Piracy is not really a crime

 
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I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
We live in an age where food and shelter could easily be provided for everyone. Leave your politics out of it.


 
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Still a shitty thing to do.
i never cared what's considered a "crime" as much as i care about what's a bad or stupid thing to do
How is it a bad thing to do? This study proves otherwise.
you don't pay for thing

you don't get thing

simple

i don't care if it boosts sales in the long run by making the product more accessible or whatever bullshit justification there is

i'm sure if we broke every law in existence, there are specific circumstances that it might end up being good in the long term

but they're still not okay
bold words for someone who thinks food and shelter should be free
not really, considering those are necessities, whereas movies and games are just entertainment
So if you don't pay for a thing, you may or may not get a thing, depending on  whether or not Verbatim thinks you are entitled to it?
and you realize i could flip this around on you very easily, right

if you don't pay for a thing, you may or may not get a thing, depending on  whether or not solonoid thinks you're entitled to it

in other words, theft is okay, because challengerX and solonoid think it's okay


 
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I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
Still a shitty thing to do.
i never cared what's considered a "crime" as much as i care about what's a bad or stupid thing to do
How is it a bad thing to do? This study proves otherwise.
you don't pay for thing

you don't get thing

simple

i don't care if it boosts sales in the long run by making the product more accessible or whatever bullshit justification there is

i'm sure if we broke every law in existence, there are specific circumstances that it might end up being good in the long term

but they're still not okay
bold words for someone who thinks food and shelter should be free
not really, considering those are necessities, whereas movies and games are just entertainment
So if you don't pay for a thing, you may or may not get a thing, depending on  whether or not Verbatim thinks you are entitled to it?
and you realize i could flip this around on you very easily, right

if you don't pay for a thing, you may or may not get a thing, depending on  whether or not solonoid thinks you're entitled to it

in other words, theft is okay, because challengerX and solonoid think it's okay
I never said piracy is ok, it's just not this industry killer a lot of people are claiming it is.


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You are what you love, not who loves you.
We live in an age where food and shelter could easily be provided for everyone. Leave your politics out of it.
My politics aren't part of it.

Either its okay to get things without earning them or it isn't. I'm not saying one way or the other is right, merely that you must eschew a mentality which allows for the answer to be both. It's laden with hypocrisy.

An able bodied man who consciously chooses charity over employ as a solution to his indegence is the same as a thief. I, personally, have been a thief for much of my life, and my two cents is that whatever you can take was always for you anyway.

But one shouldn't preach from some moral high ground about earning what you get, then demand to be cared for. It's just asinine.


 
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There is literally nothing hypocritical or asinine about it.

You don't need video games, so you shouldn't get them for free.

You need food, so you should get it for free. Not complicated.


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I love you, son.
YouTube

Gotta love the desperate attempts by pirates to paint their activities as something positive that a video like this has to be made.
Last Edit: October 01, 2017, 04:28:35 AM by Fedorekd


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Just some bloke who wanted to be anyone but himself.
YouTube

Gotta love the desperate attempts by pirates to paint their activities as something positive that a video like this has to be made.
I felt that it belonged here for discussion value.


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There is literally nothing hypocritical or asinine about it.

You don't need video games, so you shouldn't get them for free.

You need food, so you should get it for free. Not complicated.

Self actualization is the apex of Mazlow's hierarchy of needs, though.


 
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There is literally nothing hypocritical or asinine about it.

You don't need video games, so you shouldn't get them for free.

You need food, so you should get it for free. Not complicated.
Self actualization is the apex of Mazlow's hierarchy of needs, though.
the idea behind the hierarchy of needs is that you can only achieve self-actualization once all the other needs have been fulfilled, starting with basic physiological needs (food clothing shelter) at the very bottom, not because they're the least important, but because they're the most important

but i'm sure you understand that, which makes your response confusing


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There is literally nothing hypocritical or asinine about it.

You don't need video games, so you shouldn't get them for free.

You need food, so you should get it for free. Not complicated.
Self actualization is the apex of Mazlow's hierarchy of needs, though.
the idea behind the hierarchy of needs is that you can only achieve self-actualization once all the other needs have been fulfilled, starting with basic physiological needs (food clothing shelter) at the very bottom, not because they're the least important, but because they're the most important

but i'm sure you understand that, which makes your response confusing

Yeah I'm pretty tired and just meant it to be smarmy. I concur that video games should not be free; I'm more concerned with the compensation of the creator than the payment of the user, if that makes sense at all.


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You are what you love, not who loves you.
There is literally nothing hypocritical or asinine about it.

You don't need video games, so you shouldn't get them for free.

You need food, so you should get it for free. Not complicated.
Self actualization is the apex of Mazlow's hierarchy of needs, though.
the idea behind the hierarchy of needs is that you can only achieve self-actualization once all the other needs have been fulfilled, starting with basic physiological needs (food clothing shelter) at the very bottom, not because they're the least important, but because they're the most important

but i'm sure you understand that, which makes your response confusing

Yeah I'm pretty tired and just meant it to be smarmy. I concur that video games should not be free; I'm more concerned with the compensation of the creator than the payment of the user, if that makes sense at all.
When it comes down to it though, the vast majority of pirates would sooner go without altogether than pay for what they're downloading.

So, from a material standpoint, the result nets zero.


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There is literally nothing hypocritical or asinine about it.

You don't need video games, so you shouldn't get them for free.

You need food, so you should get it for free. Not complicated.
Self actualization is the apex of Mazlow's hierarchy of needs, though.
the idea behind the hierarchy of needs is that you can only achieve self-actualization once all the other needs have been fulfilled, starting with basic physiological needs (food clothing shelter) at the very bottom, not because they're the least important, but because they're the most important

but i'm sure you understand that, which makes your response confusing

Yeah I'm pretty tired and just meant it to be smarmy. I concur that video games should not be free; I'm more concerned with the compensation of the creator than the payment of the user, if that makes sense at all.
When it comes down to it though, the vast majority of pirates would sooner go without altogether than pay for what they're downloading.

So, from a material standpoint, the result nets zero.

But is that because they already have the luxury of easy access to that free content? It's easy to say, "I only pirate what I wouldn't buy", but if you removed piracy as a means to get games, how many do you think would fall back to finding deals online, like CD keys, steam, Humble Bundle, etc.? Do you seriously think most would just give up gaming? How many do you think would outright just accept paying full price to continue their favorite hobby? Probably a large percentage.

Last Edit: October 02, 2017, 05:29:42 AM by Turkey


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You are what you love, not who loves you.
There is literally nothing hypocritical or asinine about it.

You don't need video games, so you shouldn't get them for free.

You need food, so you should get it for free. Not complicated.
Self actualization is the apex of Mazlow's hierarchy of needs, though.
the idea behind the hierarchy of needs is that you can only achieve self-actualization once all the other needs have been fulfilled, starting with basic physiological needs (food clothing shelter) at the very bottom, not because they're the least important, but because they're the most important

but i'm sure you understand that, which makes your response confusing

Yeah I'm pretty tired and just meant it to be smarmy. I concur that video games should not be free; I'm more concerned with the compensation of the creator than the payment of the user, if that makes sense at all.
When it comes down to it though, the vast majority of pirates would sooner go without altogether than pay for what they're downloading.

So, from a material standpoint, the result nets zero.

But is that because they already have the luxury of easy access to that free content? It's easy to say, "I only pirate what I wouldn't buy", but if you removed piracy as a means to get games, how many do you think would fall back to finding deals online, like CD keys, steam, Humble Bundle, etc.? How many do you think would outright just accept paying full price to continue their favorite hobby? Probably a large percentage.
I don't know about that.
The torrenting community is strange, to say the least.

There's almost something lackadaisical to their consumption of media. It's a lot like shopping at the dollar store. Like, "I'm here for whatever's getting seeded today, mainly because I'm bored."

At the end of the day there's an ocean of content that's free by design, and pirates would probably just turn there.

A large number never actually money to spend anyway, so they're not buying anything.

I'm not saying piracy is positive, but it's often altogether benign.


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I'm not saying piracy is positive, but it's often altogether benign.

Not to ignore the rest of your post, but this is probably the most honest way to describe piracy that I've seen. I know that when I pirated, I would start for one specific thing, then follow up with a bunch of stuff that happened to be available, so I can see that being the case for others.


 
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What's your damage, Heather?
Why defend piracy

who cares about being a good person


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Tangent, but what is the practical difference between recording something on DVR or even old-school VHS, and piracy? Is it because the show is readily available on some medium that you already have access to, such as cable or public channels? In that case, would that mean I have a right via fair use to pirate any show or movie that I'd have access to on whatever channels I subscribe to, like cable or HBO? Maybe someone would argue that it's the scale that is important, but one act of file sharing is as illegal as 1,000.


 
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Tangent, but what is the practical difference between recording something on DVR or even old-school VHS, and piracy? Is it because the show is readily available on some medium that you already have access to, such as cable or public channels? In that case, would that mean I have a right via fair use to pirate any show or movie that I'd have access to on whatever channels I subscribe to, like cable or HBO? Maybe someone would argue that it's the scale that is important, but one act of file sharing is as illegal as 1,000.
DVR/VHS recordings are for personal use; it only becomes piracy when you start distributing it to others.
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Tangent, but what is the practical difference between recording something on DVR or even old-school VHS, and piracy? Is it because the show is readily available on some medium that you already have access to, such as cable or public channels? In that case, would that mean I have a right via fair use to pirate any show or movie that I'd have access to on whatever channels I subscribe to, like cable or HBO? Maybe someone would argue that it's the scale that is important, but one act of file sharing is as illegal as 1,000.
DVR/VHS recordings are for personal use; it only becomes an issue when you start distributing it to others.

This goes back to many pirates' legal defense that downloading is fine, and the real issue is uploading. Ignoring the fact that leeching typically requires seeding, if a person downloads a movie but never distributes it, has he/she done anything wrong, and how is that different from a DVR?

Mostly asking your opinion, since I don't expect you to research the legal explanation of it.
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Tangent, but what is the practical difference between recording something on DVR or even old-school VHS, and piracy? Is it because the show is readily available on some medium that you already have access to, such as cable or public channels? In that case, would that mean I have a right via fair use to pirate any show or movie that I'd have access to on whatever channels I subscribe to, like cable or HBO? Maybe someone would argue that it's the scale that is important, but one act of file sharing is as illegal as 1,000.
DVR/VHS recordings are for personal use; it only becomes an issue when you start distributing it to others.
This goes back to many pirates' legal defense that downloading is fine, and the real issue is uploading. Ignoring the fact that leeching typically requires seeding, if a person downloads a movie but never distributes it, has that he/she done anything wrong, and how is that different from a DVR?

Mostly asking your opinion, since I don't expect you to research the legal explanation of it.
Personally, I don't really see any legal or moral issues with downloading shit for personal use, so long as you've already paid for the original copy (first and foremost), and you do not plan on distributing it to anyone else.

Pirates do neither.


 
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Ignoring the fact that leeching typically requires seeding

just one small thing. one of the biggest distributors of pirated content right now uses direct downloads because (for people who aren't using private trackers or VPNs) it doesn't allow corporations to snoop on who is and isn't down loading something.