Pro Israel =/= Pro Jew.

Also, the Jews have heard similar rhetoric to Trump's before.

also, many of his children (including the one mentioned by Door) are married to Jews, so please take that into consideration

Anyway, on the campaign, Trump delivered a major speech for AIPAC, meanwhile in alt-right circles this image circulated pretty much the entire campaign, and let's not forget that Bibi is good friends with Trump:


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3807203/Benjamin-Netanyahu-s-talk-Hillary-Clinton-lasted-HALF-long-visit-Donald-Trump.html

The only way you could say Trump is against Jewish interests is if you interpret his Florida speech in a particular way.

You're missing the point. Having been on the receiving end of such rhetoric, more than once, Jews are kinda sensitive to the whole ethnic cleansing direction. It's kinda a trigger. There are still living people who know first hand what happens when this door is open. Just because they aren't on the receiving end this particular time means they're cool with it.

I'm not going to mollycoddle them just because they're paranoid, if they see hitler in a man who's in bed with them on several levels, then that's their neurosis.

All according to plan. The Zionists want to befriend western (read: Americanized) Muslims who are so far removed from the goings-on of the Middle East while still agitating and provoking Islamic aggression towards Israel from its neighbors. This will eventually create a wave of pro-Israel Muslim populations in the west.

Quote from: Azendac on November 16, 2016, 02:12:13 AM

Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on November 16, 2016, 12:52:24 AM

You're missing the point. Having been on the receiving end of such rhetoric, more than once, Jews are kinda sensitive to the whole ethnic cleansing direction. It's kinda a trigger. There are still living people who know first hand what happens when this door is open. Just because they aren't on the receiving end this particular time means they're cool with it.

I'm not going to mollycoddle them just because they're paranoid, if they see hitler in a man who's in bed with them on several levels, then that's their neurosis.

If there's any group of people that earned the right to be paranoid, it's the Jews

The is bordering on Judeo-Christian wanking over "the apple of god's eye"

Quote from: Azendac on November 16, 2016, 07:22:38 PM

Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on November 16, 2016, 06:55:39 PM

Quote from: Azendac on November 16, 2016, 02:12:13 AM

Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on November 16, 2016, 12:52:24 AM

You're missing the point. Having been on the receiving end of such rhetoric, more than once, Jews are kinda sensitive to the whole ethnic cleansing direction. It's kinda a trigger. There are still living people who know first hand what happens when this door is open. Just because they aren't on the receiving end this particular time means they're cool with it.

I'm not going to mollycoddle them just because they're paranoid, if they see hitler in a man who's in bed with them on several levels, then that's their neurosis.

If there's any group of people that earned the right to be paranoid, it's the Jews

The is bordering on Judeo-Christian wanking over "the apple of god's eye"

I would think modern history is still being taught. But maybe I am incorrect in this assumption. You see, a man a fee decades ago blamed all his country's problems on the Jews. He said they were a drain on society, taking jobs and money from "honest" workers, and that they were a threat. Things didn't end well for them.

Not everyone solely acts in their own personal best interests.

Funnily enough, the high school I went to only taught us about "the crusades were bad and you should feel bad, apartheid was bad and you should feel bad, slavery was bad and you should feel bad, colonialism was bad and you should feel bad". We got everything in the white guilt starter pack except for the shoa, but my younger brother who's attending the other high school right now just had an exam on ww2 and the current syrian conflict. So i've never felt compelled to cater to paranoia even if it's coming from one of god's chosen.

Perhaps you should be the one to explain to me why I should set aside all standards of discourse whenever something superficially reminds someone of something?

You realize that you are comparing being taught white guilt and an actual genocide. I just want to be clear about this. In your mind 6,000,000 deaths are exactly the same as you being told grandpa did some bad shit and you should feel guilty for it.

No, I'm comparing being told to feel guilty about something my family/ancestors never participated in, to being told to ignore all evidence, because a group of people are being paranoid about something my family never participated in. I come from a long line of bumfuck poor Irishmen (my grandfather actually compared living in poverty in Belfast to being like a Jew in Germany), and since we weren't involved in the IRA or either war, we've never done anything to feel guilty over.

So tell me, why should I ditch the facts I presented earlier?

You guys still pulling the Hitler meme? You realise this Godwin's Law shit isn't sticking with Trump and his supporters, like at all.

can we stop pretending "godwin's law" is even a real thing

because it's not

Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on November 16, 2016, 08:08:28 PM

You realize that you are comparing being taught white guilt and an actual genocide. I just want to be clear about this. In your mind 6,000,000 deaths are exactly the same as you being told grandpa did some bad shit and you should feel guilty for it.

No, I'm comparing being told to feel guilty about something my family/ancestors never participated in, to being told to ignore all evidence, because a group of people are being paranoid about something my family never participated in. I come from a long line of bumfuck poor Irishmen (my grandfather actually compared living in poverty in Belfast to being like a Jew in Germany), and since we weren't involved in the IRA or either war, we've never done anything to feel guilty over.

So tell me, why should I ditch the facts I presented earlier?

I'm not telling you to feel guilty about anything. I am saying that Trump did use language that was similar to Hitler's. I am saying that when ANYONE uses racially incendiary language in a populist movement, everyone should take note and caution. History tends to repeat itself when people don't take note of the lessons.

Quote from: Azendac on November 16, 2016, 08:16:10 PM

Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on November 16, 2016, 08:08:28 PM

You realize that you are comparing being taught white guilt and an actual genocide. I just want to be clear about this. In your mind 6,000,000 deaths are exactly the same as you being told grandpa did some bad shit and you should feel guilty for it.

No, I'm comparing being told to feel guilty about something my family/ancestors never participated in, to being told to ignore all evidence, because a group of people are being paranoid about something my family never participated in. I come from a long line of bumfuck poor Irishmen (my grandfather actually compared living in poverty in Belfast to being like a Jew in Germany), and since we weren't involved in the IRA or either war, we've never done anything to feel guilty over.

So tell me, why should I ditch the facts I presented earlier?

I'm not telling you to feel guilty about anything. I am saying that Trump did use language that was similar to Hitler's. I am saying that when ANYONE uses racially incendiary language in a populist movement, everyone should take note and caution. History tends to repeat itself when people don't take note of the lessons.

I'll give you that anyone promising to solve your problems with a simple solution should be held to a high level of scrutiny, but Hitler comparisons are a dead horse. Nothing devalues an idea more than crying wolf about it, just look at how impotent Christianity has become in the modern world.

Quote from: Azendac on November 16, 2016, 08:54:36 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on November 16, 2016, 08:26:40 PM

Quote from: Mordo on November 16, 2016, 08:16:17 PM

You guys still pulling the Hitler meme? You realise this Godwin's Law shit isn't sticking with Trump and his supporters, like at all.

can we stop pretending "godwin's law" is even a real thing

because it's not

Google seems to think it's relevant:

is that how you gauge the relevance of something

you google it

No that's me making a funny.

Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on November 16, 2016, 08:55:38 PM

Quote from: Azendac on November 16, 2016, 08:16:10 PM

Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on November 16, 2016, 08:08:28 PM

You realize that you are comparing being taught white guilt and an actual genocide. I just want to be clear about this. In your mind 6,000,000 deaths are exactly the same as you being told grandpa did some bad shit and you should feel guilty for it.

No, I'm comparing being told to feel guilty about something my family/ancestors never participated in, to being told to ignore all evidence, because a group of people are being paranoid about something my family never participated in. I come from a long line of bumfuck poor Irishmen (my grandfather actually compared living in poverty in Belfast to being like a Jew in Germany), and since we weren't involved in the IRA or either war, we've never done anything to feel guilty over.

So tell me, why should I ditch the facts I presented earlier?

I'm not telling you to feel guilty about anything. I am saying that Trump did use language that was similar to Hitler's. I am saying that when ANYONE uses racially incendiary language in a populist movement, everyone should take note and caution. History tends to repeat itself when people don't take note of the lessons.

I'll give you that anyone promising to solve your problems with a simple solution should be held to a high level of scrutiny, but Hitler comparisons are a dead horse. Nothing devalues an idea more than crying wolf about it, just look at how impotent Christianity has become in the modern world.

And?

Trump ran his campaign based in populism. He demonized Muslims and Mexicans, while promising to re empower the working class in white areas.

His message was received this way by nearly every white supremacist group. That's why they all endorsed him. Am I saying he is Hitler?

No.

Am I saying that his behavior thus far is reason for one of the few groups in human history to be on the receiving end of a genocide to be concerned? Absolutely