't be letting strangers handle your gun unless you're in a shooting range? And really, I doubt you're going to be arrested for letting somebody hold your gun for a minute because he wants to check it out not only that, you have the exceptions you can call back on, notably loaning it for hunting. What's the officer going to say? "I don't think that's true"? I just don't see how you think you're going to wind up in prison when nobody will find out and you have these exceptions in the law.
Quote from: challengerX on December 21, 2014, 09:52:39 AMQuote from: Lemy the Lizerd on December 21, 2014, 09:44:22 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 21, 2014, 09:39:38 AMQuote from: Lemy the Lizerd on December 21, 2014, 09:35:57 AMQuote from: challengerX on December 21, 2014, 09:31:57 AMQuote from: Lemy the Lizerd on December 21, 2014, 09:27:33 AMIt also fucks up private sales by making them a big hassle. How are you supposed to run a background check for a private sale?http://answers.usa.gov/system/templates/selfservice/USAGov/#!portal/1012/article/3350/Background-Checkshttp://ballotpedia.org/Washington_Universal_Background_Checks_for_Gun_Purchases,_Initiative_594_%282014%29The measure was designed to require background checks to be run on every person purchasing a gun in the state of Washington, even those who do so via private sales. However, transfers of antique guns and those between immediate family members are exempt from the background checks. The measure also required that dealers who are facilitating gun transfers - whether they are through the licensed dealer or a private seller - receive confirmation in writing from the chief of police or sheriff that the purchaser in question "is eligible to possess a pistol [...] and that the application to purchase is approved by the chief of police or sheriff." Furthermore, the initiative rendered it illegal to hand off a firearm to people outside a person's immediate family, though exceptions were mentioned, including situations in which people are at a shooting range or hunting.[1][2]Ok. What's the problem? The exceptions take care of potential misunderstandings. Otherwise, people should not be handling your firearm. If your friend wants to shoot your gun, he/she can legally do so at a firing range. At the end of the day, all I see is people complaining background checks are now necessary for all sales, twisting the wording of the law to make it seem as if you hand your buddy your pistol for a second the secret police are going to take you both and torture you to death. More ignorance and fear mongering from the gun nuts. Shocking."hurrr muh gun nuts"Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know I had to be politically correct with you. QuoteWhat if I have a visitor in my home who would like to get a feel of the action of my new rifle, to see if he should get one himself? It is unloaded. Should this be a crime?No. I don't see how you'd get arrested for it either. Pigs aren't looking through your window, won't know if he's family or not, and would need a warrant to enter your home which they wouldn't get. There's also this awesome invention called "curtains". If I were you, I wouldn't tell people where I had my gun anyway. If they wanted to try it, I'd drive to a gun range and let him/her shoot it instead of holding it unloaded in my house. QuoteThis argument is pretty stupid coming from someone who claims not to like government interference.Background checks are extremely necessary. It's the good kind of government interference. Private sale or not, background checks need to be done. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/black-or-whiteSo instead of fixing a broken law, I'm supposed to commit a felony because nobody will ever know?
So try and get it changed.
The biggest flaw with private gun sale checks
Quote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 21, 2014, 11:05:53 AMThe biggest flaw with private gun sale checks>using maymays in Serious
Quote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 21, 2014, 11:05:53 AMThe biggest flaw with private gun sale checksSo the fact that people who shouldn't have guns legally own guns isn't a problem because they might get one illegally?"Leave a broken system broken." -Kinder 2014
Quote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 21, 2014, 01:46:03 PMQuote from: challengerX on December 21, 2014, 11:34:14 AMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 21, 2014, 11:05:53 AMThe biggest flaw with private gun sale checksSo the fact that people who shouldn't have guns legally own guns isn't a problem because they might get one illegally?"Leave a broken system broken." -Kinder 2014Great job at word twistingBut it's exactly what you said.
Quote from: challengerX on December 21, 2014, 11:34:14 AMQuote from: Kinder der Mörder on December 21, 2014, 11:05:53 AMThe biggest flaw with private gun sale checksSo the fact that people who shouldn't have guns legally own guns isn't a problem because they might get one illegally?"Leave a broken system broken." -Kinder 2014Great job at word twisting
Largest Felony Civil Disobedience Rally in US History
