Quote from: RocketRudolph287 on December 08, 2014, 01:39:01 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on December 08, 2014, 10:20:14 AM

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At what point do these things stop being isolated, unrelated incidents of idiocy and start becoming a problem with the religion?

When people stop reading the bible and simply buy into what any Preacher says. I think I've made it abundantly clear what Christianity is truly about: loving people and loving God.

But the Bible clearly states that being gay isn't cool.

How many Pastors have lusted after a woman in their life? Lied?
We all sin. So we all aren't cool in that area.

But we can have redemption for free.

Quite ironic, considering the Christian stance on suicide.

Quote from: Meta Cognition on December 08, 2014, 01:41:11 PM

Quote from: RocketRudolph287 on December 08, 2014, 01:39:01 PM

I think I've made it abundantly clear what Christianity is truly about: loving people and loving God.

Your scripture would indicate otherwise.

Don't even try that, you read my thread detailing my beliefs. They aren't something I made up, they are straight from Jesus' Greatest commandment. A "greatest Commandment" trumps all others.

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Matthew 22:36-40
Jesus replied: β€œ'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

I'd be interested to know what the biblical definition of neighbour is.

Although, I feel compelled to say that wise teachings is not an inference of divinity. So, y'know, you can love people without the contradictory scripture and shaky metaphysics.

> popular opinion
> popular opinion

Quote from: Mad Max on December 08, 2014, 01:48:28 PM

Quote from: RocketRudolph287 on December 08, 2014, 01:47:00 PM

We all sin.

There's a difference between sinful acts which you have control over, and being gay. You don't choose to be gay. If God created someone that way, and being gay is sinful, that's a pretty shitty thing for him to do.

Popular opinion is obviously in favor of it not being a choice.
Just quoting the bible bro.

It's not just popular opinion. Science and research also indicate that it isn't a choice.

If that's the case, and God created people with the intention of some being gay, it's pretty fucked up that being gay is a sin.

This is Jesus we're talking about, He IS the authority. God Himself, so in referring to the Bible you are wrong.

I'm not denying Jesus is the authority of the New Testament. I'm just saying, by virtue of having Jesus as the authority, the New Testament isn't a book of real authority. It just isn't. None of the moral teachings of the Bible require religious devotion to fulfill, and most people rather succinctly ignore the immoral or questionable ones.

But, like I say, there's no evidence for the divinity of Jesus apart from the New Testament - which isn't especially reliable. So I'm inclined to split the difference and say the entire thing is largely irrelevant nowadays.

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Quote from: RocketRudolph287 on December 08, 2014, 01:50:47 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on December 08, 2014, 01:48:28 PM

Quote from: RocketRudolph287 on December 08, 2014, 01:47:00 PM

We all sin.

There's a difference between sinful acts which you have control over, and being gay. You don't choose to be gay. If God created someone that way, and being gay is sinful, that's a pretty shitty thing for him to do.

Popular opinion is obviously in favor of it not being a choice.
Just quoting the bible bro.

It's not just popular opinion. Science and research also indicate that it isn't a choice.

If that's the case, and God created people with the intention of some being gay, it's pretty fucked up that being gay is a sin.

I do believe it is a choice.

Why do you insist on ignoring science and research on the subject that indicates otherwise?

If it's biological, and in no way a choice, would you feel differently about God's choice to create gay people as sinners?

> popular opinion
> popular opinion

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A gay person wanting to be accepted into a religion is like a black guy wanting to join the KKK.

So a gay person cannot believe in God?

No more than a black person can believe in white supremacy.

But there are plenty of hetero Christians that don't believe there's anything wrong with being gay and still are Christian. Can gays not believe the same?

it's well known that many religious people interpret their particular holy book in ways that conform to their pre-conceived values. taken at face value the bible literally says that homosexuality is a sin and an affront to god.

But wouldn't that mean that anyone, gay, straight, or otherwise, could not be a Christian if they were accepting of gays?

I'm not sure, been a while since I've cracked my bible open. Is there any scripture that says tolerating gays is a sin? If not that would imply that it's OK to tolerate them but that they'll got to hell if they keep porking others of the same sex.

You don't go to Hell for "being gay". You go to Hell because of sin.
Performing homosexual acts is seen as sin. So, performing the acts.

Do we all have sinful desires? Heck yes we do. We're all sinners. The only reason people get to heaven is because of Christ's forgiveness, not because we did the right thing enough.

There will be many people who were Gay, in Heaven. There will be many people who were drunkards, abusers, anything under the sun. Why? because they repented. Nobody is beyond forgiveness.

Have you been to heaven? Have you met anyone from there? How do you know this? Sure, some might say that's the case, but how do you know it to be true?

How many people have been gay then later became straight?

I'd venture close enough to zero.

And no, people aren't hard-wired to be attracted to one sex. What the fuck do you think asexualism and bisexualism are?

Quote from: RocketRudolph287 on December 08, 2014, 02:07:40 PM

How many people have been gay then later became straight?

I'd venture close enough to zero.

Are you for real? you don't know a single person who has changed their sexual preference?
That's highly unlikely. I've seen it many times throughout High School.

Quote from: Mad Max on December 08, 2014, 01:58:21 PM

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Quote from: RocketRudolph287 on December 08, 2014, 01:50:47 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on December 08, 2014, 01:48:28 PM

Quote from: RocketRudolph287 on December 08, 2014, 01:47:00 PM

We all sin.

There's a difference between sinful acts which you have control over, and being gay. You don't choose to be gay. If God created someone that way, and being gay is sinful, that's a pretty shitty thing for him to do.

Popular opinion is obviously in favor of it not being a choice.
Just quoting the bible bro.

It's not just popular opinion. Science and research also indicate that it isn't a choice.

If that's the case, and God created people with the intention of some being gay, it's pretty fucked up that being gay is a sin.

I do believe it is a choice.

Why do you insist on ignoring science and research on the subject that indicates otherwise?

If it's biological, and in no way a choice, would you feel differently about God's choice to create gay people as sinners?

How many people have been gay then later became straight?

You mean aside from those who were forced into being "straight" by their friends, family, community, or conversion "therapy" group? Probably none. If you have the ability to choose to be straight or gay, you're probably bisexual, or somewhere in between all of that.

If people are hard-wired to be attracted to one gender, why do people flip-flop on that?

You're not hard-wired to be attracted to ONE gender, but your sexual orientation IS hard-wired. Sexual orientation is a continuum; it's fluid. Some people are 100% straight. Some are 83%. Some are 5%. Some are 0%.

That's highly unlikely. I've seen it many times throughout High School.

You mean that confusing time of physiological change and sexual experimentation? And you don't try to control for any variation?

People don't just switch sexuality. If "curing the gays" worked, science would be able to verify it and lay out a single method that actually worked. It's not surprising that the methods used by such abominable practitioners are largely religious and divergent.

Quote from: RocketRudolph287 on December 08, 2014, 02:16:05 PM

Opinions, bro. You aren't the only one who has them.

How fortunate, then, that mine is the one which is correct.

Humble yourself